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Blazinaway said:
interesting, from what I have seen of Winslow so far just with his D/passing I can see hiin being a rotation off the bench guy. The two consecutive yrs in Miam when he played 66 and 68 (2017/2018) games he shot 37.5 and 38% from 3 and avg 26-27 mpg. If he can shoot 35% from 3 with his other skills IMO he is already better than the Roco we had and a solid rotation guy. What amazed me is apparently he had a "hip replacement" - I have never heard of a player still playing in the NBA with a "replacemet", surgeries yes but not a replacement!
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It's funny now I look at every player on the roster as if we keep Dame and try to win it all soon or if we trade Dame and start a rebuild. If Dame stays and we are legitimately trying to contend then Winslow is a really cool 9th or 10th player in a rotation throughout his career he can make the long ball if it is wide open at an effective enough level that he can't be totally left alone out there and then there is the fact that he defends well all over the court and makes the right pass. That's with Dame, if Dame gets traded then he's either a good role playing seventh or eighth option or if we are starting over with a youth rebuild he's valuable as a seventh or eighth spot on the roster depending on who our young stars are.

As far as Keon, the subject of the thread goes, I think he's cool to develop outside the rotation if Dame is staying, I think he's a good trade piece to a team that values him or he's a great prospect to develop in the rotation if we're doing a youth rebuild. I honestly think everything has to be viewed in this way right now because if Cronin is the GM the plan is to rebuild around Dame but if the GM changes to an outside executive at the end of the season, everything changes.
 
blazerkor said:
It's funny now I look at every player on the roster as if we keep Dame and try to win it all soon or if we trade Dame and start a rebuild. If Dame stays and we are legitimately trying to contend then Winslow is a really cool 9th or 10th player in a rotation throughout his career he can make the long ball if it is wide open at an effective enough level that he can't be totally left alone out there and then there is the fact that he defends well all over the court and makes the right pass. That's with Dame, if Dame gets traded then he's either a good role playing seventh or eighth option or if we are starting over with a youth rebuild he's valuable as a seventh or eighth spot on the roster depending on who our young stars are.

As far as Keon, the subject of the thread goes, I think he's cool to develop outside the rotation if Dame is staying, I think he's a good trade piece to a team that values him or he's a great prospect to develop in the rotation if we're doing a youth rebuild. I honestly think everything has to be viewed in this way right now because if Cronin is the GM the plan is to rebuild around Dame but if the GM changes to an outside executive at the end of the season, everything changes.
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Let's say we trade Dame for Ben Simmons. Nothing more than that. We don't need a youth rebuild if we trade Lillard for a younger All Star. I would prefer try to do that than receive a "package" of good/average players and draft picks. We might not be contenders, it might not make the team any better than it has been, but at least we won't stink. It's not fun to go see games when the arena isn't even half full.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Let's say we trade Dame for Ben Simmons. Nothing more than that. We don't need a youth rebuild if we trade Lillard for a younger All Star. I would prefer try to do that than receive a "package" of good/average players and draft picks. We might not be contenders, it might not make the team any better than it has been, but at least we won't stink. It's not fun to go see games when the arena isn't even half full.
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Ben is a horrible option to trade Dame for since they already have Kyrie. The most likely trade for Dame if we get a new GM or Cronin gives up on the idea is Jaylen Brown plus picks and possibly other young players. That won't make us better at the end of next season than we were last season but it does give us a better ceiling, just not a contending ceiling.

Ant, Brow, Nas, FRP, Nurk, FRP plus whatever more we get for Dame would have a higher upside... a title upside than even though Dame and what we have right now including the picks doesn't likely have a title upside.
 
blazerkor said:
Ben is a horrible option to trade Dame for since they already have Kyrie. The most likely trade for Dame if we get a new GM or Cronin gives up on the idea is Jaylen Brown plus picks and possibly other young players. That won't make us better at the end of next season than we were last season but it does give us a better ceiling, just not a contending ceiling.

Ant, Brow, Nas, FRP, Nurk, FRP plus whatever more we get for Dame would have a higher upside... a title upside than even though Dame and what we have right now including the picks doesn't likely have a title upside.
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I seriously doubt Boston would trade Brown for Dame. It doesn't make much sense for them IMO. And they certainly wouldn't add good draft picks and young prospects. There's an 8 year difference in age between Dame & Tatum

even if Boston was willing, I think you're stretching your imagination a lot to see a Brown + Ant roster as a contender while a Dame roster isn't

I'll say again, Portland's problem over the last 7 seasons is that they had a worthy 1st option but no worthy 2nd option to go with him. Trading away that 1st option for a 2nd option doesn't solve the riddle, even if you look thru rose colored glasses and see Ant as a worthy 2nd option. He's not there yet. Having a pair of arguable 2nd options is not better than a 1st and 3rd option (if it was then Boston would be a contender right now...but they ain't). And while it's all difficult, it's going to be a lot harder to land that 1st option than it is to land a 2nd option

if you believe that Boston would trade Brown for a scoring PG, and you believe Ant is an elite one (which would have to be the case if you see Brown + Ant with "title upside") or will be there soon, then Boston should see that too. So then trade Ant in a S&T with one of the lottery picks, plus filler for Brown
 
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blazerkor said:
Ben is a horrible option to trade Dame for since they already have Kyrie. The most likely trade for Dame if we get a new GM or Cronin gives up on the idea is Jaylen Brown plus picks and possibly other young players. That won't make us better at the end of next season than we were last season but it does give us a better ceiling, just not a contending ceiling.

Ant, Brow, Nas, FRP, Nurk, FRP plus whatever more we get for Dame would have a higher upside... a title upside than even though Dame and what we have right now including the picks doesn't likely have a title upside.
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Higher ceiling and lower floor. You have to keep that in mind. Look where New Orleans is now. I don't want the lower floor. I don't care about contending if it means sucking for 3-5 years. I'd rather make the playoffs.
 
wizenheimer said:
I seriously doubt Boston would trade Brown for Dame. It doesn't make much sense for them IMO. And they certainly wouldn't add good draft picks and young prospects. There's an 8 year difference in age between Dame & Tatum

even if Boston was willing, I think you're stretching your imagination a lot to see a Brown + Ant roster as a contender while a Dame roster isn't

I'll say again, Portland's problem over the last 7 seasons is that they had a worthy 1st option but no worthy 2nd option to go with him. Trading away that 1st option for a 2nd option doesn't solve the riddle, even if you look thru rose colored glasses and see Ant as a worthy 2nd option. He's not there yet. Having a pair of arguable 2nd options is not better than a 1st and 3rd option (if it was then Boston would be a contender right now...but they ain't). And while it's all difficult, it's going to be a lot harder to land that 1st option than it is to land a 2nd option

if you believe that Boston would trade Brown for a scoring PG, and you believe Ant is an elite one (which would have to be the case if you see Brown + Ant with "title upside") or will be there soon, then Boston should see that too. So then trade Ant in a S&T with one of the lottery picks, plus filler for Brown
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If I'm Boston, I'm not trading for a "maybe" elite scoring PG-- even with a lottery pick attached--but I'm absolutely willing to trade my all-star SG for a hall-of-fame level PG, and pair two all-NBA talents together.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If I'm Boston, I'm not trading for a "maybe" elite scoring PG-- even with a lottery pick attached--but I'm absolutely willing to trade my all-star SG for a hall-of-fame level PG, and pair two all-NBA talents together.
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then why trade Dame and turn the team over to that "maybe" guard?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If I'm Boston, I'm not trading for a "maybe" elite scoring PG-- even with a lottery pick attached--but I'm absolutely willing to trade my all-star SG for a hall-of-fame level PG, and pair two all-NBA talents together.
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That's what I think too. For us, Jalen Brown is 6 years younger than Lillard. I want something like that, Best Player Available for Lillard (younger the better) , rather than a bunch of draft picks, if we ever trade Lillard. I like the playoffs even if we don't make it to the finals.
 
wizenheimer said:
then why trade Dame and turn the team over to that "maybe" guard?
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Because we're not legitimately in a "win-now" position, whereas Boston is. If we could trade for an all-NBA-caliber player to pair with Dame, then we absolutely should.

But we can't.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It will be a bit
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Does anyone know what his timeline is for coming back? Has the team announced anything? Would be good if he could get some run right now where there is no pressure to immediately succeed.
 
OneSport3 said:
Does anyone know what his timeline is for coming back? Has the team announced anything? Would be good if he could get some run right now where there is no pressure to immediately succeed.
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he said a couple weeks when he was interviewed after the trade. Since he’s already doing court work I’m gonna guess shortly after the all star break.
 
My question is where are the minutes gonna come from, because I’m pretty sure he’s gonna play, his development should take priority over everyone’s not named Simons. McLemore has averaged 25 minutes this month, elleby 27. I’m guessing those two will see reduced minutes.
 
Scalma said:
My question is where are the minutes gonna come from, because I’m pretty sure he’s gonna play, his development should take priority over everyone’s not named Simons. McLemore has averaged 25 minutes this month, elleby 27. I’m guessing those two will see reduced minutes.
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I would assume guys like Hart and Hughes would see the majority of their time at the 3 instead of 2, to get him out there a little more, reduce minutes across the board, outside of Simons.
 
RR7 said:
I would assume guys like Hart and Hughes would see the majority of their time at the 3 instead of 2, to get him out there a little more, reduce minutes across the board, outside of Simons.
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yeah and billups has said that in his system the three is the same as the two, so that would make sense.
 
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I’d actually like to see Keon paired with Simons with Hart replacing Elleby. Elleby and McLemore can get minutes with the second unit. Still surprised we didn’t trade Ben btw.
 
Scalma said:
My question is where are the minutes gonna come from, because I’m pretty sure he’s gonna play, his development should take priority over everyone’s not named Simons. McLemore has averaged 25 minutes this month, elleby 27. I’m guessing those two will see reduced minutes.
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Without a doubt he needs to take CJ’s minutes.
 
Man he's not just explosive, he’s explosive with body control. I bet Billups can turn him into a point. There’s also enough flashes to dream on the possibility that he can play three positions in his system. Reminds me of LaVine, at least offensively.

 
Clearly explosive and athletic. Can't hate on that. His pace is so fast it kinda makes me dizzy.
 
Scalma said:
Man he's not just explosive, he’s explosive with body control. I bet Billups can turn him into a point. There’s also enough flashes to dream on the possibility that he can play three positions in his system. Reminds me of LaVine, at least offensively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYFep7QOVjI
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Ehh I don’t have high hopes for him turning into a PG. But hopefully Chauncey sees what you’re seeing. If he ever became a playmaker even on par with someone like Delon Wright, he’ll be a very good player. He’s going to be bigger and more athletic than most starting PGs, so he’s gonna make it tough on all the PGs in the west if his shot can come around. If Chauncey could ever turn this guy into a PG, I’m convinced Chauncey will be here for a long time.
 
I'll be interested to see how his handle has developed. Couldn't really dribble much with his left at Tennessee and it showed up a lot in the preseason where I've seen the most Keon so far in the NBA.

Obviously crazy fast and explosive, but he can only apply his tools in certain situations right now. Primarily a two foot finisher...much more explosive off two as well. That and the handle is why I think he settles for a lot of pull up 2's. The frame also doesn't help either. Gets bumped off his spots right now.

Defensively, he looked like a rookie. Not a shock. Plays hard and had some flashes staying attached through screens and a couple sweet weakside blocks but he was caught out of position a lot and he can be pretty easily duped by a crafty ball handler.

Still a really appealing prospect, but I have cooled off on him a bit since early in the draft cycle last year. Rooting for him though. The motor, tools and off the dribble flashes are enough to get excited about him. Just might take him a while to put it together I think.
 
BankTeller said:
Ehh I don’t have high hopes for him turning into a PG. But hopefully Chauncey sees what you’re seeing. If he ever became a playmaker even on par with someone like Delon Wright, he’ll be a very good player. He’s going to be bigger and more athletic than most starting PGs, so he’s gonna make it tough on all the PGs in the west if his shot can come around. If Chauncey could ever turn this guy into a PG, I’m convinced Chauncey will be here for a long time.
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I did some RESEARCH and evidently he was playing more off the ball in the g league but when he was up with the clippers Ty Lue had him playing/learning point, so maybe it’s not that far fetched.

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Scalma said:
I’d actually like to see Keon paired with Simons with Hart replacing Elleby. Elleby and McLemore can get minutes with the second unit. Still surprised we didn’t trade Ben btw.
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Maybe they asked Ben if he would like to stick around next season and he said "Yes."
OneSport3 said:
Without a doubt he needs to take CJ’s minutes.
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I think if anyone thinks Keon Johnson is going to take Elleby's starting role or most of his minutes, you're drinking or smoking something pretty potent.
Are you watching the games? Elleby's a 6'6" 21-year-old who has the court awareness of a veteran. He's always in the right place on defense and always making the right passes. He even brings the ball up the court sometimes to start the offense. He does all the "little things" right, that aren't little at all if you're a role player.
Elleby played 35 minutes in Milwaukee and had a team-high plus/minus of +29. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any indication he's going to be replaced by a smaller, less-able player who's more athletic.
 
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