Merged: The Draft Thread For Stuff About The Draft Including Thoughts About The Draft

[JDC]

Lol. Get the popcorn out....

Wow--crazy how things change. Linked from that article was another that listed the top 5 PG recruits for 2016. On that list: Smith, Fox, Ball, and now 2nd-round prospects Frank Jackson and Kobi Simmons. Not on that list--presumptive #1 pick Markelle Fultz.

Anyways, I think Frank Jackson is criminally underrated. Didn't get to handle the ball much this year with Allen, Kennard and Tatum on that Duke team and sure, his lead guard skills skills / situational awareness needs work, but he has electric burst off the dribble and although he doesn't have much side to side shake to his game, change of speed / deception is really all you need at that point. People also worry about the fact he's a two foot leaper but we've seen guards that lack pop off one still become extremely effective finishers. He'll just need to continue to develop his speed finishes and floater game, much like we've seen with our guy Dame (also a two foot leaper).

Add that to his ability to already shoot off the dribble w/ range and you have the makings of a really dynamic lead scoring guard in the mold of....gasp....Damian Lillard.

It's obviously not likely he reaches that ceiling but he has the tools/skills/playstyle required to have the opportunity to be that type of player.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Lol. Get the popcorn out....


Anyways, I think Frank Jackson is criminally underrated. Didn't get to handle the ball much this year with Allen, Kennard, Tatum on that Duke team and sure, his lead guard skills still needs work but he has electric burst off the dribble and although he doesn't have much side to side shake to his game, change of speed is really all you need.

Add that to his ability to already shoot off the dribble w/ range and you have the makings of a really dynamic lead scoring guard in the mold of....gasp....Damian Lillard. It's obviously not likely he reaches that ceiling but he has the tools/skills/playstyle required to have the opportunity to be that type of player.

So what you're saying is that if a particular poster (not naming names) thinks we need a third combo guard to form a three-guard rotation with Dame and CJ, that poster should be advocating the Blazers trade down to obtain additional assets and draft Jackson, rather than trade up to draft Smith?

Not a terrible plan.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I am all on OG Anunoby bandwagon now. Boy looks athletic, looks like he can develop his shot to a respectable level and will be a very good defender.

When our three 2017 draft acquisitions are knocking it down in 2020 NBA Finals I am going to quote this post.

Interesting...same school as Vonleh, do they play the same position? OG is a little shorter with a slightly shorter reach. Can he play SF?

Edit: Ok I just watched his video. He looks pretty damn good. Looks to be able to be the type of pF who can guard the perimeter and battle down low just enough to be effective. Poor mans Draymond Green?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/OG-Anunoby-93246/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/

 

[JDC]

So what you're saying is that if a particular poster (not naming names) thinks we need a third combo guard to form a three-guard rotation with Dame and CJ, that poster should be advocating the Blazers trade down to obtain additional assets and draft Jackson, rather than trade up to draft Smith?

Not a terrible plan.

I honestly wouldn't be against that at all. But ultimately I think people we'll see his talent shine in workouts and he'll go inside the top 20. And at that point, I'd value better fits closely enough to look elsewhere.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Interesting...same school as Vonleh, do they play the same position? OG is a little shorter with a slightly shorter reach. Can he play SF?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/OG-Anunoby-93246/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/

OG's definitely a 3 (IMO), and his teammate this past year Thomas Bryant is a 4/5 that I like a lot as well.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Bryant-7231/

 

[BonesJones]

I honestly wouldn't be against that at all. But ultimately I think people we'll see his talent shine in workouts and he'll go inside the top 20. And at that point, I'd value better fits closely enough to look elsewhere.

I see him going to MIL at 18. They need a PG and his skillset fits them well

 

[Pinwheel1]

OG's definitely a 3 (IMO), and his teammate this past year Thomas Bryant is a 4/5 that I like a lot as well.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Bryant-7231/

After watching his video and looking at his measurables....he reminds me of Draymond Green. With a longer standing reach and maybe better hops.
I think he is a combo forward for sure. Especially with all the small ball being played

 

[BonesJones]

Lol. Get the popcorn out....


Anyways, I think Frank Jackson is criminally underrated. Didn't get to handle the ball much this year with Allen, Kennard and Tatum on that Duke team and sure, his lead guard skills skills / situational awareness needs work, but he has electric burst off the dribble and although he doesn't have much side to side shake to his game, change of speed / deception is really all you need at that point. People also worry about the fact he's a two foot leaper but we've seen guards that lack pop off one still become extremely effective finishers. He'll just need to continue to develop his speed finishes and floater game, much like we've seen with our guy Dame (also a two foot leaper).

Add that to his ability to already shoot off the dribble w/ range and you have the makings of a really dynamic lead scoring guard in the mold of....gasp....Damian Lillard.

It's obviously not likely he reaches that ceiling but he has the tools/skills/playstyle required to have the opportunity to be that type of player.

I think her have a great chance of reaching his ceiling here. I rally want a young 3rd guard for Lillard and CJ to mentor.

I don't want to consolidate a ton of assets for one though. Jackson, Dozier, or Sumner will do.

 

[BBert]

I like him too, but what happened to him last year concerned me. How does a 27-year-old NBA player suddenly get significantly worse at every aspect of the game? Are we banking on him returning to the form he showed in 2015-16? If he performs like he did last year, we are undoubtedly better off even with a rookie filling his spot.

I thought Ed's diminished performance was related to his injury, which ultimately shut him down later in the season? No?

 

[BonesJones]

Also I didn't say I know everything, I said I understand basketball better than everybody which is not very far fetched.

No you don't. Not even close. It's more far fetched than your idea of bringing back Greg Oden last year.

What's the highest level you've played at?
How much basketball do you watch?
Have you ever coached?
Have you ever worked out with an NBA trainer?
How is it you "understand" basketball better than everybody, when you're probably not qualified enough to be a high school assistant coach?

That's the type of crap I have a problem with. You coming on the board and insulting everyone by saying you "understand" and "know more basketball" than anyone on here then coming up with ideas such as "Bring back Greg Oden". Other people probably don't care, but it annoys me. You say we should trade up for a prospect that you don't know anything about. You didn't know he injured his ACL his senior year. You've likely never watched any full game action of his. Hell, you don't even watch Blazer games, and you admitted it! And then you try to tell everyone else what "positions" each player is, but it's not even based off a decent sample size of observation, cuz you don't watch games!

Look. I didn't really talk to you. You decided to respond to my post, I can do without your comments if you're looking to pick up a fight with me.

You said you understand and know more basketball than everyone here, and then consistently prove those statements wrong. That's on you.

If he's had an ACL injury fine, didn't know that, but he sure looks healthy to me.

Obviously he doesn't have an ACL injury when he's playing...

If you disagree with me, that's OK. I can even be wrong sometimes (rarely) but if you're looking to call me out, that's not really what I'm looking for

Lmao. Crap like that from a dude that suggests we bring back Greg Oden, sign Warren Gillis, doesn't watch games but thinks he knows more than everyone is why you get called out.

 

[BonesJones]

I thought Ed's diminished performance was related to his injury, which ultimately shut him down later in the season? No?

As well as the added weight. He's biggest strength was his quickness and energy. The added weight diminished that, and the weight isn't a strength for a player that plays the way he does.

 

[Blazer4ever]

No you don't. Not even close. It's more far fetched than your idea of bringing back Greg Oden last year.

What's the highest level you've played at?
How much basketball do you watch?
Have you ever coached?
Have you ever worked out with an NBA trainer?
How is it you "understand" basketball better than everybody, when you're probably not qualified enough to be a high school assistant coach?

That's the type of crap I have a problem with. You coming on the board and insulting everyone by saying you "understand" and "know more basketball" than anyone on here then coming up with ideas such as "Bring back Greg Oden". Other people probably don't care, but it annoys me. You say we should trade up for a prospect that you don't know anything about. You didn't know he injured his ACL his senior year. You've likely never watched any full game action of his. Hell, you don't even watch Blazer games, and you admitted it! And then you try to tell everyone else what "positions" each player is, but it's not even based off a decent sample size of observation, cuz you don't watch games!


You said you understand and know more basketball than everyone here, and then consistently prove those statements wrong. That's on you.


Obviously he doesn't have an ACL injury when he's playing...
Lmao. Crap like that from a dude that suggests we bring back Greg Oden, sign Warren Gillis, doesn't watch games but thinks he knows more than everyone is why you get called out.

Yawn.
You watched Warren Gillis?
You didn't even watch the highlights of Dennis Smith I posted.
I know basketball better than most people here and "most" is when I don't even watch the games. The Blazers went downhill when I stopped watching.
You want us to select 3 scrubs and Dennis Smith to become an All Star for me to prove I know more basketball than you? It would be unfortunate but whatever.
What's annoying to you isn't my problem, if you're jealous of me being a badketball genius this is once again your problem, not mine.
Stop replying to my posts if they're annoying you. Put me on ignore but don't waste my time. I can share with you that I too am frustrated by having to explain myself and convince people who are far inferior to me in terms of basketball knowledge.
I'm frustrated that TRob isn't a Blazer, frustrated that this team doesn't win without me, frustrated that we would probably waste our picks on 3 scrubs instead of using them to draft an All Star.
But my frustrations are my own problem, I don't blame them on you or anyone else in particular.
If you wish to continue this discussion be my guest, but since I'm going to sleep you'd have to wait a few hours to my response, so you can just use your disrespect for my opinions to put me on ignore

 

[Blazer4ever]

And to answer your question about my basketball experience, I'm a great playground player but an even better soccer player. The few people in the world better than me in Soccer are millionaires

 

[BonesJones]

Yawn.
You watched Warren Gillis?
You didn't even watch the highlights of Dennis Smith I posted.

Are you insane? I've watched him in full games. Have you? No. You're the type of person to decide a HS player will be good in the NBA based off of his "BallisLife" mixtape.

I know basketball better than most people here and "most" is when I don't even watch the games. The Blazers went downhill when I stopped watching.

Lmao. You one of the least knowledgeable posters on this board. Didn't want to say it but because you keep acting like you're far and away better than everyone here.

You want us to select 3 scrubs and Dennis Smith to become an All Star for me to prove I know more basketball than you? It would be unfortunate but whatever.
What's annoying to you isn't my problem, if you're jealous of me being a badketball genius this is once again your problem, not mine.
Stop replying to my posts if they're annoying you. Put me on ignore but don't waste my time. I can share with you that I too am frustrated by having to explain myself and convince people who are far inferior to me in terms of basketball knowledge.
I'm frustrated that TRob isn't a Blazer, frustrated that this team doesn't win without me, frustrated that we would probably waste our picks on 3 scrubs instead of using them to draft an All Star.
But my frustrations are my own problem, I don't blame them on you or anyone else in particular.
If you wish to continue this discussion be my guest, but since I'm going to sleep you'd have to wait a few hours to my response, so you can just use your disrespect tomy opinions to putme on ignore

Based on previous posts, I'm leaning towards you being serious with this crap. If you are, then your out of your god damn mind.

 

[BonesJones]

And to answer your question about my basketball experience, I'm a great playground player but an even better soccer player. The few people in the world better than me in Soccer are millionaires

Lmao. You have no organized basketball experience but you think you understand basketball better than everyone here. Meanwhile there's people here that have played organized ball for years, probably a few that have played college ball (I have). But you're telling all these people that you understand basketball better than them, when you're basketball experience is "playground basketball", you judge prospects based off highlight tapes, and make judgements based off games that you don't watch?

Lmao. You're a very funny dude. Notice the absence of green font. This shit is comical.

 

[BonesJones]

Draft Predictions:
1.) Boston takes Fultz
2.) Lakers trade 2nd pick, 2020 1st, Julius Randle, and Luol Deng to Chicago for Jimmy Butler
Chicago takes Josh Jackson
3.) Philadelphia trades 3 and 50 to ORL for 6, 25, and 33. PHI wants Monk or Smith
Orlando takes Jayson Tatum
4.) Pheonix takes De'Aaron Fox (another Kentucky guard)
5.) Sacremento takes Lonzo Ball (LOL).

 

[PDXFonz]

I would say those are "bold" predictions.

I wouldn't expect two of the top 3 picks to be traded. I'm not sure any of them will be traded. If one of the top 3 are traded I think the Lakers make the most sense. Philly is full of young players with the next step being making the playoffs. A fresh out of college potential star would fit their trajectory.

 

[BonesJones]

I would say those are "bold" predictions.

I wouldn't expect two of the top 3 picks to be traded. I'm not sure any of them will be traded. If one of the top 3 are traded I think the Lakers make the most sense. Philly is full of young players with the next step being making the playoffs. A fresh out of college potential star would fit their trajectory.

I think it makes sense for Philadelphia to trade down, because they don't need another SF and Fox doesn't provide the shooting they need.

I think the Lakers will go after Butler, while trying to shed Deng or Mozgovs contract. That will still allow them to pursue a star like Griffin this summer, and then look torwards George next summer.

 

[BonesJones]

Justin Jackson says he wants to looks forward to growing a family with his soon-to-be wife in the place he gets drafted, and he wants to change the world and make it a better place.

Portland is perfect for you Justin.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Knowing that LaVar is going to get his wish - Lakers - makes me want to club baby seals ...with golden retriever puppies.

 

[damianlillard]

even though he's not in this draft, the blazers should take borisa simanic in next year draft. that kid has a sweet shooting form, good post moves, and has no fear while playing good defense

 

[rotary111]

If Ball goes anywhere but the Fakers i'm gonna die laughing. The farther he drops the better.

 

[JDC]

Justin Jackson says he wants to looks forward to growing a family with his soon-to-be wife in the place he gets drafted, and he wants to change the world and make it a better place.

Portland is perfect for you Justin.

Ugh. Hopefully Jordan falls in love with him and takes him at #11. Taller Matt Barnes with less bounce but more shooting versatility is his top end outcome imo.

 

[PDXFonz]

If Ball goes anywhere but the Fakers i'm gonna die laughing. The farther he drops the better.

I kinda want him to land there though, he could set them back.

 

[BonesJones]

Ugh. Hopefully Jordan falls in love with him and takes him at #11. Taller Matt Barnes with less bounce but more shooting versatility is his top end outcome imo.

Lol. A 1st round prospect you don't like? Shocker.

 

[JDC]

Lol. A 1st round prospect you don't like? Shocker.

I like Justin Jackson, just not at #15. I've made numerous posts making the same point.

Not enough wings and too many forgettable bigs have pushed him up media draft boards. I think most teams understand that he doesn't return great value until the mid 20s, but too many teams are looking for playable wings right now for him to fall into that range most likely.

What do you think his upside is?

 

[BonesJones]

I like Justin Jackson, just not at #15. I've made numerous posts making the same point.

Not enough wings and too many forgettable bigs have pushed him up media draft boards. I think most teams understand that he doesn't return great value until the mid 20s, but too many teams are looking for playable wings right now for him to fall into that range most likely.

What do you think his upside is?

A high volume 40% 3pt shooter with an efficient in between game (his floater is good). I also think he'll offer solid defense with above average ball handling and passing for the SF position..

 

[JDC]

A high volume 40% 3pt shooter with an efficient in between game (his floater is good). I also think he'll offer solid defense with above average ball handling and passing for the SF position..

I guess I'd just like to see a bigger splash be made. Finding a rotation wing is fine at #15, better than expected even, but I think his shaky tools and just so so production doesn't make that a super safe bet to me.

 

[BonesJones]

I guess I'd just like to see a bigger splash be made. Finding a rotation wing is fine at #15, better than expected even, but I think his shaky tools and just so so production doesn't make that a super safe bet to me.

So so production?

He was ACC POY.

If Crabbe was bigger and could dribble, pass, defend, and drive better, he'd be extremely valuable. That's Justin Jackson.

 

[Trackjack]

We have to look for players that fits the offense system that also can play D. To me Jackson fills that need. He is a 3 that can make the 3 point shot something that our 3's have problems with right now. Plus he can shoot off the dribble that what we need right now. One thing he needs to do is to get stronger. He has got better every year in college due to he work at his game. If he there at 15 I would draft him. Plus Olshey has the habit to draft a player with 3 or 4 years in playing college than some younger player. Remember when he draft young he got ML that hasn't gone to well. Not saying he wont but his success been with older college players. Looks who he his bring in Thorwell 4 years Dillion 3 years Rabb 2 years Ferguson 1 year overseas Pro.