Matisse Thybulle Signs Full-MLE Offer with Mavericks / Blazers match

[julius]

and will shoot a combined 6.2% from 3...

Well, Matisse shot like 36% from 3 last year, and almost 39% from 3 as a Blazer, so does that mean Simmons and Ray-Ray would shoot like 40 a game?

 

[riverman]

Good move...Matisse is a great value on that deal. It's like getting a young Wes Mathews with a better handle on a friendly deal.

 

[Natebishop3]

BTW, it wasn't "full mid-level" as in the title...

/pushes up glasses

 

[BrianFromWA]

Going off of career averages of 2.2 shots a game, and giving you the 39%, Simmons and RayRay would only have to go 0-10.

Then again, that's the joke.

 

[inconceivable]

Good move...Matisse is a great value on that deal. It's like getting a young Wes Mathews with a better handle on a friendly deal.

Wes is better offensively, slightly

 

[B-Roy]

Wes is better offensively, slightly

You're kidding me right?

Are we really comparing Matisse Thybulle's offense to Wes Matthews? Wes is like 10x better and that's not an exaggeration.

 

[riverman]

Wes is better offensively, slightly

I don't think so..Wes didn't finish layups well (not good under the rim at all) and had a chest high dribble...I think Mattise is going to be better than Wes was...where they are similar is on defense...Matisse shot 38.8 % from deep for us...and he was the 5th option on offense...Wes had much more of an offensive role

 

[robson]

Well, with Dame gone he shouldn't be. Sharpe should be starting at the 3 (unless they trade Ant), and I want Rupert playing behind him to develop him. Rupert might be my favorite move of Cronin's entire tenure, I think he can be a lockdown defender with some offensive upside and the sooner the Blazers allow him to try and tap into that, the better. Also, the Blazers should have cap space next year and I'm interested in maximizing that, as it'd allow Portland to take a chance on better role players than Thybulle, or at the very least would give them the ability to take on salary for assets without sending anything back.

There's also a chance that the Dame trade generates a $20M-$30M TPE. I hope the Blazers have enough of a buffer below the tax to use that TPE to help other teams at next years trade deadline by taking on contracts in return for assets. That's what smart rebuilding teams do.

I don't think there's much of a chance the Blazers win in the next couple of seasons, so keeping Thybulle isn't all that important to me. If the Blazers feel like they can flip him for assets back, sure, but he barely fetched Philadelphia anything on half the price last season, so I don't see how Portland could get much more than a 2nd round pick or two. I don't think that's worth risking the flexibility and limited Ruperts minutes behind Sharpe. I'd rather find a cheap shooter for the 3rd guard spot (Skylar Mays?) to play limited minutes along with moving Sharpe down to the 2 to open up more minutes for Rupert at the 3.

and will shoot a combined 6.2% from 3...

So, after ten years of "we got shooters!" and no defense whatsoever, you guys still think it would be better to have another shooter?
Don't you think Matisse, great locker room guy btw, can teach Rupert some NBA level defense and put some pressure on youngs to actually play defense?
For me, this is great signing. I don't know what Cronin's plan is, but it would be fun, if he actually wanted to inject some defensive culture into this team.

 

[BrianFromWA]

So, after ten years of "we got shooters!" and no defense whatsoever, you guys still think it would be better to have another shooter?
Don't you think Matisse, great locker room guy btw, can teach Rupert some NBA level defense and put some pressure on youngs to actually play defense?
For me, this is great signing. I don't know what Cronin's plan is, but it would be fun, if he actually wanted to inject some defensive culture into this team.

Holy cow I need to go green font...lumping me in a multiquote with Bones is not cool!!

For the record, I think Thybulle can be a decent shooter, though the FT% gives me pause. Then again, I saw Jason Kidd's broken shot eventually come around to be better than serviceable, so I withhold judgement for now. No idea about Rupert, but I know Ben Simmons is literally 5-36 in his entire career.
And yes, I'd like to watch Scoot/Sharpe/Thybulle/Grant/Simmons and see what they can do defensively. But that's giving up a lot on offense, unless you think you can have Thybulle be your corner guy for Scoot's drive-and-kick and either have Simmons in the dunker spot or initiating from the FT line.

 

[Quatro44]

good deal to match.

 

[robson]

Scoot/Sharpe/Thybulle/Grant/Simmons and see what they can do defensively. But that's giving up a lot on offense,

Every youg player now wants to shoot 3s from the logo. I say, teach them defense first, especially in this season with no expectations.
Dame is great guy, but I really hope we going to change this ISO ball, no defense "culture".

 

[glazeduck]

So Dallas basically gifted us an MLE? Sweet.

To those not willing to trade Matisse to Dallas though (because I think that's a distinct possibility, when possible...) you wouldn't have traded Matisse for the 11th pick in the draft? Really?

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Why does it have to be Simmons or let's have Sharpe play maybe slightly out of position is that the only way you can defend wanting that bum Ben Simmons -- really that just shows you have no argument to make and you want to be lazy about it.

This is what you want in Ben Simmons this is is stat line for this past year

GP - MPG - FG% - 3PT% - FT% - Orb - DRB - TRB - AST - STL - BLK - TOV - PPG
42 - 26.29 - 0.566 - 0.000 - 0.439 - 0.95 - 5.31 - 6.26 - 6.10 - 1.29 - 0.57 - 2.31 - 6.93

You want this on the Blazers and to boot you get his contract for TWO more seasons at 37.8 and 40.3 million per season this is really what you want for this team. Now I have heard maybe it would be worth it if the Nets throw in 2 or 3 of there 1st's over the next few seasons and sure maybe ( doubt it ) that would make it worth it to a degree . However the Nets think they can start to make noise / contend again in the next two or 3 seasons that they might be willing to THROW AWAY first round picks to get this ass clown off there team. If the Blazers really hope to maybe turn it around how does this help the Blazers when another team basically told ya he is worthless so how does this help turn the Blazers around unless this owner does not really care about winning and just wants to tread water until she has to sell the team.

 

[illmatic99]

So Dallas basically gifted us an MLE? Sweet.

To those not willing to trade Matisse to Dallas though (because I think that's a distinct possibility, when possible...) you wouldn't have traded Matisse for the 11th pick in the draft? Really?

Unfortunately not really much left in free agency that we can use our MLE on.

Also, can we atart absorbing players with our exceptions yet or does that start next summer?

 

[wizenheimer]

if Joe doesn’t match, he’s dumber than I thought.

this could be a Vulcan decision rather than Cronin

 

[wizenheimer]

Bam!

more compelling evidence that Cronin and Woj have each other on page 1 of their contact lists

 

[glazeduck]

Unfortunately not really much left in free agency that we can use our MLE on.

Also, can we atart absorbing players with our exceptions yet or does that start next summer?

Yeah, very obviously we we were not interested in being a player in free agency. Having the full MLE gives us a lot of flexibility though. Who knows what shakes loose in the Euro league or a surprise cut or something? Also yes, now that the new CBA has been ratified, I believe we can use it as a defacto trade exception, which, given that we're talking about trading 80% of last year's starting lineup, also very probably does not hurt...

 

[glazeduck]

more compelling evidence that Cronin and Woj have each other on page 1 of their contact lists

Woj and Neil were tight, so I'm sure a lot of that relationship was rolled over to Joe...

 

[blazerkor]

Do not even joke about Ben Simmons -- I think the Blazers would rather Have Herro then Simmons who is such a lost cause as a player it's not even funny it's borderline sad. I do not get how some fans still think Ben Simmons can still be fixed he is the worst contract in the NBA by a country mile and it's not even close. I would rather have Westbrick from last year and have that deal still have a couple years on it then his deal and I hate Westbrick so that says something.

I think we'd rather have Simmons and picks and/or rights to Clowny/Whitehead and be able to offload Nurk possibly, than take on Herro and nothing else. We wouldn't expect to get much out of Simmons but if we did it would be a happy surprise.

 

[glazeduck]

I think we'd rather have Simmons and picks and/or rights to Clowny/Whitehead and be able to offload Nurk possibly, than take on Herro and nothing else. We wouldn't expect to get much out of Simmons but if we did it would be a happy surprise.

Any trade concept that doesn't have another team paying a decent price to get Herro is dead on arrival, in my opinion, for two reasons:

1. Blazers CANNOT take him -- it's not that they don't want to, its' that we're already struggling to get value for our version of him, we can't and won't be willing to duplicate those efforts just to get a crappy deal done.
2. The Heat are already scraping the bottom of their asset barrel to get to something we'd even consider. If they're having to pay someone to take Herro, that's even fewer assets they can trade us. If there's already not enough available assets to get to us for Dame, making that pie smaller to find a Herro taker is moving them in the wrong direction.

 

[Natebishop3]

Any trade concept that doesn't have another team paying a decent price to get Herro is dead on arrival, in my opinion, for two reasons:

1. Blazers CANNOT take him -- it's not that they don't want to, its' that we're already struggling to get value for our version of him, we can't and won't be willing to duplicate those efforts just to get a crappy deal done.
2. The Heat are already scraping the bottom of their asset barrel to get to something we'd even consider. If they're having to pay someone to take Herro, that's even fewer assets they can trade us. If there's already not enough available assets to get to us for Dame, making that pie smaller to find a Herro taker is moving them in the wrong direction.

Yeah can you imagine trying to move Herro AND Simons?

 

[Whyachi]

did Cuban just Pritchslap the Blazers ??

a slight overpay to keep Matisse

now we know why Watford got cut

 

[glazeduck]

Yeah can you imagine trying to move Herro AND Simons?

Absolute non-starter.

I'm intrigued by the teams Woj is reporting are willing to give up "a good first +", though...

 

[illmatic99]

Wait, they gave him a no-trade clause?

 

[RR7]

Wait, they gave him a no-trade clause?

No, that's just standard in a matched offer sheet

 

[Whyachi]

more compelling evidence that Cronin and Woj have each other on page 1 of their contact lists

it's Schmitz, he was Woj's apprentice at Draft Kings

 

[illmatic99]

No, that's just standard in a matched offer sheet

Veto power? Is that only valid for a year or throughout the duration?

 

[JDC]

Veto power? Is that only valid for a year or throughout the duration?

1 year. It's right there in the tweet lol

 

[illmatic99]

1 year. It's right there in the tweet lol

I thought the 1 yr was referring to the rule about not trading to Dallas. But the veto... Wasnt sure. We dealt Allen Crabbe to BK after a similar deadline a few seasons ago.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Wait, they gave him a no-trade clause?

I mean, sure, they "have" the full 12.4M available (in that it hasn't been used), but you are hard-capped by the apron if you use any of it. So they only "have" 9M usable of the MLE, until or unless they move some other money.