Lowe: Nurkic is taking qualifying offer

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We complain about the defensive limitations of our starting guards, but they have nothing on Jokic. I can't help but wonder if the Jokic contract will be looked at as one of the worst of all times a few years from now.
His play in a vacuum, coming off a rookie contract warrants a Max deal. Defense be damned. He's about as impactful to that franchise as Dame was when he got his Max. Think there's quite a bit of hyperbole here.

If we're trying to look for comparables to Nurk, we need to come down a few tiers. Guys like Brolo, or Vucevic, or in this FA class, Noel, Kanter are more appropriate
 
Collins is not a center

Certainly he is too stupid to ever be able to play the position. Or is it his 7' tall body and 9'3" standing reach that makes it impossible. Maybe it is his 44% defensive field goal percent within 10 feet of the rim that makes it impossible for him to play center. Which one do you think it is?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/colliza01.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066650/zach-collins

http://www.nba.com/players/zach/collins/1628380

But, I'm sure you know more than Basketball-Reference, ESPN and the NBA about what position Collins is.
 
His play in a vacuum, coming off a rookie contract warrants a Max deal. Defense be damned. He's about as impactful to that franchise as Dame was when he got his Max. Think there's quite a bit of hyperbole here.

If we're trying to look for comparables to Nurk, we need to come down a few tiers. Guys like Brolo, or Vucevic, or in this FA class, Noel, Kanter are more appropriate

Running out and giving Nurk a max at this point would be equivalent to paying Turner what we gave him. You are bargaining against yourself and you end up with a contract that is completely untradable. I truly hope the Blazers don't do that. If things don't work out with this team, the last thing I want is a big anchor contract that runs long term. Given his performance last year, I don't see him as a max player at all. $15M-$20M seems reasonable. Much more than that and I think they blew it.
 
Running out and giving Nurk a max at this point would be equivalent to paying Turner what we gave him. You are bargaining against yourself and you end up with a contract that is completely untradable. I truly hope the Blazers don't do that. If things don't work out with this team, the last thing I want is a big anchor contract that runs long term. Given his performance last year, I don't see him as a max player at all. $15M-$20M seems reasonable. Much more than that and I think they blew it.
I know. I'm talking about Jokic warranting a max. Not Nurk .
 
Collins is not a center, he has a small frame build. I think LaMarcus Aldridge's build is going to be his best case.

Someone go tell Orlando that Bamba isn't a center. He only weighs 225 lbs. They have to play him at PF.
 
Certainly he is too stupid to ever be able to play the position. Or is it his 7' tall body and 9'3" standing reach that makes it impossible. Maybe it is his 44% defensive field goal percent within 10 feet of the rim that makes it impossible for him to play center. Which one do you think it is?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/colliza01.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066650/zach-collins

http://www.nba.com/players/zach/collins/1628380

But, I'm sure you know more than Basketball-Reference, ESPN and the NBA about what position Collins is.

Exactly right. Especially in today's NBA, Collins will ultimately be a center.
 
I know. I'm talking about Jokic warranting a max. Not Nurk .

Got it. I still think it is short sighted given their lack of success over the span of his improvement. Time will tell.
 
I'm on record as saying the max I pay Nurk is $20 mil/year. Still sounds right.
 
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Certainly he is too stupid to ever be able to play the position. Or is it his 7' tall body and 9'3" standing reach that makes it impossible. Maybe it is his 44% defensive field goal percent within 10 feet of the rim that makes it impossible for him to play center. Which one do you think it is?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/colliza01.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066650/zach-collins

http://www.nba.com/players/zach/collins/1628380

But, I'm sure you know more than Basketball-Reference, ESPN and the NBA about what position Collins is.
Not saying he's stupid, but simply small framed, and even with maturity , I doubt he could handle the banging he'd take on a regular basis at the center position.
 
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Not saying he's stupid, but simply small framed, and even with maturity , I doubt he could handle the banging he'd take on a regular basis at the center position.

The kid just turned 20. He will fill out. Most of this depends on what is trending in the NBA. If we go back to having more big centers then Collins plays PF. The current trend is having centers who can defend the rim, but still get out to guard the 3pt line. That is Collins and definitely not Nurkic.

BTW, Tyson Chandler was at least five pounds lighter than Collins when he came into the league.
 
Certainly he is too stupid to ever be able to play the position. Or is it his 7' tall body and 9'3" standing reach that makes it impossible. Maybe it is his 44% defensive field goal percent within 10 feet of the rim that makes it impossible for him to play center. Which one do you think it is?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/colliza01.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066650/zach-collins

http://www.nba.com/players/zach/collins/1628380

But, I'm sure you know more than Basketball-Reference, ESPN and the NBA about what position Collins is.
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His play in a vacuum, coming off a rookie contract warrants a Max deal. Defense be damned. He's about as impactful to that franchise as Dame was when he got his Max. Think there's quite a bit of hyperbole here.

If we're trying to look for comparables to Nurk, we need to come down a few tiers. Guys like Brolo, or Vucevic, or in this FA class, Noel, Kanter are more appropriate
It would probably help our ability to build a competitive team if Nurk sees it that way :smiley-drzifige: Even Paul Allen doesn't want to pay any more lux or repeater tax than he has to.
 
If Nurkic were a FA today, I honestly believe he would offers in the $10M-15M range. There is just too much uncertainty about the future of the center position and his numbers were not super this last season. Primarily his shooting percentages and rebounding (inconsistent).

If I had to guess I would guess Blazers will offer him more 15-20, but he will be thinking 20-25, so he will take the qualifying offer and see what happens next year. I hope he does. Either he will prove that he is worth $25M+ or he will end the year with question marks and then the free market will decide what he is worth.
 
If Nurkic were a FA today, I honestly believe he would offers in the $10M-15M range. There is just too much uncertainty about the future of the center position and his numbers were not super this last season. Primarily his shooting percentages and rebounding (inconsistent).

If I had to guess I would guess Blazers will offer him more 15-20, but he will be thinking 20-25, so he will take the qualifying offer and see what happens next year. I hope he does. Either he will prove that he is worth $25M+ or he will end the year with question marks and then the free market will decide what he is worth.
I concur with this speculation.

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If Nurkic were a FA today, I honestly believe he would offers in the $10M-15M range. There is just too much uncertainty about the future of the center position and his numbers were not super this last season. Primarily his shooting percentages and rebounding (inconsistent).

If I had to guess I would guess Blazers will offer him more 15-20, but he will be thinking 20-25, so he will take the qualifying offer and see what happens next year. I hope he does. Either he will prove that he is worth $25M+ or he will end the year with question marks and then the free market will decide what he is worth.
Maybe I'm off, but these scales that you have are vastly different from where I am. There just isn't enough money either this yr or next for these kinds of numbers. I think Neil offers him a deal similar to Meyers'.
 
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Maybe I'm off, but these scales that you have are vastly different from where I am. There just isn't enough money either this yr or next for these kinds of numbers. I think Neil offers him a deal similar to Meyers'.

That's a insult bro. Real talk is Nurks ceiling is higher than Steven Adams. $15Myr is the floor for the BB.
 
Maybe I'm off, but these scales that you have are vastly different from where I am. There just isn't enough money either this yr or next for these kinds of numbers. I think Neil offers him a deal similar to Meyers'.

I hope you are right. I know teams can go over the cap to sign Bird players, but can they also go over the tax line? I thought they could.
 
I hope you are right. I know teams can go over the cap to sign Bird players, but can they also go over the tax line? I thought they could.
yes. just remember though that if the payroll as a result of the deal crosses the apron threshold (6 mil above tax line), the team forefits the full MLE and Biannual exception, can't do S&Ts, etc. It's a pseudo hard cap. It would behoove us to use all those exceptions first and then sign Nurk to his deal after.

But it's prolly moot as is. We'll get above the apron fairly easily no matter how we slice it unless Nurk takes the QO.
 
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There is a small nugget for Blazers fans here though. Jusuf Nurkic turned down a giant contract at the end of last year, a blessing in disguise given how he played over the course of this season. It’s possible his agent will help Nurkic negotiate a short-term contract this offseason with Portland at a more palatable number moving forward. Much has been made about how that’s good news for Nurkic, who will get to try for another big contract before he’s 30. But a shorter Nurkic contract also gives Portland some flexibility moving forward. Paul Allen is going to pay the luxury tax if the team is good and contending, so Nurkic’s next big contract isn’t that scary for the Blazers. They just need to duck the repeater. Meanwhile, if Nurkic doesn’t realize his potential, Portland can bail. It’s win-win.
 
Running out and giving Nurk a max at this point would be equivalent to paying Turner what we gave him. You are bargaining against yourself and you end up with a contract that is completely untradable. I truly hope the Blazers don't do that. If things don't work out with this team, the last thing I want is a big anchor contract that runs long term. Given his performance last year, I don't see him as a max player at all. $15M-$20M seems reasonable. Much more than that and I think they blew it.
I agree with this. Nurk is your traditional plodding center. The game is moving more and more towards versatile centers who can shoot. If we sign nurk to a big deal, he won’t be tradeable.
 

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