Mike Conley? WTF?! (Trade rumor)

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I make this move for Greg Oden. Period. He may no look like it, or even close to, but Greg Oden is the franchise. Conley can only help Greg in more ways than one.
 
ant said:
Maybe Conley is just the filler that Yahoo caught wind of? Not the centerpiece.

Here you go Memphis!

Outlaw and Rudy and Pick

for

Gay & Conley
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Someone on the memphis board was talking about a Gay for Aldridge/Outlaw type deal

would you do it?
 
Minstrel said:
I wouldn't trade Outlaw for a third-string point guard and third-string power forward. Outlaw has become a good player, starter-quaiity and a premium scorer off the bench. In either role, he has a lot more value than Conley and/or Warrick.

I'd much rather just keep Outlaw and Blake. I want a consolidation trade, but this just seems like a drastic downgrade in total talent.
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There is nothing outside Mayo or Gay on the Grizzlies roster that would be an upgrade in talent. We have too much talent, which is a nice problem. I doubt a deal goes down anytime soon, especially with the Blazers winning.
 
Da_O said:
There is nothing outside Mayo or Gay on the Grizzlies roster that would be an upgrade in talent.
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I agree. I don't think the Grizz are a good trade partner.

We have too much talent, which is a nice problem. I doubt a deal goes down anytime soon, especially with the Blazers winning.
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I've also come to the conclusion that nothing is imminent. I think Pritchard will keep evaluating, and will be active in the month before the trade deadline. I assume that he wants to cash the LaFrentz chip in, and the best way to do that is to combine it with an attractive player or two to get something very worthwhile.

If the Wizards keep tanking, maybe they'll make the mistake of trading Caron Butler, like Dallas made the mistake of trading Devin Harris last year.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Someone on the memphis board was talking about a Gay for Aldridge/Outlaw type deal

would you do it?
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I don't know about this one. I really like what I'm seeing from Batum. If we trade Aldridge it would have to be for another big.
 
Buy low, sell high. Conleys value is low right now because he's only in his 2nd year and his shot isn't falling. This kid's going to bust out sooner or later. Then all you naysayers will be slapping yourself in the forehead and wailing "oh man, I didn't see this coming." Conley definitely has the talent and IQ to make it big in the nba. Now is the time to "buy" on Conley.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'd think they'd want Blake instead of Sergio (for all the reasons we would...spot-up shooter, can play off Mayo, "veteran", not make many mistakes, defense isn't as important in MEM).

Blake and Outlaw and Diogu for Conley/Walker works. Walker becomes our 14th man, paid to wear a suit like Raef and be an expiring contract. They "upgrade" Conley for Blake, and get Diogu and Outlaw for some scoring punch (and some talent for Walker's contract).

Kind of a steep price to get Conley. But if we're really "letting the cake bake" this year, I'd rather lose with Conley/Sergio/Bayless than be ok with Blake. He's not a part of the Future, right?
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I'd do that deal...I think blake is highly overrated, and while Frye is somewhat streaky...so is Outlaw and Frye knows how to set picks. I really don't want to break up the Sergio-Rudy connection!

This unit still seems alright to me:
Conley/Sergio/Bayless (volatile but high potential and Roy and Fernandez get some mins too)
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Frye/Diogu/Randolph
Oden/Pryz
 
PapaG said:
Why would Memphis give up $9 million in cap space for Outlaw, who would be a bench player behind Gay, and Blake, who would compete with Crittenton and Lowry for PT? Diogu is basically a nothing in this deal.
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Uh, Point One: they can get 11M in cap space from Blake, Outlaw and Diogu, which iirc is more than 9M. Point Two: Have you seen MEM's PF situation? Which 6'9 guy would you rather have playing 25-30MPG at PF...Travis or Warrick?

Is it overpaying by us? Maybe. I don't think MEM is the one that turns this down.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Uh, Point One: they can get 11M in cap space from Blake, Outlaw and Diogu, which iirc is more than 9M. Point Two: Have you seen MEM's PF situation? Which 6'9 guy would you rather have playing 25-30MPG at PF...Travis or Warrick?

Is it overpaying by us? Maybe. I don't think MEM is the one that turns this down.
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personally I think Travis and Warrick are on the same tier
 
Batum is already a very good defender. We're already sticking him on the opposing teams best player. He's the future at the three, IMO.
 
As much as I would have loved this trade last year, and feel like we need to get rid of Outlaw, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I feel like we need to get rid of one SF and one PG, but getting rid of one of each to get a PG back that isn't necessarily better than any of the other PGs on our team doesn't make any sense to me. Bayless is already having trouble getting time, so who's to say Conley is going to be able to even break the lineup?

Personally, I think Outlaw should go because I feel like Webster and Batum fit better with the team. I'm still torn on what to do at PG. Sergio has really stepped up, we've only seen glimpses of Bayless, and Blake brings that outside shooting. Plus, it'd be a pretty big dick move to trade Blake away yet again-yes I know the NBA is a business, and it probably will happen at some point, but it's just kind of a crappy situation overall.
 
I don't think I'd go that far. For all of my Travis "hate", the man can shoot from outside and, when he puts his mind to it, be a rebounding beast. I can't describe Warrick's game anywhere close to that.

To put it a different way...I don't think Warrick gets off the bench ahead of Frye. He can't play the 3 well, so he's not going to be in any "big" lineups. He'd be Diogu Pt. 2 for us.
 
Warrick is Travis Outlaw, minus the jumpshot.

Outlaw will put up a lot of points in a more prominent role. In Memphis, I think he could be the 3rd option behind Mayo and Gay.
 
That team would really be able to run.
 
I don't see this trade happening.

First, Conley's stock is low, and Travis' stock is high. At this point, you don't even do an even swap; forget about throwing Sergio into the mix.

Outlaw's contract is really good. It could be argued he's being underpaid right now. Combine that with his potential, demonstrated abilities and growth ... and you have a really attractive trade chip. That doesn't mean Pritchard is going to give him up. It just means he's going to show up in a lot of "what-if" trades BECAUSE he's coveted.

Also, the trade wouldn't help Memphis' log jam at PG anyway. They'll still have four under-developed point guards with potential. Now they happen to have a back-up SF in the mix, as well.

Also, why trade Sergio? He's doing well. He's got a good thing going with Rudy. No need to rush that here.

Also, why Conley? Just because he and Oden are buddy-buddy doesn't mean they'll bring out the best in each other here. It's one thing to be successful in high school or college. It's another to be good together in the NBA.

Finally, Conley doesn't help us with outside shooting. And isn't that what Greg's presence is supposed to help?

Conley is averaging 7/3/4 this season. We're going to give up Outlaw and Sergio for that? I get the idea of consolidating talent, but you don't throw away talent to get there. And, in my opinion, that's what this trade would be.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't think I'd go that far. For all of my Travis "hate", the man can shoot from outside and, when he puts his mind to it, be a rebounding beast. I can't describe Warrick's game anywhere close to that.

To put it a different way...I don't think Warrick gets off the bench ahead of Frye. He can't play the 3 well, so he's not going to be in any "big" lineups. He'd be Diogu Pt. 2 for us.
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Warrick is MUCH better than Diogu. I also think he is better than Frye and would be able to play backup 4 for us
 
I didn't say Warrick wasn't better than Diogu, I said he'd be Diogu Pt. 2 -- an 11th/12th Man who only gets garbage minutes. I'll agree to disagree about him vs. Frye; I think Webster's basically taking the role Outlaw has now, and Frye gets to keep his 15mpg or so. I don't see Warrick taking those away, so he's going to be the role Diogu is now...but more talented.
 
I think it's a good move for both players.

Mike Conley will get to play with Greg Oden again. These two have been a great 1-2 punch since elementary school.

Travis Outlaw will play in a more prominent role and will get to live close to his hometown.
 
yuyuza1 said:
:smiley-crazy:

forget your meds today?
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no. batum already has a positive defensive reputation, gay has a negative one that hasn't improved this year. batum appears (so far) to be a more effective rebounder than gay ever has been. batum appears to have at least the same shooting range and athleticism. gay is more flashy and polished-looking going to the hoop, but he's also 3 years older. batum currently has a better TS% and higher PER. you might disagree, but it's not at all a laughable argument that batum is already a more effective all-around player than gay.
 
All of this talk about Conley having "the credibility to get in Greg's face," does anybody seriously think this line is coming out of the Portland camp? Chances are the Grizz covet Outlaw and they are trying to highlight just how "invaluable" Conley would be as a trade piece.

I say this rumor has no legs from Portland's side.
 
I wonder if the obvious showcasing of Sergio has anything to do with this rumor....
 
graybeard said:
Buy low, sell high. Conleys value is low right now because he's only in his 2nd year and his shot isn't falling. This kid's going to bust out sooner or later. Then all you naysayers will be slapping yourself in the forehead and wailing "oh man, I didn't see this coming." Conley definitely has the talent and IQ to make it big in the nba. Now is the time to "buy" on Conley.
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Conley has yet to prove that he is an outside shooter. His OSU stats from 3 were bad, and in the NBA he has been low-end for a PG.
 
PapaG said:
Conley has yet to prove that he is an outside shooter. His OSU stats from 3 were bad, and in the NBA he has been low-end for a PG.
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Neither has Sergio really. I think Conley is a better PG for the Blazers and like I said, I think Warrick and Outlaw are on the same tier.
 
Fez said:
I think it's a good move for both players.

Mike Conley will get to play with Greg Oden again. These two have been a great 1-2 punch since elementary school.

Travis Outlaw will play in a more prominent role and will get to live close to his hometown.
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He won't be playing much with Oden IMO. Even moving one PG for him, he is still behind Blake/Sergio (whoever is left over) and Bayless in the rotation. Conley would be lucky to get into games. He has shown nothing at the NBA level, and the only reason he starts is because Memphis picked him at #4.

If KP makes this deal as reported, he deserves to be criticized for it. I just don't think it is true, however, at least seriously. We all know that KP likes to burn the phone lines to try and get a feel for how opposing GMs judge their talent. I'm guessing someone in the Memphis front office likes to chat with a reporter.
 
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JFizzleRaider said:
Neither has Sergio really. I think Conley is a better PG for the Blazers and like I said, I think Warrick and Outlaw are on the same tier.
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I don't. I must have missed all of Warrick's game-winning plays in the 4th quarter? Plus, Warrick hasn't even attempted a 3 pt FG this season and he blocks half the shots that Outlaw does, yet he has more length. Warrick also is not a perimeter defender, which Outlaw has shown he can be this year. Plus, Warrick is an expiring contract, meaning he either must be signed or KP must be able to use the extra space to bring in an Outlaw replacement.

I don't understand your assessment.
 
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