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handiman said:
Well played.

I was thinking more along the lines of all the drama surrounding Damon's 4th quarter playing time, his mental fortitude, his inability to live up to his contract, etc. Being the local kid didn't work to his advantage.



Sure, on paper he's a good fit, but he hasn't really been that player since Minnesota. I do think he'll do better without GM LeBron hovering over him, but right now I wouldn't bank on him being any more more than a vastly overpaid role player. I think/hope Collins will be better than Love in a year or two.

Coming out of college, I said Love would be the perfect 3rd big behind Oden and Aldridge, able to compliment either with his inside/out game, mirroring what you said. Unfortunately, his stock rose too rapidly for us to have a chance of nabbing him. Boy how the luster wore off all three of those dudes.
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I understood your concerns, I was just being cheeky :)
 
If we took Korver, JR, or Clarkson off Cleveland’s hands with our TPE we could probably get a good deal on Love.
 
Scalma said:
If we took Korver, JR, or Clarkson off Cleveland’s hands with our TPE we could probably get a good deal on Love.
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You'd think Olshey would be all over a deal bringing both Love and Korver to Portland. Long as he doesn't have to give up Collins or Leonard, of course.
 
handiman said:
Sure, on paper he's a good fit, but he hasn't really been that player since Minnesota. I do think he'll do better without GM LeBron hovering over him, but right now I wouldn't bank on him being any more more than a vastly overpaid role player. I think/hope Collins will be better than Love in a year or two.
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Last year he had a PER of 22.4, (better than anyone of the Blazers regular rotation players other than Dame), TS of .614 (Better than any Portland regular rotation players), TRB of 18.6 (only Ed had a better TRB% of Portland's regular rotation players), WS/48 of 0.185 (only Dame had a higher one from Portland's regular rotation players).

Let's be clear here, he is far from the best PF in the league, but he is not a role player, and if we only get the same one that was in Cleveland last year, he is basically the Blazers 2nd or 3rd best overall player by production, plain and simple.

I would argue that playing in Terry's system - he will likely be just as good he was in Cleveland if not better.
 
If we are really gonna try to compete during this GS era then trading for Love(even for Collins) makes sense, I think it’s a mistake though. We should be retooling and be ready to roll in 3 season during the GS decline.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You'd think Olshey would be all over a deal bringing both Love and Korver to Portland. Long as he doesn't have to give up Collins or Leonard, of course.
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Portland will be going for the arena white-out all season long. No more red or black t shirts. Alllll white
 
hoopsjock said:
Okay, I've got it...

Denver gets a future 2nd round pick from us

Cleveland gets Turner, Leonard, Swanigan, Layman, and a 2019 lottery protected 1st (Denver)

Portland gets Love, JR Smith, and Wilson Chandler (TPE)



Starters: Dame, CJ, Hark, Love, Nurk

Bench: Baldwin, JR, Chandler, Aminu, Collins

Deep Bench: Simons, Trent, Stauskas, PapaG

Still have the tax-MLE to sign a 15th roster spot.
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Only if we immediately cut JR Smith
 
andalusian said:
Last year he had a PER of 22.4, (better than anyone of the Blazers regular rotation players other than Dame), TS of .614 (Better than any Portland regular rotation players), TRB of 18.6 (only Ed had a better TRB% of Portland's regular rotation players), WS/48 of 0.185 (only Dame had a higher one from Portland's regular rotation players).

Let's be clear here, he is far from the best PF in the league, but he is not a role player, and if we only get the same one that was in Cleveland last year, he is basically the Blazers 2nd or 3rd best overall player by production, plain and simple.

I would argue that playing in Terry's system - he will likely be just as good he was in Cleveland if not better.
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Hmm, well, it wouldn't be the first time that stats don't pass the eye test. I can't argue with the data, but don't come crying to me when everyone wants him gone in a year. :)
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Contrary to Reports, the Cavs are actually morons....
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Sure sounds like it. A great way to lose their 1st round pick.

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Hawks (protected top 10)



PICK MAY OR MAY NOT TRANSFER DEPENDING ON CAVALIERS DRAFT POSITION



Traded • Kyle Korver to Cavaliers for • Mike Dunleavy • Mo Williams • first round pick (protected top 10 in 2019-20, else 2021 second round pick and 2022 second round pick) (?-?) • cash considerations on 2017-01-07
 
andalusian said:
Sure sounds like it. A great way to lose their 1st round pick.

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Hawks (protected top 10)



PICK MAY OR MAY NOT TRANSFER DEPENDING ON CAVALIERS DRAFT POSITION



Traded • Kyle Korver to Cavaliers for • Mike Dunleavy • Mo Williams • first round pick (protected top 10 in 2019-20, else 2021 second round pick and 2022 second round pick) (?-?) • cash considerations on 2017-01-07
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LBJ destroyed the future of the team with quick fixes. They need to burn it down and start over. Love isn't getting any younger, and his trade value isn't going up. But yeah, they may need to tank to keep their pick, too.
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...trades-the-cleveland-cavaliers-should-explore


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    Cavaliers Receive: F/C Meyers Leonard, SF Maurice Harkless, PF Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st-round pick

    Blazers Receive: F/C Kevin Love

    Love was born in Santa Monica, California, but his family moved to Lake Oswego, Oregon, shortly thereafter. Love spent 18 years there, and he finished as the state's all-time leading scorer in boys' basketball history.

    Lake Oswego is roughly nine miles south of downtown Portland and a short 22-minute drive to the Moda Center, where the Trail Blazersplay. Sending Love back home and to a team that finished third in the loaded Western Conference last year would be a show of good faith for his contributions over the past four years.

    Portland could use a floor-stretching power forward to pair with its star backourt of Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum. While those two averaged 5.6 three-pointers last year, the Blazers were only 16th in the NBA in made triples per game (10.3).

    For Cleveland, this trade is mostly about getting Portland's unprotected first-round pick, although Swanigan is only 21 and could develop into a rotation-caliber big. Leonard and Harkless could potentially squeeze into the Cavaliers' rebuilding plans at ages 26 and 25, respectively, but they're mainly salary fillers that come off the books in 2020.

    If the Cavs gave either of them an opportunity to produce and flipped them to a contender for a low pick sometime before then, it'd be a win.
 
BigGameDamian said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...trades-the-cleveland-cavaliers-should-explore


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    Cavaliers Receive: F/C Meyers Leonard, SF Maurice Harkless, PF Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st-round pick

    Blazers Receive: F/C Kevin Love

    Love was born in Santa Monica, California, but his family moved to Lake Oswego, Oregon, shortly thereafter. Love spent 18 years there, and he finished as the state's all-time leading scorer in boys' basketball history.

    Lake Oswego is roughly nine miles south of downtown Portland and a short 22-minute drive to the Moda Center, where the Trail Blazersplay. Sending Love back home and to a team that finished third in the loaded Western Conference last year would be a show of good faith for his contributions over the past four years.

    Portland could use a floor-stretching power forward to pair with its star backourt of Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum. While those two averaged 5.6 three-pointers last year, the Blazers were only 16th in the NBA in made triples per game (10.3).

    For Cleveland, this trade is mostly about getting Portland's unprotected first-round pick, although Swanigan is only 21 and could develop into a rotation-caliber big. Leonard and Harkless could potentially squeeze into the Cavaliers' rebuilding plans at ages 26 and 25, respectively, but they're mainly salary fillers that come off the books in 2020.

    If the Cavs gave either of them an opportunity to produce and flipped them to a contender for a low pick sometime before then, it'd be a win.
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Finally, something that gives Portland a boost. Probably won't happen, but atleast it's not some lame, purge the Blazers star for a mediocre return to build a Stupidteam somewhere else. I'd throw an extra 1st rounder to them to get it done.
 
BigGameDamian said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...trades-the-cleveland-cavaliers-should-explore


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    Cavaliers Receive: F/C Meyers Leonard, SF Maurice Harkless, PF Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st-round pick

    Blazers Receive: F/C Kevin Love

    Love was born in Santa Monica, California, but his family moved to Lake Oswego, Oregon, shortly thereafter. Love spent 18 years there, and he finished as the state's all-time leading scorer in boys' basketball history.

    Lake Oswego is roughly nine miles south of downtown Portland and a short 22-minute drive to the Moda Center, where the Trail Blazersplay. Sending Love back home and to a team that finished third in the loaded Western Conference last year would be a show of good faith for his contributions over the past four years.

    Portland could use a floor-stretching power forward to pair with its star backourt of Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum. While those two averaged 5.6 three-pointers last year, the Blazers were only 16th in the NBA in made triples per game (10.3).

    For Cleveland, this trade is mostly about getting Portland's unprotected first-round pick, although Swanigan is only 21 and could develop into a rotation-caliber big. Leonard and Harkless could potentially squeeze into the Cavaliers' rebuilding plans at ages 26 and 25, respectively, but they're mainly salary fillers that come off the books in 2020.

    If the Cavs gave either of them an opportunity to produce and flipped them to a contender for a low pick sometime before then, it'd be a win.
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Do it
 
A 2019 1st rounder for Portland is *potentially* a lottery pick. Tough to let go.
 
Still think this will be our best chance to actually improve this summer. Love is getting so underrated these days.

deal 1: Leonard/Aminu/Layman/Swanigan/future first for Love
deal 2: TPE for Clarkson

It saves them a ton of future salary and gives them an extra pick for 2019 to expedite their rebuild.

A Dame-CJ-Moe-Love-Nurk squad can do some damage. And I like Curry-Clarkson-ET-Collins off the bench. We'd then need to find more wings somewhere.
 
He is just too injury prone to give up CJ or Collins for. Both of whom Cleveland will want.
I would give them any Ohio State alum plus Aminu (and a pick)
 
Leonard, Aminu, Swanigan, our lottery protected 2019 pick and a right to swap in 2022 for Love would make a LOT of sense for both teams.

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12) / Baldwin / Simons
McCollum (23) / Curry (25) / Stauskas
Harkless (30) / Trent (18) / Turner
Love (35) / Collins (10) / Harkless (3)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18) / PapaG

I like it.
 
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