Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors (3 Viewers)

[PtldPlatypus]

Lol Haynes doesn't understand how negotiation works.

For the first time, I'm fully applauding Joe's approach here. Kick rocks, Riley.

I mean, if Portland were to say "exactly what they want", wouldn't that basically be "every pick you own, Jaquez, Jovic, Martin, and whatever assets you can get from other teams in Herro and Robinson trades"? Would that list honestly make it easier for Miami to figure out what they're willing to offer?

 

[illmatic99]

I mean, if Portland were to say "exactly what they want", wouldn't that basically be "every pick you own, Jaquez, Jovic, Martin, and whatever assets you can get from other teams in Herro and Robinson trades"? Would that list honestly make it easier for Miami to figure out what they're willing to offer?

We have said what we want-- Bam. As well as the "best offer." Cronin has also outlined what he's looking for in terms of young players and picks.

It's clear from me that the offer Miami is making now isn't even a good starting point.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

We have said what we want-- Bam. As well as the "best offer." Cronin has also outlined what he's looking for in terms of young players and picks.

It's clear from me that the offer Miami is making now isn't even a good starting point.

You don't like a bag of dog shit and a couple week old mini cupcakes?

I'm frustrated!

 

[illmatic99]

You don't like a bag of dog shit and a couple week old mini cupcakes?

I'm frustrated!

When you have a commodity you don't really want to lose that another party wants desperately, you ask them for their best offer. Then afterwards, you decide if that offer is even amenable to what you feel is worthy. You don't go telling them exactly what you want specifically -- rather you extract every single piece they're going to give up.

Haynes isn't even hiding that he is speaking for Miami here either which is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

When you have a commodity you don't really want to lose that another party wants desperately, you ask them for their best offer. Then afterwards, you decide if that offer is even amenable to what you feel is worthy. You don't go telling them exactly what you want specifically -- rather you extract every single piece they're going to give up.

Haynes isn't even hiding that he is speaking for Miami here either which is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Is le batard gonna attack Haynes over carrying the Heats agenda?

We both know the answer to that.

 

[RonBrewer]

Lol Haynes doesn't understand how negotiation works.

For the first time, I'm fully applauding Joe's approach here. Kick rocks, Riley.

So let me see if i understand this correctly, Haynes and Miami expect us to wipe their collective asses for them while they are taking a shit? You can't make this crap up

 

[Pinwheel1]

Portland should tell Miami who they want in return for Herro. The whole deal IMO hinges on that. However, the one problem I see from that is if someone like Haynes leaks it, and the 3rd team knows how desperately we want their player......the price then goes up. For example, if Portland were to say "We need Simmons in return instead of Herro".....what do you think the Nets are going to do? A pick or young player that would have gone to Portland, will then be redirected to Brooklyn.

I actually would be ok with giving up more if the player we get is worth it. But from a negotiating standpoint, it would be best if no one knew how badly we wanted the player.

 

[RonBrewer]

Portland should tell Miami who they want in return for Herro. The whole deal IMO hinges on that. However, the one problem I see from that is if someone like Haynes leaks it, and the 3rd team knows how desperately we want their player......the price then goes up. For example, if Portland were to say "We need Simmons in return instead of Herro".....what do you think the Nets are going to do? A pick or young player that would have gone to Portland, will then be redirected to Brooklyn.

I actually would be ok with giving up more if the player we get is worth it. But from a negotiating standpoint, it would be best if no one knew who we wanted.

IMHO- We don't want any trade from Miami. Everything is lip service. Joe is holding firm and Dame will either be a Blazer or shipped somewhere else. Dame and Co. made their play, it didn't work.

 

[Pinwheel1]

IMHO- We don't want any trade from Miami. Everything is lip service. Joe is holding firm and Dame will either be a Blazer or shipped somewhere else. Dame and Co. made their play, it didn't work.

I would certainly prefer cutting Miami out of it, but if they can deliver the player we want from a 3rd team.....I am ok with it.

 

[blazerkor]

I would do this, I don't know if Brooklyn would but they'd have to entertain the idea.


That being said if I was Brooklyn and I was in this kind of trade talk I would just call Joe and see if he would take Simmons, my two rookies and four future firsts for Dame:

 

[RonBrewer]

I would certainly prefer cutting Miami out of it, but if they can deliver the player we want from a 3rd team.....I am ok with it.

I agree. I don't care as long as we are the ones doing the fleecing

 

[Samuel]

Portland should tell Miami who they want in return for Herro.

The moment you limit the conversation to ‘what the Heat can get back for Herro’ you’ve sort of resigned yourself to a variation on the Shit Sandwich, right.

 

[RR7]

Someone else already said it, but I'm also starting to believe that Miami is having difficulty in finding a taker with expirings for Herro, thus the hold up.

 

[Natebishop3]

I mean, if Portland were to say "exactly what they want", wouldn't that basically be "every pick you own, Jaquez, Jovic, Martin, and whatever assets you can get from other teams in Herro and Robinson trades"? Would that list honestly make it easier for Miami to figure out what they're willing to offer?

But there was already a report recently that we asked for "their best offer."

So clearly we don't think they have made their best offer.

Also, I don't think Joe wants to put out a specific list because I think he's hoping that other teams get in the mix. So if he sets the bar low, then the bar will remain low. It's like when you talk to someone from HR when you apply for a job and they ask "what are your salary expectations?" Whatever you tell them is going to be the bar, and possibly lower than that. So usually I reply with, "What is the pay range for this position?" and make them give me a number.

 

[illmatic99]

The /heat subreddit is losing their collective shit over this report. Meltdowns are hilarious.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The moment you limit the conversation to ‘what the Heat can get back for Herro’ you’ve sort of resigned yourself to a variation on the Shit Sandwich, right.

Probably, but I do think Herro has value for some teams. Just not ours. So there is a chance he can bring back a nice hot pastrami sandwich instead.

 

[illmatic99]

Probably, but I do think Herro has value for some teams. Just not ours. So there is a chance he can bring back a nice hot pastrami sandwich instead.

Also, why would a competing team help Miami get Dame even if they kinda sorta want Herro?

I can totally see someone like Danny Ainge lowballing Riley when he comes asking for value for Herro.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Also, why would a competing team help Miami get Dame even if they kinda sorta want Herro?

I can totally see someone like Danny Ainge lowballing Riley when he comes asking for value for Herro.

yeah, it would have to be a team that does not think they are ready to contend for a couple of years.

 

[Natebishop3]

 

[e_blazer]

It seems like there’s a lack of communication between the Heat and Blazers. It’s as if the telephone, email, texts, telegrams, Morse Code, smoke signals, drums, and tin cans with strings have not been invented and Riley and Cronin are left only with second rate sports journalists as a means of communication.

 

[ebott]

I think there is a 4-team Miami/Portland trade to be had where Dame goes to the Heat and Messi goes to the Timbers. Someone else can fill in the details.

barfo

Oh no dude, you ain't heard? Messi won't come here cause he won't play on turf.

 

[Five Second Violation]

Haynes is so obnoxious. Dame/Goodwin/Miami should find a better press secretary.

 

[PCmor7]

Lol Haynes doesn't understand how negotiation works.

For the first time, I'm fully applauding Joe's approach here. Kick rocks, Riley.

Haynes seeing his opportunity to write for a bigger market going down the drain.

 

[HansenYang]

I would do this, I don't know if Brooklyn would but they'd have to entertain the idea.
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That being said if I was Brooklyn and I was in this kind of trade talk I would just call Joe and see if he would take Simmons, my two rookies and four future firsts for Dame:
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The first trade including Miami is terrible for Brooklyn. They take on salary for a longer period and give up picks for worse players.... there's no way they remotely consider that.


I've always thought that Brooklyn made the most sense to trade Dame to, but I don't think the Nets will give up that much to get him. Certainly not what you propose in the second scenario

 

[blazerkor]

The first trade including Miami is terrible for Brooklyn. They take on salary for a longer period and give up picks for worse players.... there's no way they remotely consider that.


I've always thought that Brooklyn made the most sense to trade Dame to, but I don't think the Nets will give up that much to get him. Certainly not what you propose in the second scenario

You seem to assign positive trade value to Simmons. I don't. I think getting Herro while taking on Robinson but getting rid of Simmons is a net gain for the Nets worthy of giving up one of their many FRPs.

 

[Natebishop3]

The first trade including Miami is terrible for Brooklyn. They take on salary for a longer period and give up picks for worse players.... there's no way they remotely consider that.


I've always thought that Brooklyn made the most sense to trade Dame to, but I don't think the Nets will give up that much to get him. Certainly not what you propose in the second scenario

I don't think that trade is terrible for Brooklyn at all..... in fact they should really send out TWO picks because they're dumping Simmons' massive contract.

 

[HansenYang]

You seem to assign positive trade value to Simmons. I don't. I think getting Herro while taking on Robinson but getting rid of Simmons is a net gain for the Nets worthy of giving up one of their many FRPs.

No.

I contend that Simmons = Herro in value. From a strict talent standpoint, Ben is a better/more impactful player -> but he has personality/health concerns to deal with. Both can give positive contributions to your team, but are overpaid for what they do. I can justify that the difference in value can be made up by 1 late first round pick.

Robinson is complete garbage, with a massive negative value. I put his value at -2 first round picks.

Then let's look at salary. Simmons is still owed $78M. Herro is owed $120M and Robinson an additional $48M.

Again - Nets take on 2x the salary and get worse players on the court.

 

[Natebishop3]

I contend that Simmons = Herro in value.

I don't agree with this at all. I'm not a huge fan of Herro, but he's only 23 and he actually contributes. He's a decent player.

Simmons is a tangled wreck sitting in the middle of a u-pull-it yard. He might not ever get back to what he was. Some people have called his contract the worst in the NBA. If the Nets wanted to move Simmons, they would have to attach a pick with him just to get someone to take him on.

Herro might not have a ton of value, but he's worth a pick.

 

[illmatic99]

Simmons averaged less than 7 points per game last yr and missed half the season due to injury.

He also is not even cleared for 3 on 3 according to his GM from an injury he suffered almost 6 months ago.

Everything about Simmons actually playing and contributing is simply theoretical. (Except for his salary: he's owed nearly 80 mil over the next 2 seasons).

 

[Natebishop3]

Simmons averaged less than 7 points per game last yr and missed half the season due to injury.

He also is not even cleared for 3 on 3 according to his GM from an injury he suffered almost 6 months ago.

Everything about Simmons actually playing and contributing is simply theoretical. (Except for his salary: he's owed nearly 80 mil over the next 2 seasons).

It's like if a $40 million yacht sunk.... and people keep saying "well if we raise that ship and we clean it up, it's worth $40 million!"

No.... it's not. IF you can raise that yacht, it's going to take substantial work to clean it up and get it running again. It probably will never be worth that $40 million price tag again. We'd be happy if it could eventually be worth $20 million.