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Cugel said:
I like the idea of Brown to Houston and their stuff to POR. Still not clear what is going on with Boston though.
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Contracts don’t work, I don’t think.
 
Samuel said:
Contracts don’t work, I don’t think.
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Boston would also need to send us another contract like Horford, and Houston would probably need to send us Kevin Porter
 
Lately the "pick swaps" have been more and more included in the crappy package the Heat would send to Portland. But except for making the list of "assets" longer, what a 2024 pick bring to us? Absolutely nothing, Same for 2026 with Dame still in a somewhat prime + Bam and Butler still under contract. If we are able to see this, I know that Joe can too. So I won't fall for this 10 items shopping list with 8 crappy stuffs
 
SwissBlazer said:
Lately the "pick swaps" have been more and more included in the crappy package the Heat would send to Portland. But except for making the list of "assets" longer, what a 2024 pick bring to us? Absolutely nothing, Same for 2026 with Dame still in a somewhat prime + Bam and Butler still under contract. If we are able to see this, I know that Joe can too. So I won't fall for this 10 items shopping list with 8 crappy stuffs
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Yeah when Shams mentioned 2nds I started laughing.
 
Idog1976 said:
Brown is a two-way player who is 25. The problem I have is do you play Brown or Sharpe at the SF? I don't like either at SF, but LOVE either at SG. If we have overlap there, then flipping Brown to a 3rd team for young talented players and picks seems way better given Scoot and Sharpe are the same age and IMO Sharpe has a significantly higher upside, especially since I'd press Boston for Brown plus additional asset(s).
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Brown is not 25. He turns 27 in a few months when the season starts.

He's closer to Dames age than Scoot. With a game reliant on athleticism I don't expect him to age super well. His timeline matches up much closer to Dame, who should age well with his shooting, than Scoot.

Brown will probably still be effective for his next contract. But towards the end of that deal he probably will be where Paul George is now where you don't really want to be giving him another big long deal.

If we were trying to win with him now that'd be great. But we might be 5 years away or even longer if this rebuild doesn't work.
 
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Whyachi said:
there's good teams with worse future assets that Lillard could have demanded a trade to. Phoenix, Lakers, what would one 1st, 5 2nd rounders + multiple junk contracts trade for Lillard look like?

Blazers still have their own first round pick. That's the most important part of a rebuild.
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Only if you're trying to tank forever in a "process". If not, swapping (or even trading your picks for other franchises' potentially inferior ones) can work, especially if you think you're able to develop young players (and a small market team better be able to. That's one of the more significant failings of the Olshey regime--of which there are legion--but trading away picks for vets and hoping they both a) work and b) re-sign with the team) hamstrung POR for most of a decade).
 
KingSpeed said:
Haha he wouldn’t give up Bam for Embiid! Talk about a homer. He forgets his team barely made the play-in. The regular season is a grind. Heat aren’t as good as they think they are.
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If Giannis doesn't break his back and MIA loses in the first round, are we even discussing this trade right now?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Will be interesting to find out who the 3rd and or 4th teams are
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They don't exist!

If there's presumably 'no other suitors' for a top 75 player, why would there be meaningful (read: put assets on the table) suitors for Herro?
 
Those Miami unprotected picks in 2028 and 2030 along with a 2029 swap could be a gold mine. This talk of "they will only be late picks" etc is very shortsighted.

Jimmy Butler turns 34 in September. Will he still be an elite player, or even in the league at the age of 39, 40 and 41?
Damian Lillard is 33. Will he likewise be an elite player at 38, 39, and 40?
Pat Riley is 78 today. When he's 83, 84, and 85 do you really think he'll still be a shrewd executive?
The Heat will be in the luxury tax for the years ahead with little way to add or develop young talent to the roster. Not adding young talent will push them to the bottom of the standing as their stars decline.

Look at the last two veterans the Blazers traded away for unprotected picks - Telfair was traded for a single Boston pick - that became Brandon Roy. Gerald Wallace was traded for a single Nets pick, that became Damian Lillard.

Have 3-4+ of those picks could end up being one of the greatest asset returns in the history of Blazer trades!
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Those Miami unprotected picks in 2028 and 2030 along with a 2029 swap could be a gold mine. This talk of "they will only be late picks" etc is very shortsighted.

Jimmy Butler turns 34 in September. Will he still be an elite player, or even in the league at the age of 39, 40 and 41?
Damian Lillard is 33. Will he likewise be an elite player at 38, 39, and 40?
Pat Riley is 78 today. When he's 83, 84, and 85 do you really think he'll still be a shrewd executive?
The Heat will be in the luxury tax for the years ahead with little way to add or develop young talent to the roster. Not adding young talent will push them to the bottom of the standing as their stars decline.

Look at the last two veterans the Blazers traded away for unprotected picks - Telfair was traded for a single Boston pick - that became Brandon Roy. Gerald Wallace was traded for a single Nets pick, that became Damian Lillard.

Have 3-4+ of those picks could end up being one of the greatest asset returns in the history of Blazer trades!
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Getting 3-4 picks 5,6,7 years from now does not guarantee that two of them will be lottery, let alone top 7

And even if you get top 7s, chances are low you draft Brandon Roy and Damian Lillard

And even if you draft Brandon Roy and Damian Lillard, there's no guarantee you are still the GM, esp is you lose Shae and/or Scoot by then

That is why it is important to get a piece or two now in any Dame trade that compliments Shae and Scoot, in addition to future draft capital
 
inconceivable said:
Getting 3-4 picks 5,6,7 years from now does not guarantee that two of them will be lottery, let alone top 7

And even if you get top 7s, chances are low you draft Brandon Roy and Damian Lillard

And even if you draft Brandon Roy and Damian Lillard, there's no guarantee you are still the GM, esp is you lose Shae and/or Scoot by then

That is why it is important to get a piece or two now in any Dame trade that compliments Shae and Scoot, in addition to future draft capital
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I agree. I think we've spent enough time in the kiddie pool and it's time to add a few veterans to the mix. The notion of continual dives into the lottery so that you fill up the roster with young guys "on the same timeline" just assures that nobody on the roster knows how to play NBA basketball until they're 5 or 6 years in and ready to try to force their way to a team that knows what the heck they're doing.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Brown is not 25. He turns 27 in a few months when the season starts.

He's closer to Dames age than Scoot. With a game reliant on athleticism I don't expect him to age super well. His timeline matches up much closer to Dame, who should age well with his shooting, than Scoot.

Brown will probably still be effective for his next contract. But towards the end of that deal he probably will be where Paul George is now where you don't really want to be giving him another big long deal.

If we were trying to win with him now that'd be great. But we might be 5 years away or even longer if this rebuild doesn't work.
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I thought he was 25, my bad time flies! All the more reason to trade him to Houston or onward elsewhere and get more young bucks and 1sts. Btw I'd ask BOS for a first along with Brown, Dame is that much better IMO.
 
SwissBlazer said:
Lately the "pick swaps" have been more and more included in the crappy package the Heat would send to Portland. But except for making the list of "assets" longer, what a 2024 pick bring to us? Absolutely nothing, Same for 2026 with Dame still in a somewhat prime + Bam and Butler still under contract. If we are able to see this, I know that Joe can too. So I won't fall for this 10 items shopping list with 8 crappy stuffs
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I don't trust any pick swaps with Miami. They have the ability to rebuild via free agency. They can get below the cap and then grab a difference-maker without giving up assets. I would have to assume they will rebuild on the fly.
 
Idog1976 said:
I was like holy shit Giannis broke his back how did I not hear that? I didn't hear it because it's false. Damn dude, dial back on the hyperbole, and this is coming from me!

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba...ry-update-bucks-heat/ajwxlmqq3ezhtkjmb3ekxq2j
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My fault, I did not expect anyone to take it other than a funnier way of saying "lower back contusion"...point still is up for debate, though. Not my intent to hyperbolize or try to fake someone out to advance an argument.
 
Natebishop3 said:
LOL making excuses for being a shill.....

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I have flipped through the various stations and come across him over the years. He just isn't my "cup of tea". I can see where some would like him, but his style is just too irritating to me for more than about 3 minutes. I bet he does well with Fans from NY/NJ and Miami where there are a lot of NYers, but not me.
 
e_blazer said:
I agree. I think we've spent enough time in the kiddie pool and it's time to add a few veterans to the mix. The notion of continual dives into the lottery so that you fill up the roster with young guys "on the same timeline" just assures that nobody on the roster knows how to play NBA basketball until they're 5 or 6 years in and ready to try to force their way to a team that knows what the heck they're doing.
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These are two different aspects here. One is what assets we get back in a Lillard trade. Two is what age players are up and down the Blazers 15 man roster.

I'd like the Blazers to primarily get picks back in a Lillard trade. I want to see Scoot/Sharpe/Ant develop this year and the Blazers build up their assets long term which most likely means getting some lottery picks the next few season. If the Blazers exceed expectations and make the playoffs that is great, but I'm not giving up the chance of future assets to try and get into the playoffs now.

Now when the Blazers go to fill out the roster after a Dame move I'd expect we have plenty of youth on this roster, so we should target veterans for the last roster spots to have a good mix of youth and vets.
 
e_blazer said:
I agree. I think we've spent enough time in the kiddie pool and it's time to add a few veterans to the mix. The notion of continual dives into the lottery so that you fill up the roster with young guys "on the same timeline" just assures that nobody on the roster knows how to play NBA basketball until they're 5 or 6 years in and ready to try to force their way to a team that knows what the heck they're doing.
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I agree with you but leadership for this organization believes in egregious tanking as its core ethos. Just hope they don't cost Scoot a chance at ROY by shutting him down too early.
 
illmatic99 said:
I agree with you but leadership for this organization believes in egregious tanking as its core ethos. Just hope they don't cost Scoot a chance at ROY by shutting him down too early.
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Being slightly more sympathetic to the current org, I think they've done the last two years what people on this board have been asking for for 15+...either be a contender or suck ("stay out of purgatory"). We started the last two years going for it--getting in vets like GP2, Grant, Powell, Hart, etc. When it started going downhill (Dame injury, other injuries, poor play from others, value increasing for some) the org pivoted to "sell for assets and tank for draft position" mode. I don't love it, but having Scoot/Shaedon/Murray/Rupert is objectively better and cheaper than having Hart, GP2, and whatever the #11 and #14 pick the last two years may have been. And Dame would almost certainly still be wanting out.

"Egregious tanking" would've been what SAS/DET/HOU have been doing. Starting the year with no semblance of roster construction and no hope for playoffs, but piling up losses for assets. At least SAS was still looking like a basketball team while tanking.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Now when the Blazers go to fill out the roster after a Dame move I'd expect we have plenty of youth on this roster, so we should target veterans for the last roster spots to have a good mix of youth and vets.
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I agree with this but I assume we will be bringing back 3 players in the trade. One vet and 2 youngsters. (Plus 2 picks)
 
BrianFromWA said:
Being slightly more sympathetic to the current org, I think they've done the last two years what people on this board have been asking for for 15+...either be a contender or suck ("stay out of purgatory"). We started the last two years going for it--getting in vets like GP2, Grant, Powell, Hart, etc. When it started going downhill (Dame injury, other injuries, poor play from others, value increasing for some) the org pivoted to "sell for assets and tank for draft position" mode. I don't love it, but having Scoot/Shaedon/Murray/Rupert is objectively better and cheaper than having Hart, GP2, and whatever the #11 and #14 pick the last two years may have been. And Dame would almost certainly still be wanting out.

"Egregious tanking" would've been what SAS/DET/HOU have been doing. Starting the year with no semblance of roster construction and no hope for playoffs, but piling up losses for assets. At least SAS was still looking like a basketball team while tanking.
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We can agree to disagree. I think a run through the play in would have kept Dame quiet for another yr. Whether that's beneficial to the team overall is debatable but that's not the discussion here.

I just don't like the whole hearted embrace of losing that we've fostered the past two years. It just leads to young guys building bad habits and reflects and overarching culture that losing is OK. And what exactly is it doing for Billups and his coaching education?

Don't get me wrong-- they were fully justified in doing it for Wemby, but given the gusto with which they pursued that strategy leads me to think they'll do it again this yr.
 
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