Exclusive Joe Cronin presser

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Whether some in here agree with this or not, Dame is our MJ. He's family. It's different. He's like Elway in Denver. He's a part of our community. It's so much deeper for many of us than the average athlete that comes through. That's why this Draft , though being graded as great, has many around town in a melancholy state.

I went through the Elway late years in Denver. I remember after the 1996 season Jacksonville loss in the playoffs , the feeling that it's over. Columnist said as much. Talk of trading Elway was in the newspapers. But the GM added pieces to the puzzle and Elway led the Broncos to Back to Back titles.


It's what i want to happen here. But I'm hoping Dame is still all in, and understands a deal wasn't there to be made right now. You can't force a team to trade a player . Brooklyn said no from the reports out there.


But adding more talent isn't a bad thing. There are some really good players out there that could further the development of this team now. Without breaking the bank. I'm trying to stay positive. But those who are 100% excited and in a great mood for what happened need to take a break on the rhetoric. Show a little heart , please.

Uhhh. That's the "Joe has more work to do".

I'm just ecstatic that we didn't fuck up the 5 years after Dame leaves. There's risk, but mortgaging the future for a risk bigger than needed based on value of assets outgoing... That would have been stupid. Dame is our franchise guy, but he's not our franchise guy forever and that has to be taken into account with all the other possibilities and contingencies. I want Dame and the blazers to win so bad. Dame has earned it. MORE THAN earned it. But the timing of everything (thanks Olshey) really fucked us. I'm not speaking for everyone but that's how I feel.
 
Dame has said numerous times that when players jump for championships to other teams there is no guarantee it works out and you may give end up in a not so good situation for the end of your career.
I believe Dame believes Joe ,when he say's we want Dame to retire a Blazer and we have ways to make it work.
Dame Im sure appreciates the stats he has here as much as anything along with the recent contract he signed.
I don't expect Dame to request out this next year I think he just wants a few more older vets that can help out....
 
I think Dame knows he can be the aging vet on a talented team of youth and get it done.

Anything is possible when you put a competitive team out there. Look at the Heat. They went further than they should have this year. Things have to fall into place. Injuries happen. Chemistry happens. Often, the obvious team isn’t the winner. So, I think as long as we add a key big or two, Dame would give this team a chance.

Scoot is a rookie, but he adds a dynamic this team has lacked. Same with Sharpe. They’re so athletic and explosive. Scoot is a competitor.

I am so bored with the team I lost interest. Predictable. Redundant A dude like Scoot is gonna grind, IMO (not that I know shit). If he can earn his time on the court, he will change the dynamic of the team. Like Sharpe does. Make it more versatile. When one style isn’t firing on all cylinders, the other will. That’s why I bring up the redundancy in our player styles. That’s why CJ and Dame failed (yeah, they’re different but more alike than people acknowledge). Scoot’s gonna fuck up and learn, but he’s gonna work hard and the team can gel together. That’s gonna bring Dame a ‘ship faster than jumping every year or two chasing a ring.

But if Cronin doesn’t bring in a high-quality big or two now or early into the year, then he should trade Dame, get the assets, and let’s move on into a rebuild.

something like that.
 
Dame is in Paris, I think with Grant, for fashion week. His pics are on gq.com
 
Cronin basically said Scoot is better then any deal he tried to wrangle up.

Scoot is a young rookie who has never played in the NBA, and Cronin made absolutely no moves, trades, anything. So this statement is full of more holes then a cattle crossing sign in Pendleton.

this presser was after a desperate failed attempt to get Dame's best friend Mikal Bridges on the team by trading Scoot & Ant to the Nets. Why on Earth would Brooklyn shut down that offer ??

I think Lillard is packing his gear. I'll definitely be rooting for Dame wherever he winds up.
 
If Scoot is as great of a prospect as everyone (including me) says he is, then Cronin shouldve be able to use that as leverage for a bidding war.
Yeah I have no idea what Joe's process is I just know that the results have been a youth rebuild when he keeps saying the goal is contending with Dame (Jerami being the one exception). I don't know if it's that he isn't aggressive enough (that would make sense given what he shows us in public), I don't know if his searches for deals lack breadth and he just gets fixated on a few targets, I don't know if the guy has a bad reputation because he took a bad deal way too early before the trade deadline in his first move as GM... I just don't know. I do know that he is either full of shit or shitty at getting to where he wants to go.
 
We’ve already seen Sharpe put up near 25 ppg for an extended period of time against teams fighting for playoff spots, and Scoot is a consensus generational talent by the account of most scouts that spend way more time watching film and following players than we do. You making a statement that they will never be as good as Dame when they are only 19 is ridiculous. In what way will they never be is good… scoring? I could care less about how many ppg a single player puts up. I want team players that wins… and the reality is, Dame has never won anything… and to act like he had no part in wasting his prime by trying to make him and CJ work for so long is naïve. CJ was the biggest asset we had to build a balanced roster and we waited til it was too late to trade him. That was Dames best friend and he was adamant year after year they could make it work. Now the reality is Dame is 33, making over 50 mil per year on average over the next 4 years. The reality is, there is no roster you can put together when you factor in salary and the fact that players need time to gel, and the fact that it will be harder for Dame to stay healthy from 33-36 years old, and the fact that the west is loaded right now. No way to build a team with chance at title. And just because you somehow already know Sharpe or Scoot won’t be as good as Dame individually doesn’t mean they won’t be better as a team. I’d rather spend the next 10 years with odds they can be better as a team, and will eventually give us a true contender. Even if we disagree, there is no way you should be so negative with the pieces we have acquired the last 2 drafts.
Listen man, I wish I shared your optimism about a rebuild. You said I wasnt being logical, but I am not the enemy. I'll try to explain my thinking:

I love who we've acquired the last two drafts as prospects. I watch a decent amount of film for a fan. It's not about Scoot not being a great prospect. I wouldn't bet on nearly anyone to likely be as good as Dame became (Wemby is the only guy I would out of recent drafts).

We saw Josh Hart average an efficient 20/7/4 for a tanking Portland team. Can't read too much into tank ball (although I thought Sharpe improved a TON over the season).

Dame has never won anything - Hence why I want to truly give him a chance because the rebuild route, even if it goes well, is likely to put us in the same position as we're in now, and that's if Scoot and Sharpe want to be here as bad as Dame does. I hate never taking a swing for Dame and this was, in my opinion, our last chance. I think giving Dame a star and improving the bench could give this team a chance. You disagree. That's fine.

I don't think the West is loaded, I think the league has more parity than ever. Who's to say the West won't be harder down the line?
 
Yeah I have no idea what Joe's process is I just know that the results have been a youth rebuild when he keeps saying the goal is contending with Dame (Jerami being the one exception). I don't know if it's that he isn't aggressive enough (that would make sense given what he shows us in public), I don't know if his searches for deals lack breadth and he just gets fixated on a few targets, I don't know if the guy has a bad reputation because he took a bad deal way too early before the trade deadline in his first move as GM... I just don't know. I do know that he is either full of shit or shitty at getting to where he wants to go.
Yup. Either scenario is bad and frustrating.
 
Cronin basically said Scoot is better then any deal he tried to wrangle up.

Scoot is a young rookie who has never played in the NBA, and Cronin made absolutely no moves, trades, anything. So this statement is full of more holes then a cattle crossing sign in Pendleton.

this presser was after a desperate failed attempt to get Dame's best friend Mikal Bridges on the team by trading Scoot & Ant to the Nets. Why on Earth would Brooklyn shut down that offer ??

I think Lillard is packing his gear. I'll definitely be rooting for Dame wherever he winds up.
And he's a 6'2 PG. Listening to Cronin double back on his comments about youth and size that he made in his exit interview was cringeworthy to me.
 
The Blazers did try to get a star next to Dame and would've traded the pick for Brown, Bridges, Zion, maybe even Siakam. When none of them were available what should Joe have done?

I understand the frustration with Olshey and the prior cost cutting stupid Cronin moves such as the Clippers trade. That's a large part of where the Blazers are today. But the decision to draft the BPA in Scoot was a great decision. It along with Sharpe might be the best decisions the Blazers have made the last decade.

Yeah it sucks we can't contend now with Lillard but that's just the reality we are at. We didn't get in this position in one move, we can't dig out of it in one move either.

Enjoy watching your coverage and streams. I hope y'all come around to look at the bright sides too, and yes still acknowledge the bad moves or faults at the same time.
Are you sure none of them are available?

In my opinion, negotiating trades in your favor is a skill. So at some point, never having the right trade available starts to look bad for a GM. But inactivity can always be excused with "there was nothing good on the table, so nothing they could do".

We need a GM who can execute a good win-now move if we want to keep Dame. Cronin has showed me nothing to think he's that guy.
 
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Yeah I have no idea what Joe's process is I just know that the results have been a youth rebuild when he keeps saying the goal is contending with Dame (Jerami being the one exception). I don't know if it's that he isn't aggressive enough (that would make sense given what he shows us in public), I don't know if his searches for deals lack breadth and he just gets fixated on a few targets, I don't know if the guy has a bad reputation because he took a bad deal way too early before the trade deadline in his first move as GM... I just don't know. I do know that he is either full of shit or shitty at getting to where he wants to go.

Seriously, let's just take a step back. You claim he has a bad reputation, which I assume is based on fans in a team forum. It's not coming from anyone with a qualified opinion who understands the complexity of the job, unless I've missed something. I would truly be interested.

Every qualified analyst I have heard speak on the issue has confirmed that it was not only the only choice, but was the right choice to keep the pick and draft Scoot. We can agree on this, right?

In terms of his public statements, much like Dame's, they are very measured and what he has to say. For instance, you saw Dunleavy's comments about being excited for Poole's extension and him being on the team for however many years, which came 4 days before they traded him? You also saw how things were handled in Boston with Marcus Smart? Yeah, now that one was pretty shitty. Running a business is really hard, and a public business like this where you deal with crazed fans with emotional attachment to players on a basketball team...I could not imagine the challenges.

Give the guy a break. Let him do his thing.
 
Are there any web developers in here? Car restorers? Have you ever had a client come to you, and ask you to work on their website, and it's after another developer had already started the site? Worst possible situation. Trying to fix the work of another is so much harder than starting over and building yourself. Same applies to a car that has been previously restored, and they did a shit job. You don't want it.

Welcome to the world of Joe Cronin.
 
this presser was after a desperate failed attempt to get Dame's best friend Mikal Bridges on the team by trading Scoot & Ant to the Nets. Why on Earth would Brooklyn shut down that offer ??

I think Lillard is packing his gear. I'll definitely be rooting for Dame wherever he winds up.

Why on earth would BKN shut down that offer? Maybe because they value size, length, and Defense??
 
Why on earth would BKN shut down that offer? Maybe because they value size, length, and Defense??

Cause there is no truth to it.

FYI...NBA Central is a Twitter account run by a person no different than the voices you read in here. "Not affiliated with the National Basketball Association"

Sorry, they actually quote a blog run by a guy who is "A lifetime fan of sports, he’s witnessed countless great moments in different sports and understands that stories can be compelling from both the perspective of winners and losers."
 
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Why on earth would BKN shut down that offer? Maybe because they value size, length, and Defense??
Portland had 2 more draft picks, they could have used 1 of those to draft anyone the Nets wanted. Walker, Watford, S&T Eubanks. The Blazers have more assets. They used none of them. What happened to unlocking future 1sts and building a super duper team?
 
Let me take the other side of the defensive thing because it kind of dovetails into something else that's been percolating in my brain.

One of the reasons Dame should like playing with Scoot is because Dame won't be stuck defending the other team's best guard so much.

As challenged as Dame is as an on-ball defender, Ant is 10 times more (or more) challenged. You don't run into that with Scoot. Scoot will not be physically overpowered or outquicked by almost any guard out there. He can take that big defensive assignment that would tax Dame or reduce us to trading baskets. And Dame already is a very good post defender at his size; what we need is a guard who can keep the other team's primary ballhandler from getting two feet in the paint and forcing the rest of our defense to help and scramble. I think having Scoot out there with Dame instead of Dame and Ant already improves us in the single biggest defensive shortcoming we have.

Scoot is 6-2, but he plays a very, very big 6-2.

The other thing that Scoot's right about where he and Dame can be a good tandem is that Scoot is one of those ballhandlers that are very hard to keep out of the paint. He's a very natural passer. Can you imagine you much it will save Dame's legs for late in the game or late in the season having someone else be able to effectively initiate offense even against good defenders or multiple defenders for stretches? Can you imagine how many more open 3s Dame might be getting because the defense had to help and pack the paint against a strong driver? And that strong driver also has a good eye for drawing defense and dishing or pitching?

That's what Scoot can do that Ant doesn't. Ant's a much bigger 3-point threat, but he doesn't attack the rim, and, when he does, he's not doing it creating an even better shot than he himself would get, not very often, at least, not as often as I expect Scoot to do.
He was overpowered by bigger two guards in the low post regularly in the G-League.
 
Portland had 2 more draft picks, they could have used 1 of those to draft anyone the Nets wanted. Walker, Watford, S&T Eubanks. The Blazers have more assets. They used none of them. What happened to unlocking future 1sts and building a super duper team?

They actually did use the picks to build our super duper team.
 
Are there any web developers in here? Car restorers? Have you ever had a client come to you, and ask you to work on their website, and it's after another developer had already started the site? Worst possible situation. Trying to fix the work of another is so much harder than starting over and building yourself. Same applies to a car that has been previously restored, and they did a shit job. You don't want it.

Welcome to the world of Joe Cronin.
Literally every player on the roster Cronin has given a contract to. The top two assets (#7/Sharpe and #3/Scoot) Cronin got on his own.
 
Literally every player on the roster Cronin has given a contract to. The top two assets (#7/Sharpe and #3/Scoot) Cronin got on his own.

What do you mean? Because he was working under previous GM's? Do you feel this is the same as running the team and building it the way you want? Granted, I like the guy a lot, and really like the direction he's taking the team. Fan bias, no doubt
 
Really happy with the draft. To me it was a no brainer draft and an A...I'd bet Dame feels the same. It's the free agency and trade market now that is interessting...Joe said he's planted some seeds moving forward now that the draft is over. He knows he needs to get at least two vets Dame really likes and probably a backup center. I grew up an Iowa Hawkeyes fan and wanted Keegan last draft but really happy with Kris this draft
 
I think we have some assets to actually build a contending team. It's obviously a concern when I hear people with actual knowledge of the complexities (as opposed to my ignorant fan perspective) who claim that the only way to build a team in a small market is through the draft. I think there is potential. And yes, I view Dame as an asset who can help with the process.
 
He was overpowered by bigger two guards in the low post regularly in the G-League.
You watched a lot of G League Ignite games, did you?

Why was he guarding shooting guards? Who was defending the point guards for the Ignite team?
 
If Scoot is as great of a prospect as everyone (including me) says he is, then Cronin shouldve be able to use that as leverage for a bidding war.
Scoot might end up as good as Dame. The teams that have what we want and would be worth Scoot would rather just have Dame.

So why would they get into a bidding war to wait 5 years as Scoot develops when that would hurt their chances at getting Dame now?
 
Listen man, I wish I shared your optimism about a rebuild. You said I wasnt being logical, but I am not the enemy. I'll try to explain my thinking:

I love who we've acquired the last two drafts as prospects. I watch a decent amount of film for a fan. It's not about Scoot not being a great prospect. I wouldn't bet on nearly anyone to likely be as good as Dame became (Wemby is the only guy I would out of recent drafts).

We saw Josh Hart average an efficient 20/7/4 for a tanking Portland team. Can't read too much into tank ball (although I thought Sharpe improved a TON over the season).

Dame has never won anything - Hence why I want to truly give him a chance because the rebuild route, even if it goes well, is likely to put us in the same position as we're in now, and that's if Scoot and Sharpe want to be here as bad as Dame does. I hate never taking a swing for Dame and this was, in my opinion, our last chance. I think giving Dame a star and improving the bench could give this team a chance. You disagree. That's fine.

I don't think the West is loaded, I think the league has more parity than ever. Who's to say the West won't be harder down the line?

no disrespect to you or Dame. But I feel like you just crossed logic in your comments of Josh Hart and Dame. Care to expand?
 
Cronin basically said Scoot is better then any deal he tried to wrangle up.

Scoot is a young rookie who has never played in the NBA, and Cronin made absolutely no moves, trades, anything. So this statement is full of more holes then a cattle crossing sign in Pendleton.

this presser was after a desperate failed attempt to get Dame's best friend Mikal Bridges on the team by trading Scoot & Ant to the Nets. Why on Earth would Brooklyn shut down that offer ??

I think Lillard is packing his gear. I'll definitely be rooting for Dame wherever he winds up.
They'd shut it down because they'd rather have Dame.
 

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