Kevin Love sweepstakes

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Sarni said:
Yes if those picks end up being in the 20s which they are. You are trading Kevin Love, one of the best power forwards in the league that you had acquired for no. 1 overall pick. I would trade him for two low end first round picks alone and here you are also asking me to take on some players I don’t even want. Suns could come and offer them TJ Warren and the Bucks pick and it immediately becomes a better offer. Unless Love’s value is at bottom low the deal you are proposing would be terrible value for Cavs.

Nobody will take Turner and Leonard in any kind of a deal IMO. We are stuck with them until 2020, that’s unless Olshey gives them new deals by that time.
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In today's climate in the NBA, Love's contract is actually pretty high. His value isn't close to what it was when he was traded to Cleveland. He's been injury prone and been the scape goat (unfairly) to many of the Cavs problems.

Love simply doesn't have much value. We could also offer to use the TPE to take back more salary or do other unbalanced trades so they could rid themselves of guys like JR Smith and/or Tristan Thompson. I don't see Phoenix giving up young assets for him just like most rebuilding teams wouldn't. The only team I'm worried about is the Lakers IF LeBron wanted him but that doesn't appear to be the case.
 
Sarni said:
Middleton can play anywhere from 2 to 4.

Nobody aside from us gets fair value here. Harkless and Aminu are not needed at Cleveland during rebuild, Collins I think is not enough for Middleton but he’s expiring so maybe at a push but I doubt Milwaukee are looking to get younger.

I think inclusion of Harkless in Love trade makes it more realistic than including Meyers or Turner but he’d need to go to a third team that would send a younger player or a pick to Cleveland.

The only way we get Love though, I think, is if we give them Collins.
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Fair enough, but I think you're overestimating Love's trade value in the current climate, and underestimating Moe's value to a rebuilding team.
 
Sarni said:
There’s not a deal that we can provide for him that would make sense unless we include Zach Collins. West is strong but this team with Love could still be top 6 meaning or pick would end up around 20 or so, that’s not a tremendous value. To match salaries we would need to send out a couple of terrible deals that will still run for two more years too, which basically completely nullifies the value of the pick attached. Our only young player of value is Collins.

They are actually better off sending him anywhere else or keeping him rather than taking crap like Turner and Leonard.
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It is in their interest to get crap, otherwise they will lose their first round pick to Atlanta.

They can not be decent this year it they want that pick. That's why they should be ok with crap + pick,, because it is actually 2 picks from their point of view
 
andalusian said:
It is in their interest to get crap, otherwise they will lose their first round pick to Atlanta.

They can not be decent this year it they want that pick. That's why they should be ok with crap + pick,, because it is actually 2 picks from their point of view
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Yeah, imagine this scenario:

The Blazers in 2015-16 get Damian Lillard taken from their roster but they still lose their 2016 draft pick to Denver. So basically they'd be building around CJ, Vonleh, and Meyers Leonard and no draft pick that summer. Sounds really fun right?

The Cavs basically have Collin Sexton for their rebuild. Even if you included Cedi Osman and Ante Zizic as young prospects they still have a pretty empty cupboard. They have to be in the bottom 10 next year.
 
Sarni said:
Three picks is desperate as one of them will be 2023 and nobody knows what this team will be like at the time. He’s definitely miles better than Meyers.

Warren isn’t trash, he’s actually a decent scorer. Bucks haven’t picked below us in the last three years, have one great and one good player and a lot of bad players with little cap flexibility.
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Thats why there's pick protections... I think a team like OKC would swap a a 1st for a couple 2nds and us taking on some salaty.
 
I'd go for a love korver package for Turner, Harkless, Swanigan, and a protected 1st
 
Nay for me. I don't want to move Collins for Love.
 
Im not for including Collins unless its for someone like KL.
 
Turftoejoe said:
Me neither. I can see him being a nice player someday but never the kind of player you would be sorry you gave up for Kevin Love.
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If Kevin Love were 27-28, maybe I’d consider dealing Collins for Love. But he’ll be 30 when the season begins. He’s not the healthiest. I’ve never been a huge Love fan, to be fair. He’s always put up good numbers, but so did Abdur-Rahim.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
If Kevin Love were 27-28, maybe I’d consider dealing Collins for Love. But he’ll be 30 when the season begins. He’s not the healthiest. I’ve never been a huge Love fan, to be fair. He’s always put up good numbers, but so did Abdur-Rahim.
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Oh God that trade
 
I think Collins could be a Marcus Camby type. Not really a great offensive player, but a really good defender. I don't think he's going to be a perennial All-Star unless something drastic changes though.
 
BigGameDamian said:
You do realize that when Collins is entering his prime that Dame and CJ will be at the trail end of there's. Same with Nurk though. At some point we're going to have to make some tough choices. Just saying.
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I'm fine with building for the future as well as right now.

We don't need to make those choices unless somebody really special comes along. Love is too injury prone and disinterested in defense to be that special, unfortunately.
 
handiman said:
Guessing he meant Kawhi Leonard, just an unfortunate initials coincidence.
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I know.... Just trying to give him a hard time. I found it a tad ironic.

I actually completely agree with his take too. I wouldn't include Collins in a Love trade.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What is the "it"? Because there are plenty of "its" I don't see in Kevin Love.
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I'm projecting Collins as a below average starter. Maybe he bursts out of that to become a solid starter in his prime, but his ceiling is nowhere near where Kevin Love is now (or in the near future).

Love is just a flat out better player, and I expect this hierarchy to remain over the next 4-5 years.

I wouldn't hesitate in moving Collins and maximizing his value before the rest of the league figures out he's not a star.
 
Zach Collins is going to be a much better defensive player that Kevin Love will ever be.

Offense he will be an average+ player at least, I suspect, but he has the tools to be more
 
andalusian said:
Zach Collins is going to be a much better defensive player that Kevin Love will ever be.

Offense he will be an average+ player at least, I suspect, but he has the tools to be more
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Agreed. At worst, Collins will be a good defender who can hit the three, as he already has shown. He seems motivated to work on his post game and his driving abilities. Only time will tell if those can develop as well.
 
AmirIcon said:
I'd be open to trading Zach but I'm not a big fan of K. Love. I'd rather trade Zach for Jimmy Butler or K. Leonard. I'd take the risk for one season and see if we can spend the next year pitching him on the culture and franchise.
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I would love Jimmy Butler. That would be worth risk for sure.
 
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