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Would Jovic have even been drafted in the late first round if his name didn't rhyme with Nicola Jokic?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I would expect Simmons to be moved. But is he really a cancer in the locker room? I don't know the answer, but I thought he was only a problem when he refused to show up.
When he plays, is he a problem with his teammates?
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He seems to be working hard to get back, and for a team that wanted Draymond, Simmons has the potential to be a better version. The problem is, they have had him at PG for too much of his career. He needs to be the screener in pick and roll where he can utilize his talents. Bring him in and let him play center.
 
wizenheimer said:
I wish people would stop penciling in Miami's 2024 1st round pick coming to Portland. They can't trade the damn thing. It's not a trade asset
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Miami needs OKC to accept the 2026 pick unprotected instead of the current protected 2025, then it can happen. It's been reported by national media.
 
BonesJones said:
Miami already agreed to trade Victor Oladipo to OKC, who they owe their 2025 1st round pick to (protected in 2025, unprotected in 2026). It's likely that Miami can get OKC to agree to simply make it a protected 2026 1st round pick or an uprotected 2024 1st round pick with the 2026 MIA 1st going to Portland).
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2026 draft is projected to be better than 2024 or 2025. Miami also projects to be very strong next year. So OKC is likely to be happy to simply have the 2026 pick but very unlikely to accept the 2024.
 
Idog1976 said:
I love it. The thought process. The depth of the Heat’s pain and also us getting a monster return for Dame and dumping Nurkic. A beautiful post. I regret I have but one like to give. *doff my hat to you*
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Thanks.

Yes one thing I realized after posting is if PDX is getting two FRP from a 3rd team they could try to get 2025 and especially 2027 picks. Then they could use those to have swaps with Miami that will 100% convey. Currently the Blazers picks are encumbered to Chicago so the swaps would be conditional. It would nice to have them be guaranteed, as especially in 2027 Miami could have some declines.

I really like the idea of controlling all of Miami picks for 4 years 2027-2030 if they are high lottery picks every year. It could actually give them some desperation the years prior where they do even more win now moves and dig themselves a deeper and deeper hole. If an NBA franchise doesn't develop long term talent they can suddenly find themselves stuck at the bottom of the league. Having no control of their picks could be very upsetting and push to keep them there.

I guess the other solution is Bones idea of getting our pick back from Chicago. I would be hesitant to lose much value in getting it back though as if our rebuild gets stalled it might turn into a 2nd and cost us next to nothing.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
2026 draft is projected to be better than 2024 or 2025. Miami also projects to be very strong next year. So OKC is likely to be happy to simply have the 2026 pick but very unlikely to accept the 2024.
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That's my thinking as well.
 
PCmor7 said:
My concern is that I think Dame was Nurk's stabilizer, and, even at that, we seemed to get one really good game, one decent game and two games that left you wondering who the guy was in the Nurk suit out of every four games. I'd be worried that without Dame he'd go into a complete funk, and the return you could get by including him in a Dame trade would be gone.
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Totally disagree. Nurk loves playing with anyone who keeps the ball moving.
Look at who he's playing with in this game. Dame isn't there. Dame wasn't a part of the 4-game win streak. Nurkic played a key role.

 
blazerfan11 said:
Totally disagree. Nurk loves playing with anyone who keeps the ball moving.
Look at who he's playing with in this game. Dame isn't there. Dame wasn't a part of the 4-game win streak. Nurkic played a key role.

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Yeah I wouldn't be shocked if Nurk had a better year next season. Without Dame we're going to have massive shots and points available for Blazers to break out. Nurk could improve some of his numbers. Also his contract would look more valuable being less than a year until it's an expiring contract.

I'd still probably rather just have salary space than Nurk such as we get him pushed into a Dame trade. But I'm fine instead keeping him for that upside chance too.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'm just surprised that that post didn't come out after Game 2 of the Finals. I think many had already guessed it...
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Miami made it to the Finals because Herro got hurt. Nobody likes to hear stuff like that, I get it, it's mean. But Herro's unfortunate hand injury allowed Caleb Martin to take over, and his scrappy 2 way play surprised everyone in the Eastern playoffs.
 
bemac said:
He seems to be working hard to get back, and for a team that wanted Draymond, Simmons has the potential to be a better version. The problem is, they have had him at PG for too much of his career. He needs to be the screener in pick and roll where he can utilize his talents. Bring him in and let him play center.
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I have long loved the idea of playing Simmons at Center. A slashing center, who can be a secondary ball handler on the break and can defend 1-5? That sounds awesome IF he has at least 3 shooters around him.
 
Idog1976 said:
I have long loved the idea of playing Simmons at Center. A slashing center, who can be a secondary ball handler on the break and can defend 1-5? That sounds awesome IF he has at least 3 shooters around him.
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The issue is he is not a rim protector at all.
 
I remember Jovic being compared to Hedo Turkoglu. I’d take that honestly.We need more obviously but I think he has a lot of potential.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Holy Shit. Old news, but wow. Pot calling Kettle black...
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A lot of Dame's adamant loyalty (and saying others should have it) is going to come back to bite him. But on one-hand I get it, I wasn't the same person 10 years ago that I am now. Things do change. But the optics look very bad for him. And we better get a haul!
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Holy Shit. Old news, but wow. Pot calling Kettle black...
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Yeah just a week ago I was adamant with my son that you NEVER trade Lillard unless he demands it. He complained that we should build around Sharpe and Scoot and trade Dame for a huge haul and that strategically I was making a huge mistake. I then pointed out Lillard being a Unicorn of loyalty and awesomeness and how I'd never trade him, unless he forced the issue. The minute Lillard demanded a trade, I became all business. Now it's all about getting the MAXIMUM return for Lillard. Sure send him to a contender like BKN with Mikal Bridges and they can keep Claxton and we just get even more delicious 1st round picks. Lillard has a real shot in the east with Bridges and Claxton of at least getting to the Finals. I'm totally fine with Miami getting Lillard, but they must pay maximum pain like Sharpe's Triumph outlined above. All this stuff sadly feels just a tad painful. The Cynic in me says it was branding the Loyalty stuff and getting a huge check. Then I think about how he could have left years ago, but didn't. I'm still coming to grips with this, he's my all time favorite player.
 
I'm completely stumped as to why Herro seems to have a market...... but Simons did not.

Did we actually try to trade Simons?
 
LayneStaley said:
That has him compared to the ultimate badass…Tom Chambers. Get it done.
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I love his passing skills in the video the link provides. I can see why people like him. He still needs to add some weight but maybe he is the main prize in the trade. He might have slid in the draft but Claxton slid as well.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm completely stumped as to why Herro seems to have a market...... but Simons did not.

Did we actually try to trade Simons?
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Simons had a market for picks and similar type players. Not for two way wings.

And I don't see any two way wings available for picks either.
 
BonesJones said:
The Miami part is clear to me:

MIA Gets: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
MIA Trades: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Nikola Jovic, 2024, 2028, 2030 1sts (2026 unprotected to OKC as part of Oladipo trade), POR right to swap in 2025, 2027 & 2029

Then it becomes a situation where Herro's value to a 3rd team needs to be maximized.

Brooklyn could be interesting because I could see them having interest in Herro and a need for Lowry. The rumor is they're open to acquiring Herro. They've already agreed to a pending trade with Joe Harris' $19.9M contract going to Detroit with no money back. Brooklyn can trade Royce O'Neale to Miami or another destination who matches with the pending Oladipo to OKC trade. Dinwiddie & Sumner included to match salary. Portland could try to get Clowney or Whitehead thrown in. My favorite idea for Brooklyn's pick compensation is them sending a 2029 1st via BKN/PHX/DAL to Portland because the odds of that being a high pick are greater.

BKN Gets: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
BKN Trades: Joe Harris (to DET), Royce O'Neale, Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, 2029 1st (Best of BKN/PHX/DAL)

Chicago recently applied for a disabled player extension for Lonzo Ball that they could use to trade for Royce O'Neale. Portland could try to get their 2024 1st back in such a move.

CHI Gets: Royce O'Neale, 2nd round pick(s) via BKN, MIA, & POR
CHI Trades: 2024 POR 1st (Back to Portland)

So in the end:

POR Trades: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
POR Gets: Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, Nikola Jovic, a $45.6M Traded Player Exception*, Four 1st Round Picks, 2 First Round Swaps, and their 2024 1st Back

*Edmond Sumner and Nikola Jovic would be absorbed into the Hart and GP2 TPE and Jusuf Nurkic matches Spencer Dinwiddie, thus turning Damian Lillard's contract a TPE.

I would buy out Dinwiddie's contract.

Portland's Picks:
2024 POR 1st
2024 MIA 1st
2025 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2026 POR 1st
2027 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2028 POR 1st
2028 MIA 1st
2029 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2029 BKN/DAL/PHX (best of the 3)
2030 POR 1st
2030 MIA 1st

Those 1st round picks have the potential to be at the top of the draft and are unprotected, and the timing matches up with Scoot Henderson's and Shaedon Sharpe timeline to make an all-in splash around them.

Portland would have apx. $50M in cap space for the 2024 off-season. Potentially more if they trade Simons/Grant for expirings and assets in the next year.

2023-2024 Lineup

Henderson (33) / Simons (15)
Simons (20) / Sharpe (18) / Sumner (10)
Sharpe (16) / Thybulle (18) / Rupert (16)
Grant (24) / Murray (24)
Paul Reed? (24) / Tavares? (15) / Grant (9)
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I feel like I’d rather just take Ben’s deal for the next two years and get an extra 1st or Noah Clowney from the Nets. I’d also like the 2029 PHX 1st. Otherwise, I think your trades are solid. Not having ONeal means that we can’t flip him to the Bulls for our 1st back, but why do that now when we’re going to be bad at least the next one or two seasons?
 
BonesJones said:
Miami already agreed to trade Victor Oladipo to OKC, who they owe their 2025 1st round pick to (protected in 2025, unprotected in 2026). It's likely that Miami can get OKC to agree to simply make it a protected 2026 1st round pick or an uprotected 2024 1st round pick with the 2026 MIA 1st going to Portland).
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that's not likely at all, IMO. Miami's 2026 pick will be more valuable than their 2024 pick, and OKC already owns the 2026 pick, unprotected.

the only thing OKC might be willing to do is release their hold on the 2025 pick since it's lottery protected while the 2026 is unprotected. Unprotected picks are more valuable than lottery protected picks. And in 2026 Dame will be 36 and Butler 37 so Miami might not be as good

but even if OKC did that freeing up Miami's 2024 first, that pick would likely be in the 25-30 range. Not much value for Portland.
 
Ed O said:
I want to know one thing: which team values Tyler Herro? If we knew that with certainty, we could see the value of a Miami trade.
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If Herro had value, Ant would have value, and Joe would have made a trade.
 
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