Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

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Would you trade for Kevin Love?

  • Yes for anyone other than Lillard and McCollum

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes for anyone other than Lillard, McCollum or Nurkic

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Yes for scrubs

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • Not at any price

    Votes: 16 44.4%
  • Total voters
    36

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I've been thinking about this Kevin Love scenario a bit more. My big reservation for any Love trade has to do with where Portland is relative to the Tax line right now.... They will start the repeater tax next year.

So what if Portland can duck the tax this year, while getting KLove? Also, in looking at this draft - there are very few prospects that interest me. I'm not a fan of keeping the pick this season.

Here's my thoughts: https://tradenba.com/trades/hkCr4SLu0

Portland:
Whiteside + Hood + Skal (assuming he's out for season or Tolliver if not) + Bazemore + 2020 1st + 2020 2nd -> KLove + Josh Jackson + Melton + 2021 2nd (Suns via Memphis)

This gets Portland far enough below the tax line that they could sign a few vet min FA to make a run. Portland would trade Hood & Skal for the other teams to eat their contracts (assuming both are out for the year). I'd like to have both Hood & Skal back in Portland next season if they're willing to come back.

Lineup would be:
PG: Dame, Melton
SG: CJ, Simons
SF: Jackson, Trent
PF: Love, Melo
C: Nurk, (Noah? signed as FA to min)
Out of Rotation: Hezonja, Tolliver, Little, Collins


Memphis:
Iguodala + Josh Jackson + Melton + 2021 2nd (Suns via Memphis) -> Bazemore + Lee + 2020 1st (PDX)

Memphis trades two guys not in their rotation and one bench guy for a couple of scrubs and a 1st. They get the 'asset' they want with a mid-round 1st. To get this, they have to part with their best backup guard in Melton.


Dallas:
Lee + 2020 2nd (GS via Dallas) -> Iguodala + Skal (cut - out of season)

Dallas gets the wing defender they want, but have to take on more salary (~$7m) this year and give up a good 2nd round pick to do so.


Cavs:
KLove -> Whiteside + Hood (cut - out of season) + 2020 2nd (GS via Dallas) + 2020 2nd (PDX)

Cavs move love and his long term salary. They get two minor assets for eating ~$10 million of Hoods contract ($5m this year & $5m next). With Hood getting cut, that would open the possibility that he could re-sign with Portland in July for next season at the vet min depending upon his recovery status.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Like it or not the Blazers are getting desperate. They don't have time to sit back and keep playing the waiting game. Dame's going to be 30 and the Blazers haven't had much luck in the free agent department.
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what are they desperate for? another 1st round sweep? Portland has had a DPE from Hood's injury for a month and they haven't used it. If they were really desperate they would have used that instead of waiting till they can use 10-day contracts. And they've had vet minimum exception(s) to use since the season started

trading for Love would definitely be a desperate move. But more than that is it would be a stupid move, especially if they are trading Whiteside for Love

what I'd like to know is why they are spending a two-way contract on Moses if they wouldn't use it right now
 
Baze + Skal + Tolliver + 1st round pick works for Love. They can pretty much waive all those dudes and just keep the pick.

Love is better than any FA or daft pick we will get for the next few years. He and Nurk would be a pretty sweet passing frontcourt and might get the ball moving a bit more. Plus thi move keep Whiteside around if we can make the playoffs.
 
craigehlo said:
Baze + Skal + Tolliver + 1st round pick works for Love. They can pretty much waive all those dudes and just keep the pick.

Love is better than any FA or daft pick we will get for the next few years. He and Nurk would be a pretty sweet passing frontcourt and might get the ball moving a bit more. Plus thi move keep Whiteside around if we can make the playoffs.
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I think a core of dame, Nurk, CJ, and Love is good enough to contend for the next couple of years. I’d rather have aldridge than Love but either one would be a pretty significant addition and probably better than anyone we can get in free agency.
 
The Blazers really need a SF. Assuming Rodney Hood is back, who plays behind him? And what if he's not back to where he was? Have to think about the roster going forward.
 
Collins is solid at PF, he was an efficient scorer when he was healthy. If the Blazers could get a high-level scoring threat with good defense SF that's what I would be trying to get in the starting lineup. Rodney Hood was good, but there must be someone even better in the NBA that's available somehow?
 
tester551 said:
I've been thinking about this Kevin Love scenario a bit more. My big reservation for any Love trade has to do with where Portland is relative to the Tax line right now.... They will start the repeater tax next year.

So what if Portland can duck the tax this year, while getting KLove? Also, in looking at this draft - there are very few prospects that interest me. I'm not a fan of keeping the pick this season.

Here's my thoughts: https://tradenba.com/trades/hkCr4SLu0

Portland:
Whiteside + Hood + Skal (assuming he's out for season or Tolliver if not) + Bazemore + 2020 1st + 2020 2nd -> KLove + Josh Jackson + Melton + 2021 2nd (Suns via Memphis)

This gets Portland far enough below the tax line that they could sign a few vet min FA to make a run. Portland would trade Hood & Skal for the other teams to eat their contracts (assuming both are out for the year). I'd like to have both Hood & Skal back in Portland next season if they're willing to come back.

Lineup would be:
PG: Dame, Melton
SG: CJ, Simons
SF: Jackson, Trent
PF: Love, Melo
C: Nurk, (Noah? signed as FA to min)
Out of Rotation: Hezonja, Tolliver, Little, Collins


Memphis:
Iguodala + Josh Jackson + Melton + 2021 2nd (Suns via Memphis) -> Bazemore + Lee + 2020 1st (PDX)

Memphis trades two guys not in their rotation and one bench guy for a couple of scrubs and a 1st. They get the 'asset' they want with a mid-round 1st. To get this, they have to part with their best backup guard in Melton.


Dallas:
Lee + 2020 2nd (GS via Dallas) -> Iguodala + Skal (cut - out of season)

Dallas gets the wing defender they want, but have to take on more salary (~$7m) this year and give up a good 2nd round pick to do so.


Cavs:
KLove -> Whiteside + Hood (cut - out of season) + 2020 2nd (GS via Dallas) + 2020 2nd (PDX)

Cavs move love and his long term salary. They get two minor assets for eating ~$10 million of Hoods contract ($5m this year & $5m next). With Hood getting cut, that would open the possibility that he could re-sign with Portland in July for next season at the vet min depending upon his recovery status.
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Hood has a no trade clause. He didn't take less money this year to be thrown in on a trade like this and be kicked to the curb. He also has a player option next year that whatever team got him would have to pay too.
 
tester551 said:
I've been thinking about this Kevin Love scenario a bit more. My big reservation for any Love trade has to do with where Portland is relative to the Tax line right now.... They will start the repeater tax next year.

So what if Portland can duck the tax this year, while getting KLove? Also, in looking at this draft - there are very few prospects that interest me. I'm not a fan of keeping the pick this season.

Here's my thoughts: https://tradenba.com/trades/hkCr4SLu0

Portland:
Whiteside + Hood + Skal (assuming he's out for season or Tolliver if not) + Bazemore + 2020 1st + 2020 2nd -> KLove + Josh Jackson + Melton + 2021 2nd (Suns via Memphis)

This gets Portland far enough below the tax line that they could sign a few vet min FA to make a run. Portland would trade Hood & Skal for the other teams to eat their contracts (assuming both are out for the year). I'd like to have both Hood & Skal back in Portland next season if they're willing to come back.

Lineup would be:
PG: Dame, Melton
SG: CJ, Simons
SF: Jackson, Trent
PF: Love, Melo
C: Nurk, (Noah? signed as FA to min)
Out of Rotation: Hezonja, Tolliver, Little, Collins


Memphis:
Iguodala + Josh Jackson + Melton + 2021 2nd (Suns via Memphis) -> Bazemore + Lee + 2020 1st (PDX)

Memphis trades two guys not in their rotation and one bench guy for a couple of scrubs and a 1st. They get the 'asset' they want with a mid-round 1st. To get this, they have to part with their best backup guard in Melton.


Dallas:
Lee + 2020 2nd (GS via Dallas) -> Iguodala + Skal (cut - out of season)

Dallas gets the wing defender they want, but have to take on more salary (~$7m) this year and give up a good 2nd round pick to do so.


Cavs:
KLove -> Whiteside + Hood (cut - out of season) + 2020 2nd (GS via Dallas) + 2020 2nd (PDX)

Cavs move love and his long term salary. They get two minor assets for eating ~$10 million of Hoods contract ($5m this year & $5m next). With Hood getting cut, that would open the possibility that he could re-sign with Portland in July for next season at the vet min depending upon his recovery status.
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Also, we could avoid the repeater tax by not getting Love and not being a tax team.
 
Here's a take from our friend Dave over at BE: "the Blazers need to stay away from Love. He’d make them better by spreading the floor, useful now and next season when the roster normalizes. He’d not contribute enough to raise them into contention, though. This move would enshrine the Blazers into mediocrity for the next 2-3 years exactly when they need to grow beyond it. The only reason to do the deal is if they know they’re not going to get better anyway and they want Love as a really expensive distraction from that reality. That’s a bad reason to make any trade, let alone a cap-consuming one."
https://www.blazersedge.com/2020/1/...in-love-portland-trail-blazers-contract-stats
 
Hey guys guess what? I hear Kevin Love might be available between now and the trade deadline.
 
Scalma said:
I think a core of dame, Nurk, CJ, and Love is good enough to contend for the next couple of years. I’d rather have aldridge than Love but either one would be a pretty significant addition and probably better than anyone we can get in free agency.
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Where do you see Zach slotting in on all this?
 
illmatic99 said:
Where do you see Zach slotting in on all this?
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If they got Love he’d still be an important piece as the primary backup big, especially when you consider Stotts’ scheme. But like Simons, he’d also be a pretty valuable asset they could use to add more proven players.
 
Scalma said:
If they got Love he’d still be an important piece as the primary backup big, especially when you consider Stotts’ scheme. But like Simons, he’d also be a pretty valuable asset they could use to add more proven players.
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I think you'd have to trade Zach, preferably for a defensive SF. Nurk has to cover for at least 3 of those starters on that end otherwise.

I really think adding Love would cause more problems than create solutions for our roster.
 
Tom Haberstroh said:
At 16-22, the Blazers are desperate for bigs with Jusuf Nurkic (broken leg) still sidelined and Zach Collins facing potentially season-ending shoulder surgery. Carmelo Anthony, though he’s played admirably after a year away from the game, is not a long-term solution.
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to me, Love is the most sensible choice for the Blazers.
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“Portland is the one constant candidate that comes up when I ask executives about his future, with Hassan Whiteside’s contract the necessary piece to make that work (he’s in the final year of his deal, making $27 million compared to Love’s $28.9 million),” wrote Amick.

“With the Blazers (16-23) sliding so far in the standings, it’s hard to envision them making that kind of move at the moment. What’s more, there is serious skepticism from key people close to the Blazers that Love will ever find his way to his home region team in the Northwest.”

https://theathletic.com/1521675/202...6-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

Could mean Portland is sold on Collins as their PF of the future.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopsh...marcus-aldridge-covington-love-valentine/amp/

5. KEVIN LOVE

The Cleveland Cavaliers’ attempts to trade Kevin Love have not been fruitful so far, with the latest rumors on this front telling us that league execs believe Cleveland will have to attach assets in a potential Love deal for a team to actually be interested.

Here’s what The Athletic’s David Aldridge reported this week on the Love trade front:

Love certainly could help the Blazers, or Pacers, or Rockets. But that contract is hard to match up in a way that makes sense for Cleveland, which understandably is asking for a lot in return. “I don’t think Kevin has a lot of value,” a Western Conference executive said Monday. “The contract is obvious, but you know he is going to miss games with the toll on his body… I don’t see teams taking Kevin on (without) at least taking back a first-round draft pick or multiple seconds.”

Love’s injury history, age (31) and so-so production this season undoubtedly hurt his value, and that’s without even mentioning the fact that he’s set to be paid like a Top-20ish player for the next four seasons.

Cleveland might be better served playing the campaign out and trying to move Love again this offseason, in hopes his value rebounds over the course of the rest of the season.
 
Whiteside/Little and our 1st round pick for Love and the Cavs 1st round pick?
 
BigGameDamian said:
Whiteside/Little and our 1st round pick for Love and the Cavs 1st round pick?
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Hell NO. Any trade the brings love and his bloated contract and his injury history is a no. Unless Cleveland is going to through in a couple 1st's. He is being paid like a all star and is long past being a all star level player.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Whiteside/Little and our 1st round pick for Love and the Cavs 1st round pick?
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Even though I know you're suggesting this because of your whole "untouchable" shtick, this is a bad trade for Portland.

Portland would be doing the Cavs a HUGE HUGE HUGE favor by taking on Love's contract and basically giving the Cavs a get out of jail free card + 1 strong prospect and a potential lottery pick.
 
julius said:
Even thought I know you're suggesting this because of your whole "untouchable" shtick, this is a bad trade for Portland.

Portland would be doing the Cavs a HUGE HUGE HUGE favor by taking on Love's contract and basically giving the Cavs a get out of jail free card + 1 strong prospect and a potential lottery pick.
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Have you looked at the standings lately? This deal gives up a "potential lottery pick" for a potential top 3 pick. (currently tied for 3rd worst record)

This is the 1st hypothetical Love deal that doesn't make me gag. I don't care if it turns out a win-win deal that also helps the Cavs. As for Little being a "strong prospect", we will just have to agree to disagree on that.

The Blazers aren't a player for top free agents and they don't have the assets to land an all-star quality player in a trade. Yes, a high draft pick is never a guarantee...but it may also be the ONLY chance we have to land a true impact player. Like you, I hate Love's contract. Know what I hate more? Going from WCF to 8th seed/ass-end of the lotto country!
 
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