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Rhal said:
They can have all 3 1st Nurkic, and there pick of Crabbe/Leonard/Harkless/Turner/Paul Allens yacht for Drummond.
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But so they get the helicopters and mini-subs that go with Paul's yacht? Might be a deal breaker if they aren't included.
 
Can only trade Nurkic alone within 3 months of acquiring him I believe according to the CBA. Not that I think we are looking to do that.
 
I think now there won't be a big trade at the deadline (like for Butler). Our best chance to get an impact player is to get into the top five in the lottery and be able to have that as a trade asset, and to have that a guarantee, not something that might happen. This will also take another year off a bad contract like Leonard's and hopefully we can trade it for a second round pick. Not to mention establish Vonleh value and make Crabbe easier to trade. So Olshey won't make a trade now unless someone insists on giving us something good.
 
We do. That's effectively two picks plus Crabbe for Vucevic which is way, way too much.
 
Why go after vucevic when we have Nurkic?
 
I guess we could also trade him.
 
I've never watched him play. It seems like they're both best suited to guard other centers though.
 
One thing to keep in mind when talking trades is that Dame is 26, quickly on his way to 27, and CJ is a year younger. Nurkic is nice, but he is 22. When he is in his prime, what will Dame and CJ be as players?
 
Mediocre Man said:
One thing to keep in mind when talking trades is that Dame is 26, quickly on his way to 27, and CJ is a year younger. Nurkic is nice, but he is 22. When he is in his prime, what will Dame and CJ be as players?
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Still not playing defense? Right answer?

Honestly the Blazers seem to be in a bit of a squeeze. Plan A seems to have failed and Plan B, if there is one, seems to cross generations. Nurkic has enough skills now to likely help before his prime and during Dame and CJs too. I would guess that NO is looking for talent like that, that is young, but has enough years to be able to actually play now (un-Leonards). This is why I would guess someone like Noel would be appealing.

It seems like they are at a fork in the road now. I would guess they want to leverage all those first rounders into players like Noel and others just at the beginning of their prime. But, if they can't get those guys, then you draft the best you can and punt the decision down the road. If you draft wisely you can always leverage those players. But If you can't leverage, then at some point you have to reset the clock--likely at the end of Dame's contract.
 
Reep said:
Honestly the Blazers seem to be in a bit of a squeeze. Plan A seems to have failed
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I'm quoting you just out of convenience, since it is the most recent, versus grabbing an older comment I keep meaning to address. I keep seeing people writing about how our free agency last year failed, how Neil was wrong, how he made a mistake, etc. Neil's plan, it seems, all along, was rebuilding around Damian and CJ. And it wasn't expected to be an immediate turn around, but a 2-4 year plan. Unfortunately for perception, year 1 we greatly overachieved, and it shifted expectations. Of fans, media, maybe even the team. But we still weren't expected to be any sort of true title contender this season, especially in his long term view.

We signed all of our free agents specifically to retain assets. Not because we thought we had a finished product, and let's lock it all in, and go up against GS. And Neil mentioned that multiple times, not letting assets walk away for free. Fans complained about it because we were in cap hell. But the options were lose them for nothing, or retain and use later. Now, we see rumors coming about interest in Crabbe, Mason being moved, interest in Harkless, and people think the offseason was a failure somehow. The goal was to retain assets to use later. And that is potentially happening not out of failure, but out of design. If Crabbe is swapped for anything, who knows if he will be, or for what, then that doesn't signify that signing him was bad, it's the exact opposite. That we kept him around to use in a later swap to get something else we wanted that we couldn't get in free agency.
 
Beat writer Doug Smith is reporting that while Toronto does not want to trade any of their young players, they would be willing to move Jared Sullinger and a 2017 first-round pick.

League sources insist Toronto will not give away any more young assets such as Delon Wright, Jakob Poeltl, Lucas Nogueira, Pascal Siakam, Norm Powell or Fred VanVleet, but that doesn’t mean a package can’t be put together," writes Smith in the Toronto Star. Smith adds that the Raps could be in the market for "an offensively creative big small forward." Sullinger, who is on a one-year deal worth $5.6 million, has fallen completely out of the Raptors rotation.
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If we were interested (since we have to come close to matching salaries) it would have to be either Aminu, Festus or Ed going out (alone, not combined). Sounds like they would have the most interest in Aminu.
 
I think the plan is to try to parlay the 3 picks into a player like Butler/George/DMC. For that reason, I think any trade we make before the deadline will be with the idea of obtaining more assets to make the Butler/George/DMC trade on Draft Day.

We're not going to trade Dame/CJ for any of those players. Adding one of them to Dame/CJ/Nurkic should be enough to make us a power in the WC - especially if GSW falls apart due to contract situations. It also gives us a core of great players just entering their prime AND youth in Nurkic/Harkless (if we don't have to trade him) to hopefully sustain a strong roster into Dame's 30s.

We know that there's bad blood between Butler and CHI, and between DMC and SAC. It's only a matter of time before George gets fed up with IND. I think it's all but given that at least one of those players (Butler) will be on another team next season. It might take a little while longer for George/DMC to split from their teams, but I'd guess at least one of them gets moved by next season's Trade Deadline.
 
RR7 said:
I'm quoting you just out of convenience, since it is the most recent, versus grabbing an older comment I keep meaning to address. I keep seeing people writing about how our free agency last year failed, how Neil was wrong, how he made a mistake, etc. Neil's plan, it seems, all along, was rebuilding around Damian and CJ. And it wasn't expected to be an immediate turn around, but a 2-4 year plan. Unfortunately for perception, year 1 we greatly overachieved, and it shifted expectations. Of fans, media, maybe even the team. But we still weren't expected to be any sort of true title contender this season, especially in his long term view.

We signed all of our free agents specifically to retain assets. Not because we thought we had a finished product, and let's lock it all in, and go up against GS. And Neil mentioned that multiple times, not letting assets walk away for free. Fans complained about it because we were in cap hell. But the options were lose them for nothing, or retain and use later. Now, we see rumors coming about interest in Crabbe, Mason being moved, interest in Harkless, and people think the offseason was a failure somehow. The goal was to retain assets to use later. And that is potentially happening not out of failure, but out of design. If Crabbe is swapped for anything, who knows if he will be, or for what, then that doesn't signify that signing him was bad, it's the exact opposite. That we kept him around to use in a later swap to get something else we wanted that we couldn't get in free agency.
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So much this
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Beat writer Doug Smith is reporting that while Toronto does not want to trade any of their young players, they would be willing to move Jared Sullinger and a 2017 first-round pick.



If we were interested (since we have to come close to matching salaries) it would have to be either Aminu, Festus or Ed going out (alone, not combined). Sounds like they would have the most interest in Aminu.
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Even though TOR's pick won't be great, it is another asset. I'd gladly trade Aminu for Sullinger/Pick - cuts another $7.5M from our salary and gives us a 4th pick!
 
blue9 said:
I think the plan is to try to parlay the 3 picks into a player like Butler/George/DMC. For that reason, I think any trade we make before the deadline will be with the idea of obtaining more assets to make the Butler/George/DMC trade on Draft Day.

We're not going to trade Dame/CJ for any of those players. Adding one of them to Dame/CJ/Nurkic should be enough to make us a power in the WC - especially if GSW falls apart due to contract situations. It also gives us a core of great players just entering their prime AND youth in Nurkic/Harkless (if we don't have to trade him) to hopefully sustain a strong roster into Dame's 30s.

We know that there's bad blood between Butler and CHI, and between DMC and SAC. It's only a matter of time before George gets fed up with IND. I think it's all but given that at least one of those players (Butler) will be on another team next season. It might take a little while longer for George/DMC to split from their teams, but I'd guess at least one of them gets moved by next season's Trade Deadline.
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Those three picks won't be enough to land butler, especially if Boston offers up that Brooklyn pick. Cousins is almost 100% staying in Sacramento. I doubt it's enough to land George either, I mean come on, two of those picks will be in the 20s. First round picks are valuable, but they're not THAT valuable.

Oh and we'd have to match salaries as well.
 
blue9 said:
I think the plan is to try to parlay the 3 picks into a player like Butler/George/DMC. For that reason, I think any trade we make before the deadline will be with the idea of obtaining more assets to make the Butler/George/DMC trade on Draft Day.

We're not going to trade Dame/CJ for any of those players. Adding one of them to Dame/CJ/Nurkic should be enough to make us a power in the WC - especially if GSW falls apart due to contract situations. It also gives us a core of great players just entering their prime AND youth in Nurkic/Harkless (if we don't have to trade him) to hopefully sustain a strong roster into Dame's 30s.

We know that there's bad blood between Butler and CHI, and between DMC and SAC. It's only a matter of time before George gets fed up with IND. I think it's all but given that at least one of those players (Butler) will be on another team next season. It might take a little while longer for George/DMC to split from their teams, but I'd guess at least one of them gets moved by next season's Trade Deadline.
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I can see Butler. George and DMC not happening though.

DMC specifically isn't turning down 219 MIL to sign for max of 120 MIL somewhere else. That is difference he can get from SAC vs other teams. Almost 100 MIL!!! Wow.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...amento-kings-says-intends-sign-extension-team
 
RR7 said:
I'm quoting you just out of convenience, since it is the most recent, versus grabbing an older comment I keep meaning to address. I keep seeing people writing about how our free agency last year failed, how Neil was wrong, how he made a mistake, etc.
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Just to be clear, I don't fault Neil for the summer free agency and agree he couldn't let assets go for nothing and had to take a flyer on Turner or get nothing. My comment is that he took a chance that that mix could make up for the perimeter defensive deficiencies of Dame and CJ, and I would suggest that there is no data to believe that the current mix (pre-Nurkic) would be able to do that. As such, he should move to Plan B. In my mind Neil's main job is to see if there is some combination of defensive players who can blanance that guards lack of defense to make an overall decent defensive team. Right now that should be his focus. He has a couple years to play with that and then will likely have to move to Plan C.
 
blue9 said:
Even though TOR's pick won't be great, it is another asset. I'd gladly trade Aminu for Sullinger/Pick - cuts another $7.5M from our salary and gives us a 4th pick!
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I'd do that too. Also, Evan Turner and Sullinger have chemistry, they were both a big part of bostons second unit last year.
 
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