Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

[Sheldon Shape]

They didn’t have to give up anyone to get those “upgrades” so it’s a completely different scenario. If they had to give up Eason for Brooks, I’d bet they’d say no.

I am fairly convinced they’d say absolutely not to almost any trades that involve any 2 of the 3 players you listed. I think the odds that they’d consider Amen or Jabari for virtually anyone outside of Embiid and Giannis caliber players damn near 0.

I probably agree on Eason for Brooks. But Jaylen Brown? I think they'd definitely give up a good young piece or two for him, no question.

 

[TBpup]

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I would be very on board with that. Doesn't seem very likely....but would really like that type of outcome.

They have these:
Lowry
Martin
Jaquez
Jovic
Herro converted into 1FRP by another team
FRPs and pick swaps

So in theory, that will work, but Miami isn't interested in offerering anywhere close to that

It can work, but it's a whole lot of bovine dung on one side of the scale and a Top-75 player on the other side. It's a lot of stuff....but that stuff isn't good and the some of all that mediocre filling is dreck.

How about shut the hell up. How about don't sign a big contract and then half-ass it till you get back to where you wanted to be in the first place.

 

[KingSpeed]

41% FG and 31% from 3 is bad, rookie or not. Advanced numbers were terrible across the board.

KD shot 43% FGs and 29% from 3 his rookie year. Was that “ass”? He won rookie of the year.

 

[riverman]

I take great joy in knowing that Karl Malone did not win a ring with the Lakers after joining a superstar team

 

[Predator]

You can’t take statements from coaches or GMs as iron clad. They say shit and then they trade someone. Happens all the time.

I dont take it as ironclad, I take it pretty much like how I take the blazers saying “Sharpe is untouchable”. I doubt he’s untouchable, but I’m sure they’re not gonna trade him for OG and certainly not going to trade both Shaedon and Scoot for say, Jaylen Brown. If Dame agreed to stay and it took Shaedon and Scoot for Giannis, then I’m sure untouchable goes out the window. That’s what I was saying in reference to HOU.

 

[Predator]

I didn’t realize that Eason, Amen and Smith Jr. were all generational talents in their prime! I need to go put $10k on HOU winning it all next year since they have three players who are as good or better than Jaylen Brown and most of them are only 20! No wonder they brought in FVV and Brooks to come off the Bench for their multiple top 10 in the league guys!

All sarcasm aside, those young guys are very talented and could even be all stars some day. Jaylen Brown is a two way wing who was just voted second team all NBA, meaning by definition he’s a top 10 player (or a top 4 wing, which IMO is even better in this wing dominant league) who is in his early prime. He’s absolutely worth two of those guys and picks. Dame is even better having the rarest talent in the NBA. Dame is arguably the greatest clutch player in NBA history.

If Dame agreed to stay would you trade Shaedon, Simons and Scoot for Jaylen Brown? Then add picks on top of that?

 

[Natebishop3]

I dont take it as ironclad, I take it pretty much like how I take the blazers saying “Sharpe is untouchable”. I doubt he’s untouchable, but I’m sure they’re not gonna trade him for OG and certainly not going to trade both Shaedon and Scoot for say, Jaylen Brown. If Dame agreed to stay and it took Shaedon and Scoot for Giannis, then I’m sure untouchable goes out the window. That’s what I was saying in reference to HOU.

Sure but technically the Blazers never publicly said that Shaedon is untouchable. Those were reports that were released by the media.

 

[PCmor7]

If you ask them to give you their best offer they will low ball which they have done.
If you are Portland and you want to send Dame to Miami ask them for what you want in return and see what they counter with. We are the ones selling not them.

Understand your point but disagree with it.

The Blazers aren't obliged to be sellers. We have Lillard under contract for four years. We don't "want" to trade him. We want Dame.

It's on the Heat to present a package the Blazers can't refuse. Don't do their work for them. Don't set Dame's market value for them (and other teams that might want to get involved). The Heat need to blow the Blazers' socks off. In doing so, they set a bar that other teams might feel they can surpass and perhaps even alienate Dame to the point that his representation opens things to other teams.

By not saying what the Blazers want, the Blazers open the door to get more than they should in this market. They're playing this smart. We aren't in a hurry.

 

[Predator]

I probably agree on Eason for Brooks. But Jaylen Brown? I think they'd definitely give up a good young piece or two for him, no question.

A good young piece is different than two (particularly of the 3 you mentioned).

I think they’d go Whitmore + Eason or maaaaaaaaybe Jabari.

 

[Natebishop3]

If Dame agreed to stay would you trade Shaedon, Simons and Scoot for Jaylen Brown? Then add picks on top of that?

Just so we're clear... you're comparing:

Eason - 9.3 ppg, 44.8% from the field, 34% from three, 6 rebounds, 1.2 steals
Smith - 12.8 ppg, 40.8% from the field, 30.7% from three, 7 rebounds, 1.3 assists
Amen

to

Simons - 21 ppg, 44.7% from the field, 37.7% from three, 2.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists
Sharpe - 9.9 ppg, 47% from the field, 36% from three, 3 rebounds, 1.2 assists
Scoot

 

[Hoopguru]

Understand your point but disagree with it.

The Blazers aren't obliged to be sellers. We have Lillard under contract for four years. We don't "want" to trade him. We want Dame.

It's on the Heat to present a package the Blazers can't refuse. Don't do their work for them. Don't set Dame's market value for them (and other teams that might want to get involved). The Heat need to blow the Blazers' socks off. In doing so, they set a bar that other teams might feel they can surpass and perhaps even alienate Dame to the point that his representation opens things to other teams.

By not saying what the Blazers want, the Blazers open the door to get more than they should in this market. They're playing this smart. We aren't in a hurry.

I think you make some valid points, for sure. Since Dame is under contract and if they dont want to peddle him, the why not establish a price? If they say, we want established an all star player and pics, nothing less, it put's the pressure on Miami and at the same time the rest of league knows that we want an Allstar player. So blow our socks off if you want him. You can always come down if the market doesn't respond.
I dont want to sell my house but if someone seemed like they must have it, Id ask a ridiculous high price.

 

[PCmor7]

I think you make some valid points, for sure. Since Dame is under contract and if they dont want to peddle him, the why not establish a price? If they say, we want established all star player and pics, nothing less, it put the pressure on Miami and at the same time the rest of league knows what we want an Allstar player we are not trying to move. So blow our socks off if you want him. You can always come down if the market doesn't respond.
I dont want to sell my house but if someone seemed like they must have it, Id ask a ridiculous high price.

Agree with a lot of that but I think the established all-star and picks probably already is presumed if the Blazers haven't said that to the Heat. I think we're more in a matter of specifics at this point, with the Heat constantly pleading poverty with what they can give up. If they get the Blazers to go public with specifics, then it can be spun negatively for the Blazers in the media. Right now, saying little and letting the Heat and other teams add to their offers is the right play, IMO. Be a good poker player and don't show your cards. Win the jackpot.

Should the market not be good for a Dame deal now, fine. The Blazers aren't on the clock here. Dame is. The Heat are. But the Blazers? Nah, we're not going anywhere. We're in no rush. We can afford to be Patient Bear and feast when someone sees an opportunity and is desperate enough to give us a king's ransom instead of us receiving pennies on the dollar.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

A good young piece is different than two (particularly of the 3 you mentioned).

I think they’d go Whitmore + Eason or maaaaaaaaybe Jabari.

One of Amen or Jabari + Eason or Whitmore. They're probably most intrigued with Amen since he's their shiny new lotto pick.

 

[e_blazer]

Let me help Joe with his response to the “impatient” Heat.

“Dear Pat,

As they say in the yachting world, if you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it.”

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Just so we're clear... you're comparing:

Eason - 9.3 ppg, 44.8% from the field, 34% from three, 6 rebounds, 1.2 steals
Smith - 12.8 ppg, 40.8% from the field, 30.7% from three, 7 rebounds, 1.3 assists
Amen

to

Simons - 21 ppg, 44.7% from the field, 37.7% from three, 2.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists
Sharpe - 9.9 ppg, 47% from the field, 36% from three, 3 rebounds, 1.2 assists
Scoot

To be fair, you are comparing 5th year Simons to rookie stats for everyone else.
Simons - 3.8 ppg, 44.4% from the field, 34.5% from three, 0.7 rebounds, 0.7 assists

This is closer to a fair comparison. Smith, Sharpe, & Ant were all 19 during their rookie campaigns.

 

[Idog1976]

If Dame agreed to stay would you trade Shaedon, Simons and Scoot for Jaylen Brown? Then add picks on top of that?

Um, no and I think Sharpe and Scoot both have higher upside than any of the Houston players, especially Eason. I'd trade Sharpe, Simons and Scoot for Jokic or Giannis and that's it.

I'm of the opinion that we got 2 of the 3 best players in the last 2 drafts. Only Wemby (barring injuries of course) will better than Scoot or Sharpe will be.

 

[Natebishop3]

To be fair, you are comparing 5th year Simons to rookie stats for everyone else.
Simons - 3.8 ppg, 44.4% from the field, 34.5% from three, 0.7 rebounds, 0.7 assists

This is closer to a fair comparison. Smith, Sharpe, & Ant were all 19 during their rookie campaigns.

That doesn't make sense. He was comparing the assets, not me. I'm just show what those assets are currently worth. We don't know if Jabari Smith will average 20ppg in the next few years.

You're just hitting home that those assets for the Rockets are unproven and could turn out to be busts, or they could be stars, who knows.... but Simons is currently a 20ppg scorer on efficient numbers.

Shaedon was arguably a better starter than Eason or Smith.

Here is Shaedon



As a 30+ per game player, he averaged 21.6 ppg, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists on 49% field goal shooting and 37% from three.

Here is Smith



Smith sucked compared to Shaedon.

Here is Eason



Eason was a way better three point shooter as a bench player for some reason.

 

[BIG Q]

If you ask them to give you their best offer they will low ball which they have done.
If you are Portland and you want to send Dame to Miami ask them for what you want in return and see what they counter with. We are the ones selling not them.

I haven't read every post yet. Sorry if this has been addressed;

If Portland tells Miami what they want in a Dame trade, they are setting the market based on what the worst possible trade partner has available to trade. At some point Dame should add a few more teams. Then Portland can negotiate with say, Utah. Utah has far more assets to trade than Miami. But if if it is public knowledge Portland asked for three picks from Miami, Utah is not offering more than three picks. The market was set. If i'm Portland, I want four picks from Utah, maybe five. Don't set the ceiling when negotiating with the worst trade partner. Ask for their best, as Cronin smartly has. If Portland rejects it, no ceiling has been set.

 

[Hoopguru]

I haven't read every post yet. Sorry if this has been addressed;

If Portland tells Miami what they want in a Dame trade, they are setting the market based on what the worst possible trade partner has available to trade. At some point Dame should add a few more teams. Then Portland can negotiate with say, Utah. Utah has far more assets to trade than Miami. But if if it is public knowledge Portland asked for three picks from Miami, Utah is not offering more than three picks. The market was set. If i'm Portland, I want four picks from Utah, maybe five. Don't set the ceiling when negotiating with the worst trade partner. Ask for their best, as Cronin smartly has. If Portland rejects it, no ceiling has been set.

I get that, good comments. But if Portland states it must have a star player, 2 unprotected 1 st round picks no later than 2006 as an example, then teams that can meet those expectations can summit proposals.. That it puts pressure on Miami to and other teams to not low ball and waist time.
If Portland doesn't want to move Dame but would rather try and keep him then its best to do nothing and allow teams to probe for possibilities.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I haven't read every post yet. Sorry if this has been addressed;

If Portland tells Miami what they want in a Dame trade, they are setting the market based on what the worst possible trade partner has available to trade. At some point Dame should add a few more teams. Then Portland can negotiate with say, Utah. Utah has far more assets to trade than Miami. But if if it is public knowledge Portland asked for three picks from Miami, Utah is not offering more than three picks. The market was set. If i'm Portland, I want four picks from Utah, maybe five. Don't set the ceiling when negotiating with the worst trade partner. Ask for their best, as Cronin smartly has. If Portland rejects it, no ceiling has been set.

Portland telling Miami what they want in a Dame trade doesn't have to be based at all on what Miami has. Portland can absolutely tell Miami "We want 5 FRP'S, a good prospect on a rookie deal, and expirings," without caring at all whether Miami is actually able to offer that.

 

[Natebishop3]

I haven't read every post yet. Sorry if this has been addressed;

If Portland tells Miami what they want in a Dame trade, they are setting the market based on what the worst possible trade partner has available to trade. At some point Dame should add a few more teams. Then Portland can negotiate with say, Utah. Utah has far more assets to trade than Miami. But if if it is public knowledge Portland asked for three picks from Miami, Utah is not offering more than three picks. The market was set. If i'm Portland, I want four picks from Utah, maybe five. Don't set the ceiling when negotiating with the worst trade partner. Ask for their best, as Cronin smartly has. If Portland rejects it, no ceiling has been set.

Portland telling Miami what they want in a Dame trade doesn't have to be based at all on what Miami has. Portland can absolutely tell Miami "We want 5 FRP'S, a good prospect on a rookie deal, and expirings," without caring at all whether Miami is actually able to offer that.

These guys negotiate!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

These guys negotiate!

I am so, so bad at negotiating. I attempted to haggle while I was in Israel and legit insulted a guy.

 

[Natebishop3]

I am so, so bad at negotiating. I attempted to haggle while I was in Israel and legit insulted a guy.

Sometimes insulting someone is actually negotiating!

 

[BIG Q]

I get that, good comments. But if Portland states it must have a star player, 2 unprotected 1 st round picks no later than 2006 as an example, then teams that can meet those expectations can summit proposals.. That it puts pressure on Miami to and other teams to not low ball and waist time.
If Portland doesn't want to move Dame but would rather try and keep him then its best to do nothing and allow teams to probe for possibilities.

I would say all Miami has done is waste time. Which does not affect Portland. I am sure Portland wants to move Dame since HE publicly requested it. But Portland does not want to take a low ball offer, or even acknowledge said low ball offer. Everyone knows what Miami can offer as far as picks, swaps, young talent and filler. They are trying to portray Herro as an asset worthy of a pick or two. Great flip him and make the deal. But in my opinion, the Heat are probably struggling getting anything for Herro, if they are even trying. If I were a betting man, I would take the field over a Dame trade to Miami. And yet, Portland can ask for anything. But Portland did not ask to be in this situation. They are fielding offers, not negotiating against themselves. If Portland asks for something that Miami certainly can not do, like five frp's, then teams would know Portland is not being realistic. Miami can muster up three picks and whatever they could get from Herro, which is probably a shorter contract of a flawed player, drech. Stay the course.

 

[BIG Q]

Portland telling Miami what they want in a Dame trade doesn't have to be based at all on what Miami has. Portland can absolutely tell Miami "We want 5 FRP'S, a good prospect on a rookie deal, and expirings," without caring at all whether Miami is actually able to offer that.

Yes, they could. But then they would be losing the PR battle instantly, which is huge in this situation. Portland has to defeat not just Riley, but all of his media shills that are trying to win the PR battle with the fans. Not just Miami fans, but national fans, casual fans. Portland can ask for Bam and not look like assholes. Miami can certainly reject that. But they can not reject a request for five frp's as they do not have that to offer, making Portland look foolish and petty. When negotiating, 1 vs 1, you do not ask for something that just can not be done. You negotiate for everything they can do/get done. If Miami can get a pick or two for Herro you take it. Don't ask for five. Instruct Miami to bring the best deal knowing under no circumstance will Herro be a Blazer, so get the best deal for him as well. Miami has to put the deal together. They want Dame. Portland would probably rather work with Brooklyn, Toronto, Utah, OKC, Houston, Detroit and San Antonio. They have assets. Different assets.

 

[Cugel]

I don’t think portlands pr matters one bit. Will tv ratings go down? Will Steven a smith complain too much? Will players not want to come here ( even less)? Doesn’t matter at all. Maybe some would think Joe cares about the team more than just bending to the will of a single player??

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I would be very on board with that. Doesn't seem very likely....but would really like that type of outcome.



It can work, but it's a whole lot of bovine dung on one side of the scale and a Top-75 player on the other side. It's a lot of stuff....but that stuff isn't good and the some of all that mediocre filling is dreck.



How about shut the hell up. How about don't sign a big contract and then half-ass it till you get back to where you wanted to be in the first place.

Someone should inform GP that the best players in the game can absolutely play for any team they choose. All they need to do is sign vet min contracts.... Obviously, Dame opted out of that.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Just so we're clear... you're comparing:

Eason - 9.3 ppg, 44.8% from the field, 34% from three, 6 rebounds, 1.2 steals
Smith - 12.8 ppg, 40.8% from the field, 30.7% from three, 7 rebounds, 1.3 assists
Amen

to

Simons - 21 ppg, 44.7% from the field, 37.7% from three, 2.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists
Sharpe - 9.9 ppg, 47% from the field, 36% from three, 3 rebounds, 1.2 assists
Scoot

lol, well put.

 

[Hoopguru]

Portland telling Miami what they want in a Dame trade doesn't have to be based at all on what Miami has. Portland can absolutely tell Miami "We want 5 FRP'S, a good prospect on a rookie deal, and expirings," without caring at all whether Miami is actually able to offer that.

Seems to met that Cronin has mentioned all star type player as one possibility. And when he said it he realized Miami couldn't offer one of the two, they have. So that message went out to other teams as well, and some that just might be willing to get involved.

 

[BIG Q]

I don’t think portlands pr matters one bit. Will tv ratings go down? Will Steven a smith complain too much? Will players not want to come here ( even less)? Doesn’t matter at all. Maybe some would think Joe cares about the team more than just bending to the will of a single player??

Portland just had the ridiculous GSW/Toradol fiasco. The airwaves were flooded when GSW alleged Portland cheated them. That was all you heard about for 2-3 weeks. Then, 2-3 months GSW and GP2weeks admitted Portland did not inject Toradol into him. Did you hear about it? Very little. But for some reason GSW were allowed to inflict scandalous claims against Portland. They should have been forced to give up a FRP to Portland for that. Who got the good press, who got the negative press? You want to control the PR narrative so that your staff and players know that you are honest and fair to deal with. You are an organization they are proud to represent and want to stay. And yes, you do not want to piss off your fan base by signing a Rueben Patterson. It is all PR, and I want Scoot and Sharpe to know that they are with a first rate organization. That their parents know the same. Those two young men are tight with their families and they must know Toradol is not an issue in Portland and that they value their players. I'm not a PR guy, but I know it is valuable for a national and international brand such as Trailblazers Inc.