Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll) (2 Viewers)

[Mediocre Man]

Not really what we need, at all

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I don't think it would be one of Simons/Collins, it would either be just Collins or both. I think this forum rates Simons way better than anyone else in the league would. He's really not proven anything. Yes he's young, but that one game against a team of scrubs that weren't playing for anything means basically nothing. People here act like it cements him as a future star.

Not to pick on you, specifically, but I've never liked this logic, which I've seen every offseason.

By that logic, Zion has proved absolutely nothing - he's never even scored a single point at the NBA level. Does that mean
the Pels should just trade the #1 pick for Harkless? No.

Simons has shown he can score at all levels, even as a complete noob. If he has the right mental makeup, he'll go far.

But, yes, he still has to do it. Just like Zion does.

As for KLove. If on the cheap, OK. Otherwise, no.

 

[JoshuaHall]

I don't think it would be one of Simons/Collins, it would either be just Collins or both. I think this forum rates Simons way better than anyone else in the league would. He's really not proven anything. Yes he's young, but that one game against a team of scrubs that weren't playing for anything means basically nothing. People here act like it cements him as a future star.

And this is how you end up with the Jermaine situation

 

[JoshuaHall]

Why don’t we focus on players who can at least guard their own shadow

 

[JoshuaHall]

They really should't:
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Not really surprising that the two teams who've had him haven't been so sorry to see him go.

Pelicans fans are ecstatic he isn’t returning.

He is atrocious on defense

 

[VanillaGorilla]

And this is how you end up with the Jermaine situation

Not to pick on you, specifically, but I've never liked this logic, which I've seen every offseason.

By that logic, Zion has proved absolutely nothing - he's never even scored a single point at the NBA level. Does that mean
the Pels should just trade the #1 pick for Harkless? No.

Simons has shown he can score at all levels, even as a complete noob. If he has the right mental makeup, he'll go far.

But, yes, he still has to do it. Just like Zion does.

As for KLove. If on the cheap, OK. Otherwise, no.

So all players who have shown any ability have the same potential? Does Gary Trent have the exact same potential as Simons?

People are just acting like he's a sure thing based on such little evidence.

 

[Pinwheel1]

So all players who have shown any ability have the same potential? Does Gary Trent have the exact same potential as Simons?

People are just acting like he's a sure thing based on such little evidence.

So when you saw Simons in summer league and/or the Gleague, regardless of his stats, did you not think his potential was high?
That maybe he had a little something special? Maybe not next year but eventually? Did he and Trent look the same to you?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So when you saw Simons in summer league and/or the Gleague, regardless of his stats, did you not think his potential was high?
That maybe he had a little something special? Maybe not next year but eventually? Did he and Trent look the same to you?

Maybe. But that's it, just maybe. Jerryd Bayless looked amazing in summer league. I learned my lesson years ago in regards to getting hyped over such small sample size, against poor competition.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So when you saw Simons in summer league and/or the Gleague, regardless of his stats, did you not think his potential was high?
That maybe he had a little something special? Maybe not next year but eventually? Did he and Trent look the same to you?

I'm not saying I think he'll be bad either. I do think he has a chance to be a great player but it just seems like it's a forgone conclusion to people here. And that doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'm not saying I think he'll be bad either. I do think he has a chance to be a great player but it just seems like it's a forgone conclusion to people here. And that doesn't make sense to me.

Its true you never know, but at the same time you have to make some educated guesses. It's just like the draft. He just turned 20 but to me he looks like a shorter but more athletic version of Kevin Martin. (before his injuries) Kevin Martin is his floor. Not sure who his ceiling is. I will have to think about that.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I'm not saying I think he'll be bad either. I do think he has a chance to be a great player but it just seems like it's a forgone conclusion to people here. And that doesn't make sense to me.

Understandable. But, for me, it's more of an offseason-is-time-for-optimism type of thing.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ppen-bradley-beal-to-celtics-or-pelicans/amp/

8. Cleveland deals Love to Phoenix No. 6 pick

• Suns get: Kevin Love
• Cavs get: Tyler Johnson, No. 6 pick in 2019 draft

The Suns are basically trading the No. 6 pick for Kevin Love, who they would have under contract for the next four years, right in line with Devin Booker and Ayton. That's a core that can grow for a Phoenix team that is going to have a hard time attracting big free agents. Tyler Johnson would have to opt into his final year at just under $20 million, which he will almost certainly do, to make the deal work. Cleveland is now off Love's money and owns both the Nos. 5 and 6 picks in this year's draft to truly kick-start its youth movement around Collin Sexton.

 

[oldmangrouch]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ppen-bradley-beal-to-celtics-or-pelicans/amp/

8. Cleveland deals Love to Phoenix No. 6 pick

• Suns get: Kevin Love
• Cavs get: Tyler Johnson, No. 6 pick in 2019 draft

The Suns are basically trading the No. 6 pick for Kevin Love, who they would have under contract for the next four years, right in line with Devin Booker and Ayton. That's a core that can grow for a Phoenix team that is going to have a hard time attracting big free agents. Tyler Johnson would have to opt into his final year at just under $20 million, which he will almost certainly do, to make the deal work. Cleveland is now off Love's money and owns both the Nos. 5 and 6 picks in this year's draft to truly kick-start its youth movement around Collin Sexton.

Great deal for the Cavs. Not so good for the Suns.

 

[e_blazer]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ppen-bradley-beal-to-celtics-or-pelicans/amp/

8. Cleveland deals Love to Phoenix No. 6 pick

• Suns get: Kevin Love
• Cavs get: Tyler Johnson, No. 6 pick in 2019 draft

The Suns are basically trading the No. 6 pick for Kevin Love, who they would have under contract for the next four years, right in line with Devin Booker and Ayton. That's a core that can grow for a Phoenix team that is going to have a hard time attracting big free agents. Tyler Johnson would have to opt into his final year at just under $20 million, which he will almost certainly do, to make the deal work. Cleveland is now off Love's money and owns both the Nos. 5 and 6 picks in this year's draft to truly kick-start its youth movement around Collin Sexton.

Don’t really see that moving the needle for the Suns.

 

[GDiama]

So when you saw Simons in summer league and/or the Gleague, regardless of his stats, did you not think his potential was high?
That maybe he had a little something special? Maybe not next year but eventually? Did he and Trent look the same to you?

Τhe point for Simons is he went 25th and he didn't really show that much after that to be considered an important trade piece. I remember last season that rookie
guy Alec Peters scoring around same pts Simons did against the Kings and then ending up in Europe. I agree Simons shows great potential, but I also believe nobody outside the Blazers currently value him that much. Better for us that we won't have to include him in a deal because i really believe in him. Again i repeat all he did is go 25th, have 3 decent games in G League and one amazing NBA game. This is not enough to change his status greatly.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Τhe point for Simons is he went 25th and he didn't really show that much after that to be considered an important trade piece. I remember last season that rookie
guy Alec Peters scoring around same pts Simons did against the Kings and then ending up in Europe. I agree Simons shows great potential, but I also believe nobody outside the Blazers currently value him that much. Better for us that we won't have to include him in a deal because i really believe in him. Again i repeat all he did is go 25th, have 3 decent games in G League and one amazing NBA game. This is not enough to change his status greatly.

This is assuming that the scouts for all the other NBA teams evaluate players the same way most fans on message boards do. Granted there are a lot of head scratching moments out there when teams make trades/picks , but I do think may teams actually do their homework and are not just looking at the box score of a few games like many of us do.

The bottom like is if we can we as fans can see potential for a player then every scout in the NBA can as well. What we as fans or the NBA scouts don't see, is what happens in practice on a daily basis.

 

[CupWizier]

This is assuming that the scouts for all the other NBA teams evaluate players the same way most fans on message boards do. Granted there are a lot of head scratching moments out there when teams make trades/picks , but I do think may teams actually do their homework and are not just looking at the box score of a few games like many of us do.

The bottom like is if we can we as fans can see potential for a player then every scout in the NBA can as well. What we as fans or the NBA scouts don't see, is what happens in practice on a daily basis.

No doubt the teams do their homework and have many more resources and information than any fan in an internet forum does. Even with that, some players will slip through while others won't live up to their hype.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[GDiama]

This is assuming that the scouts for all the other NBA teams evaluate players the same way most fans on message boards do. Granted there are a lot of head scratching moments out there when teams make trades/picks , but I do think may teams actually do their homework and are not just looking at the box score of a few games like many of us do.

The bottom like is if we can we as fans can see potential for a player then every scout in the NBA can as well. What we as fans or the NBA scouts don't see, is what happens in practice on a daily basis.

One other thing is if I told you in this board that getting Ferguson or Diallo from OKC would be great many would say noo they have shown nothing, who are those nobodies etc yet in my eyes they showed more than Simons. Most fans overvalue their own players, hope is GMs don't.

 

[Pinwheel1]

One other thing is if I told you in this board that getting Ferguson or Diallo from OKC would be great many would say noo they have shown nothing, who are those nobodies etc yet in my eyes they showed more than Simons. Most fans overvalue their own players, hope is GMs don't.

We over value our own players more and we also shred them to pieces more as well. But it is irrelevant to my point. You said "nobody outside the Blazers currently value him that much".........how would you know that? How do any of us know what any NBA scout thinks of any of our players?

 

[GDiama]

We over value our own players more and we also shred them to pieces more as well. But it is irrelevant to my point. You said "nobody outside the Blazers currently value him that much".........how would you know that? How do any of us know what any NBA scout thinks of any of our players?

Based on him being chosen 24th one year ago and not having played more than 10 full games since then. How do they know if he did improve that much? They watch our practices? And of course i don't know 100%, but that's my assumption, but that's what we all do.

 

[calvin natt]

Can’t imagine how having Love, from ages 31-35, making $30m a year is a good thing in any way whatsoever.

 

[B-Roy]

 

[THE HCP]

I hope this guy doesn’t earn a check for his opinions. 50/50? Is that his professional “insider” opinion.

 

[illmatic99]

I hope this guy doesn’t earn a check for his opinions. 50/50? Is that his professional “insider” opinion.

He's hilarious on the ESPN podcasts where he makes a bold claim/prediction and then pulls back on the key info he's supposedly trying to divulge because he doesn't want to get aggregated. His colleagues call him out on it and he whimpers back into saying the most useless shit like the comment above.

 

[santeesioux]

I wonder if we could get him for just our expirings and draft pick at this point

 

[THE HCP]

He's hilarious on the ESPN podcasts where he makes a bold claim/prediction and then pulls back on the key info he's supposedly trying to divulge because he doesn't want to get aggregated. His colleagues call him out on it and he whimpers back into saying the most useless shit like the comment above.

He’d fit right in here with a majority of our posters

 

[dviss1]

WHOA! You know someone is bad when @dviss1 is advocating Griffin over that person.

You see my digs tho?

"injury prone PF with a massive contract"

 

[dviss1]

Nice line. But if he ever achieved "true greatness" then he would be better than anyone we would be giving up for him.

I think the word "away" means his proximity to LeBron.

 

[dviss1]

Idk, Simons was widely thought of as a future lottery pick before he decommitted from Louisville. I believe he was a top 5-10 recruit.

Right.. I get tired of people saying things like that. He would be a lottery pick in this year's draft.