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Natebishop3 said:
Adjusting

I think our absolute best case scenario is

Filler from third team (maybe Simmons)
Jovic
Jaquez
2024 pick (OKC takes 2026)
2025 pick swap
2027 pick swap
2028 pick
2029 pick swap
2030 pick
Future pick from third team
Future pick from Caleb Martin (maybe 4th team)
2026 2nd rounder
2029 2nd rounder
2030 2nd rounder

Let's be honest.. you're gutting Miami's future. If they don't win a title in the next couple years they're completely fucked.
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I think they're offering Robinson, Herro, 2 picks, 1 swap right now.

Yes, a third team is needed. Yes, this isn't nearly enough. But there is a massive gulf in the offers being discussed, and what Miami's lowball offer is.
 
Samuel said:
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This is what's on offer. Like what even is this nonsense.
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Hell no. They'd get the most favorable pick in a 2026 swap. Hell no, even with protection. That's a shit deal anyway.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
The new CBA has stuff about luxury tax teams can't sign buyout guys and teams under the cap or under the tax get priority on picking them up. Would be great if the Blazers could steal some of their targets in a future season.

I also maintain that owning just the single 2030 unprotected pick also kind of gives the Blazers a path to possibly get Dame back for only a pick many years from now. Maybe its even on his next contract far less than the $60 million. I'm hopeful this trade eventually gets resolved amicable on both sides when its finalized. When Dame is in his late 30's and Sharp/Scoot are ready to win in the playoffs it might be fun to bring Dame back in a Jason Kidd Dallas role.
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I'd only want Dame back if his play merited it. If we're talking 4-5 years from now, I'm not bringing Damian Lillard back for a sentimental tour when the Blazers young player figure to be in or entering their prime years, and not just because of what he and his agent are trying to pull, but because we should be contending if things are going according to plan. This is, as Lillard is showing, a business, and I'd only welcome a prodigal son if the Blazers didn't have better options.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Then send Miami 2030 pick unprotected to OKC. Thats way after Dame is retired. They probably want more distant picks since they have so many so soon. Portland gets 2024 2026 2028; then 2-3 more picks from Herro/Martin. If thats too much value to give OKC then gets something back from them..
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geeeezuzzz...for what reason? That 2030 Miami pick could be really good; might be the best Miami pick Portland gets. Why are you guys going thru contortions to get Miami picks when Dame, Butler, and Bam will could still be playing at all-star level?

If Dame is traded to Miami, I'd rather have the 2030 pick than the 2026 pick. I don't see anything wrong with 2024-2028-2029 (swap)-2030

I also don't believe the Blazers will get 2-3 picks for Herro/Martin unless a couple are 2nd's
 
Samuel said:
F08hu3TaEAAAXIm

This is what's on offer. Like what even is this nonsense.
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I don't get why the Heat are even given a draft pick, let alone the Blazers can't do that yet anyways.

And on top of that, Miamis picks would be late 1st round picks. BFD.
 
wizenheimer said:
I know what bones is saying. I'm not buying it though

in 2026, Dame will be 36 & Butler will be 37. OKC might be willing to send the 2025 pick back to Miami if they get an additional 2nd round pick, but I don't believe they will let go of that 2026 unprotected pick very easily

besides that, OKC already has 8 first round picks in 2024 & 2025, plus 4 second round picks. I don't see any reason why they'd want a 9th first round pick in 2024-2025, leaving them only 2 in 2026
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Can always trade 1sts into the future. OKC did the opposite in trading three 1sts to draft Ousmane Dieng last off-season. I think all their pick capital is extremely fluid so I don't their worried about 2025 vs 2026 right now.

My idea is if Brooklyn is involved, then OKC gets the best out of 2025 PHX/MIA 1st Round picks and Miami gets the worst so that it incentivizes OKC enough, and Miami is still guaranteed a 2025 1st allowing them to trade four 1sts.
 
wizenheimer said:
geeeezuzzz...for what reason? That 2030 Miami pick could be really good; might be the best Miami pick Portland gets. Why are you guys going thru contortions to get Miami picks when Dame, Butler, and Bam will could still be playing at all-star level?

If Dame is traded to Miami, I'd rather have the 2030 pick than the 2026 pick. I don't see anything wrong with 2024-2028-2029 (swap)-2030

I also don't believe the Blazers will get 2-3 picks for Herro/Martin unless a couple are 2nd's
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Agreed. A random dart throw in 2030 is much better than a pick that's all but guaranteed to be in the 20s in 2026.
 
BonesJones said:
Can always trade 1sts into the future. OKC did the opposite in trading three 1sts to draft Ousmane Dieng last off-season. I think all their pick capital is extremely fluid so I don't their worried about 2025 vs 2026 right now.

My idea is if Brooklyn is involved, then OKC gets the best out of 2025 PHX/MIA 1st Round picks and Miami gets the worst so that it incentivizes OKC enough, and Miami is still guaranteed a 2025 1st allowing them to trade four 1sts.
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I get all that. I just don't believe OKC would cooperate with the fantasy. I think they might give back the 2025 pick, if they were incentivized; but not the unprotected 2026 pick

and something else, If Brooklyn is sending the 2025 Phx pick for Herro, they won't be sending any others. So Portland DOES NOT gain an extra pick since they are losing a potential 1st from the Nets

I'd rather have the 2024 Miami first + 2027 Phx first + 2028 Miami first + 2029 swap + 2030 Miami first than any of the permutations you guys are imagining. 4 picks and a swap is decent value
 
wizenheimer said:
I get all that. I just don't believe OKC would cooperate with the fantasy. I think they might give back the 2025 pick, if they were incentivized; but not the unprotected 2026 pick

and something else, If Brooklyn is sending the 2025 Phx pick for Herro, they won't be sending any others. So Portland DOES NOT gain an extra pick since they are losing a potential 1st from the Nets

I'd rather have the 2024 Miami first + 2027 Phx first + 2028 Miami first + 2029 swap + 2030 Miami first than any of the permutations you guys are imagining. 4 picks and a swap is decent value
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That unprotected 2026 1st is likely in the same range as the 2025 one. But two chances at a team falling apart is better than one and the only thing that likely changes the range in which that pick is in. That Miami pick is all but guaranteed to convey in 2025 anyway.

Portland is essentially giving up the right to a 2025 PHX 1st so that they can get both a 2024 and 2026 MIA 1st.
 
We need to change our mindset from "The best we can hope for is...". NO ONE KNOWS. Dame, along with 5-10 other players in the league lays outside of modeling parameters. If you have two strong players already, his addition could catapult you to compete for a Championship. He is a needle-mover. You never know what someone will pay.

Pat Riley and the M'eat are anchoring, trying to tamp down expectations. "Gee, I'm not sure we could part with Jovic." "JJJ is off the table". "Herro and Robinson is overpaying for Dame." Then when they offer three firsts and a couple of players, it comparatively looks good.

Our mindset needs to be, "We have one of the top 75 players in League history under contract for four years. Due to the fact that we have tanked the past few years, he comes with relatively low miles. He just came off his best season. He will be in his prime (given his style of play) for the rest of his contract. He can be the piece that vaults you from a 1st round exit to competing for a Championship. He is a tremendous character who will never give you anything but his best. He is one of the great clutch players in NBA history. Gentlemen, the bidding is open."
 
BonesJones said:
That unprotected 2026 1st is likely in the same range as the 2025 one. But two chances at a team falling apart is better than one and the only thing that likely changes the range in which that pick is in. That Miami pick is all but guaranteed to convey in 2025 anyway.

Portland is essentially giving up the right to a 2025 PHX 1st so that they can get both a 2024 and 2026 MIA 1st.
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and to get that 2026 Miami first, they give up an opportunity of a 1st from Brooklyn in 2027-2030. Blazers are losing in that exchange; makes no sense
 
Natebishop3 said:
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wizenheimer said:
and to get that 2026 Miami first, they give up an opportunity of a 1st from Brooklyn in 2027-2030. Blazers are losing in that exchange; makes no sense
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It depends. I don't think the offers will be in increments of unprotected 2027-2030 picks. There's value in between that which could be bridged with a lower quality pick, such as a 2025 PHX 1st, where itd be too much value to give up a later, more speculative pick.
 
julius said:
I don't get why the Heat are even given a draft pick, let alone the Blazers can't do that yet anyways.

And on top of that, Miamis picks would be late 1st round picks. BFD.
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not in 2026, 2028, and 2030, they won't.
 
illmatic99 said:
Goran Dragic was quoted saying he is waiting to return to MIA but can't because Dame deal isn't done. Lmao

The longer this takes, the more likely it is Miami moves on and opens up the market for us with other teams.
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If this is now a game of chicken, Cronin can't possibly lose, can he? All he has to do is nothing. Wait for Miami to panic by moving on with other players or let Riley meet Cronin's demands. East peasy.
 
BIG Q said:
If this is now a game of chicken, Cronin can't possibly lose, can he? All he has to do is nothing. Wait for Miami to panic by moving on with other players or let Riley meet Cronin's demands. East peasy.
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The only pressure that he might cave to is his bosses, but given that we essentially have absentee owners, he can turn off his phones and head to Cabo for two months. And it will only benefit him.
 
illmatic99 said:
The only pressure that he might cave to is his bosses, but given that we essentially have absentee owners, he can turn off his phones and head to Cabo for two months. And it will only benefit him.
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Then Cabo it is, ROADTRIP!!!!!
 
illmatic99 said:
Yup. Morey has written the playbook on how to deal with disgruntled stars who demand trades. Just follow the template, Joe.
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Also we know that Dame's value >>> Harden. We also know Morey will not trade Harden for a subpar return. Let the Harden trade be the market barometer for a Dame trade. Gotta make sure we get significantly more for Dame than what Philly get for Harden
 
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