Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

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You're making some weird assumptions in this post.

BTW I fully believe OJ either did it or had something to do with it and he got off.

Based upon being convicted and Maris61's testimony, I came to my conclusion. However, you want to attribute my belief that they are guilty on some urban vs rural bullshit.

What I would ask you to do is go back and look at my posts in this thread. I never said they were guilty until Maris61' post.

Assuming makes an ass out of you not me.
And if I did some digging around on the Internet I can almost guarantee you I will find an article that says the Hammonds we're railroaded. Feel free to believe whatever take fits your agenda. The point is....and always has been....that if we took the time to try and understand the factors that drive these "movements" and adjust accordingly, maybe there wouldn't need to be movements.
 
How many people here were affected by anything these people did?

Are they spoiling your plans to go camping?

If not, it's a good example of big brother and people hassling others without real good reason.
 
How many people here were affected by anything these people did?

Are they spoiling your plans to go camping?

If not, it's a good example of big brother and people hassling others without real good reason.

First the terrorists came for the wildlife refuge, and I said nothing, because I was not a duck.

Then...

barfo
 
There are 3 issues--1) finding exactly what they did wrong, 2) the prison sentence length even if they did all they were accused of, and 3) the whole concept of national parks. Speaking to the third issue,

When park boundaries are drawn, anyone living on the park is paid to leave. Years later, population growth spreads farmers and ranchers right up to the boundaries. After more years of economic expansion, they want to lease a little land on the other side of the boundary. (The Hammonds of Oregon paid their rent, unlike the Bundies of California who want Federal land to use for free.) After more years, they think like owners because no one else is ever there, and resent the rare interference from outsiders who don't know the parcel intimately as they do. After more years, if they use controlled fires on their own property, they use them on the leased property, too.

As the U.S. population doubles and doubles again, this pressure will increase. It'll be like in Africa, where the hungry population is bumping up against preserves of large animals and poaching them. What's the long-term answer? It will be either to 1) condense national parks into little spots that even ranchers don't want, or 2) build Trump fences around the parks with armed guards. No borders, no nation. Hire MinuteMen. They usually hang around the Mexican border, but appeared up here a few years ago watching the Canadian border. So the guys occupying the park right now, can continue living there, paid by the government as the park's border patrol to keep out illegals like white ranchers. It'll happen in a few decades anyway. Just do it now and both sides will be happy. This whole problem is just a timing difference about when to do the inevitable. This genius is why I should rule the world.
 
You're making some weird assumptions in this post.

BTW I fully believe OJ either did it or had something to do with it and he got off.

Based upon being convicted and Maris61's testimony, I came to my conclusion. However, you want to attribute my belief that they are guilty on some urban vs rural bullshit.

What I would ask you to do is go back and look at my posts in this thread. I never said they were guilty until Maris61' post.

Assuming makes an SlyPokerDog out of you not me.

fixed it for you.
 
There are 3 issues--1) finding exactly what they did wrong, 2) the prison sentence length even if they did all they were accused of, and 3) the whole concept of national parks. Speaking to the third issue,

When park boundaries are drawn, anyone living on the park is paid to leave. Years later, population growth spreads farmers and ranchers right up to the boundaries. After more years of economic expansion, they want to lease a little land on the other side of the boundary. (The Hammonds of Oregon paid their rent, unlike the Bundies of California who want Federal land to use for free.) After more years, they think like owners because no one else is ever there, and resent the rare interference from outsiders who don't know the parcel intimately as they do. After more years, if they use controlled fires on their own property, they use them on the leased property, too.

As the U.S. population doubles and doubles again, this pressure will increase. It'll be like in Africa, where the hungry population is bumping up against preserves of large animals and poaching them. What's the long-term answer? It will be either to 1) condense national parks into little spots that even ranchers don't want, or 2) build Trump fences around the parks with armed guards. No borders, no nation. Hire MinuteMen. They usually hang around the Mexican border, but appeared up here a few years ago watching the Canadian border. So the guys occupying the park right now, can continue living there, paid by the government as the park's border patrol to keep out illegals like white ranchers. It'll happen in a few decades anyway. Just do it now and both sides will be happy. This whole problem is just a timing difference about when to do the inevitable. This genius is why I should rule the world.

Or we could invade Canada.
 
And if I did some digging around on the Internet I can almost guarantee you I will find an article that says the Hammonds we're railroaded. Feel free to believe whatever take fits your agenda. The point is....and always has been....that if we took the time to try and understand the factors that drive these "movements" and adjust accordingly, maybe there wouldn't need to be movements.

You're.

Not.

Reading.

Please read Maris61's post.

It was not an "article".

You also conveniently have nothing to say to Maris who WORKS for BLM and knows the situation first hand.

Yet YOU bring up race and blame me for just that.

Weird...
 
First the terrorists came for the wildlife refuge, and I said nothing, because I was not a duck.

Then...

barfo

How about the people actually affected get to have their say instead of someone many miles away with no standing?
 
How about the people actually affected get to have their say instead of someone many miles away with no standing?

No standing? That wildlife refuge belongs to me (and you and all the rest of us).

barfo
 
And if I did some digging around on the Internet I can almost guarantee you I will find an article that says the Hammonds we're railroaded. Feel free to believe whatever take fits your agenda. The point is....and always has been....that if we took the time to try and understand the factors that drive these "movements" and adjust accordingly, maybe there wouldn't need to be movements.
well said
 
No standing? That wildlife refuge belongs to me (and you and all the rest of us).

barfo

I don't give a shit. The government has no business owning property.

If it is public land, then let the public use it. You're not using it, they are, so.... tough.
 
I don't give a shit. The government has no business owning property.

And off we go into libertarian never-never land.

If it is public land, then let the public use it. You're not using it, they are, so.... tough.

I'll take a shit in your water supply, then. Since you aren't using that water yet.

barfo
 
And off we go into libertarian never-never land.



I'll take a shit in your water supply, then. Since you aren't using that water yet.

barfo

What does the federal government have to do with a local water supply?

Just wow. Reach out and touch from far away with no clue what the local peoples' needs are.
 
That wildlife refuge belongs to me (and you and all the rest of us)

Well now, I appreciate you standing up! Now I want you to cease raising your fucking mosquitoes in the damn refuge by my place.
The farmer that owned it before didn't do that shit!!! Quit it! Right now!!
 
What does the federal government have to do with a local water supply?

You said government, not federal government.

Just wow. Reach out and touch from far away with no clue what the local peoples' needs are.

So, if you owned a house in Burns, Oregon, but lived in San Diego, you'd be fine with the locals in Burns doing whatever they wanted with your house?
After all, they know their needs, and if they need a meth lab, who are you to complain?

barfo
 
You said government, not federal government.



So, if you owned a house in Burns, Oregon, but lived in San Diego, you'd be fine with the locals in Burns doing whatever they wanted with your house?
After all, they know their needs, and if they need a meth lab, who are you to complain?

barfo
If I own a house in SD and one in Burns, what does D.C. Have to do with it? Or some drunk in Kansas?

The town of Burns can make and enforce its own rules. The Burns cops bust the meth lab.

And I don't care about meth labs in New York. Not my problem. Or yours.
 
Well now, I appreciate you standing up! Now I want you to cease raising your fucking mosquitoes in the damn refuge by my place.
The farmer that owned it before didn't do that shit!!! Quit it! Right now!!

Oh, come now. You rural tough guys have hide so thick that no mere mosquito could bother you! An eagle, on a good day, might be able to just pierce your skin. Before you wrung its neck, that is.

barfo
 
If I own a house in SD and one in Burns, what does D.C. Have to do with it? Or some drunk in Kansas?

The town of Burns can make and enforce its own rules. The Burns cops bust the meth lab.

And I don't care about meth labs in New York. Not my problem. Or yours.

Maybe the Burns cops support the meth lab. Then what?

You really want to say you have no rights in Burns Oregon other than the rights the locals feel like granting?

barfo
 
Maybe the Burns cops support the meth lab. Then what?

You really want to say you have no rights in Burns Oregon other than the rights the locals feel like granting?

barfo
Ah.

If the local government won't do its job, why have faith in any level of government to do theirs?

You're catching on. Maybe.
 
You're.

Not.

Reading.

Please read Maris61's post.

It was not an "article".

You also conveniently have nothing to say to Maris who WORKS for BLM and knows the situation first hand.

Yet YOU bring up race and blame me for just that.

Weird...
I did read Maris's post. I went to the link and read that "article". It stated the basic facts of the case and nothing more. As I have repeatedly stated, I'm believe there is more to the story. Just because the basic gist of a legal case is published on some private legal blog doesn't mean squat in the bigger picture. And go back and read your original red herring comment to my post. You took it completely out of context.....no surprise there. I used the contrast between the black and white experience purely as an example and you took that and ran with it. It gets old, man.

I'm not having the conversation with Maris. He didn't take my post out of context, and indeed, made no comment.

And while I have no doubt Maris knows what he is talking about as far as the BLM issues go, from what I got from actually reading his posts (you might want to try that. It was in a response to you) is that he was let go awhile back as a casualty of Affirmative Action policies by the Federal Government. So you got that wrong too.
 
I did read Maris's post. I went to the link and read that "article". It stated the basic facts of the case and nothing more. As I have repeatedly stated, I'm believe there is more to the story. Just because the basic gist of a legal case is published on some private legal blog doesn't mean squat in the bigger picture. And go back and read your original red herring comment to my post. You took it completely out of context.....no surprise there. I used the contrast between the black and white experience purely as an example and you took that and ran with it. It gets old, man.

I'm not having the conversation with Maris. He didn't take my post out of context, and indeed, made no comment.

And while I have no doubt Maris knows what he is talking about as far as the BLM issues go, from what I got from actually reading his posts (you might want to try that. It was in a response to you) is that he was let go awhile back as a casualty of Affirmative Action policies by the Federal Government. So you got that wrong too.

Jesus Christ....
 
Ah.

If the local government won't do its job, why have faith in any level of government to do theirs?

You're catching on. Maybe.

That's right. It's every man for himself. Thank god MarAzul will loan us guns so we can take what we want.

barfo
 
How about the people actually affected get to have their say instead of someone many miles away with no standing?

And another point here - those militia guys aren't locals, and in fact the locals seem to want them to go away. If you are actually interested in what the locals think.

barfo
 
And another point here - those militia guys aren't locals, and in fact the locals seem to want them to go away. If you are actually interested in what the locals think.

barfo
most of these guys have wanted to join a posse all their lives and this is their shot...its cowboy heaven
 
That's right. It's every man for himself. Thank god MarAzul will loan us guns so we can take what we want.

barfo

King of the strawman.

Always the kidder.

How about let the state of Oregon run the state of Oregon?
 
And another point here - those militia guys aren't locals, and in fact the locals seem to want them to go away. If you are actually interested in what the locals think.

barfo

Only lefties are allowed to protest.

Got it.

Barfo's america.

Hint: the people that are being protested aren't locals either. The militia wouldn't be there otherwise.
 

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