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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

We also will have some cap room even with the outstanding Hibbert offer, but that will completely disappear if we match Batum. So if we want to for instance sign Freeland or Claver with cap room it will have to be done in that 72 hour window. That is if we intend to keep both Hibbert and Batum.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Masbee said:
Do days matter?

Do hours matter?

What is the procedure?

What if Indiana declines to match on Hibbert same day, so they can move on and use their cap space on something else?
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Those are my questions as well. If the league processes one signing before another, does that order matter? That seems extremely stupid to me. I have to think it's not a matter of everybody running to a fax machine in a sprint on the first day of signings just to get first in line, and then as the signings come in, each team is progressively fucked over more than the one in front of it. That makes no sense, and I can't see how anybody would want that in a CBA.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Natebishop3 said:
Minny will try to get him signed and the contract sent off to the league as soon as they possibly can, because they know that we will be trying to do the same thing with Hibbert. If they can get it submitted to the league before Hibbert, we will pretty much be fucked.
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That can't possibly be true. So teams' futures now depend on who has the faster internet connection? There must be some sort of grace period. If not, the most important job of the summer is hiring a guy who can send an email/fax faster than anybody else in the NBA.
 
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The NBA front office is going to be swamped on July 13th (or 14th which it is) with all the signed offers. I would be surprised it it was based on the minute it arrives in the office. That means teams would be relying on clerks and fax machines to determine what came in first. What if the line is busy? Actually I would hope they have newer technology than fax machines but I have no idea how these offers are submitted.

Regardless you would think it is based on the day not the minute.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Pinwheel1 said:
Regardless you would think it is based on the day not the minute.
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im sure its the day, but days have an end, and those are in minutes and then seconds...

abm, call your boy kpee and get to the bottom of this
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
The NBA front office is going to be swamped on July 13th (or 14th which it is) with all the signed offers. I would be surprised it it was based on the minute it arrives in the office. That means teams would be relying on clerks and fax machines to determine what came in first. What if the line is busy? Actually I would hope they have newer technology than fax machines but I have no idea how these offers are submitted.

Regardless you would think it is based on the day not the minute.
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I hope it's not "the day" because that pretty much guarantees that we're in an either/or situation with Batum and Hibbert.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Natebishop3 said:
I hope it's not "the day" because that pretty much guarantees that we're in an either/or situation with Batum and Hibbert.
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Not at all. That means Indiana can decline to match Hibbert, Portland signs him under the current cap space, and then Portland can either decline Batum's offer or match it. You have that day to make all of those decisions on matching, and your own RFA's cap hold stays intact throughout the day. The important part is getting Hibbert to sign a contract on Day One, but that seems like a foregone conclusion. It shouldn't matter if Nic signs with Minnesota that same day, even if the league processes it 30 seconds prior to Hibbert being processed.

Jaynes has to be full of shit on this one. It makes no sense otherwise.
 
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it seems odd though, because you could have a sort of lovers triangle, say....

indiana signs gordon to an offer sheet
NO signs batum to an offer sheet
portland signs hibbert to an offer sheet

who blinks first?
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
it seems odd though, because you could have a sort of lovers triangle, say....

indiana signs gordon to an offer sheet
NO signs batum to an offer sheet
portland signs hibbert to an offer sheet

who blinks first?
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Portland wins that triangle, IMO. Center trumps wing players every time
 
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PapaG said:
That can't possibly be true. So teams' futures now depend on who has the faster internet connection? There must be some sort of grace period. If not, the most important job of the summer is hiring a guy who can send an email/fax faster than anybody else in the NBA.
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I'm sending in my resume now!
 
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Draco said:
I'm sending in my resume now!
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Already sent my resume in. And, obviously, the person who sends their resume in faster will get the job. It's the entrance exam.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

3RA1N1AC said:
it seems odd though, because you could have a sort of lovers triangle, say....

indiana signs gordon to an offer sheet
NO signs batum to an offer sheet
portland signs hibbert to an offer sheet

who blinks first?
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Yeah that could be very odd. Lets say Portland won't match if they get Hibbert, Indy won't match if they get Gordon, NO won't match if they get Batum. So all of the team teams decline to match? But what if the last minute NO does decide to match, then do all of the teams match?

The only way this matters is if your decision to match is changed by your signing. So will we change our decision on Batum based off Indys decision toward Hibbert? Now if the answer is yes, we would change our decision, then first knowing the status of Hibbert would have an enormous advantage.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Minstrel said:
Already sent my resume in. And, obviously, the person who sends their resume in faster will get the job. It's the entrance exam.
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With this important of a job they need some redundancy! Hire 8 or 9 of us to all send in this contracts at 12:00:00.00001 am on July 11th. Old hank is also out in the barn with a carrier pigeon. If we get Bob Jones to cut the power at the NBA office my cousin Judy could get a telegram first in line. Beat all them fancy new fax machines.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Additionally, Batum's on-court, off-court data suggests he may be wildly overrated. While lauded for his defensive potential, there is little to no evidence that he's been an impactful defender in the actual games; in fact, there's mounting evidence that he may be lousy at defense. It's possible he becomes an $11 million player, but he certainly hasn't been one up until now.

To clear up one piece of confusion on Batum, his cap hold will not change before the Blazers make a decision on matching any offer sheet from Minnesota. The Wolves can't sign him until July 11, and the Blazers will have three days to match once they've received the contract.

I would lean toward matching if I were Portland, but this is not a clear call. If they don't want to, their best move might be to involve Minnesota in sign-and-trade talks between now and the 11th -- say, for Luke Ridnour, given the Blazers' point guard needs -- which would also allow them to time the deal when it suits them given their other cap plans.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...01/nba-how-opening-day-free-agency-played-out
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

One of Neil's goals is to collect assets; It may be in favor for both MN and POR to work out a sign and trade.

Though, outside the obvious only Derrick Williams intrigues me. Had a mediocre rookie season but had similar advanced stats at the same age as Nic.
 
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Minstrel said:
Already sent my resume in. And, obviously, the person who sends their resume in faster will get the job. It's the entrance exam.
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That's why it took a year to find a GM. Olshey aced the orange cones.
 
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jlprk said:
That's why it took a year to find a GM. Olshey aced the orange cones.
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Olshey has been the double-secret GM for almost a year. He was not supposed to leave the Clippers until after he had blocked CP3 to the LA Lakers. His cover became compromised during the playoffs and a high risk extraction was executed.
 
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Charcoal Filtered said:
I was honking once and wanted it to work for him here too. I think the old rational of size winning out is losing favor though.
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I tend to agree with you, actually. In another thread I stated that it's more important to have a low post presence on both offense and defense regardless of position. I think in this case Hibbert trumps both Batum and Gordon
 
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Again, if Nic wants to be a Trailblazer, and wants to be on the best Trailblazer team possible, he will wait to sign. If not then fuck him
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I wouldn't pay Batum $12M or $11M. You might do just as well drafting SFs for the next 3 years and playing the position by committee of guys cheaper than the $11M.

You've got a young SF who can shoot in Babbitt.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Denny Crane said:
I wouldn't pay Batum $12M or $11M. You might do just as well drafting SFs for the next 3 years and playing the position by committee of guys cheaper than the $11M.

You've got a young SF who can shoot in Babbitt.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I'm tired of losing my favorite players. Batum would be pretty close to the straw that breaks the camel's back. I want Hibbert and I think he's a more important player than Batum but there's no way I could get as excited about him. It's like a (very) poor man's version of Ginobili (or Parker, if we're keeping the French theme) and Duncan (isn't Hibbert also from "The Islands"?).
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Denny Crane said:
You've got a young SF who can shoot in Babbitt.
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And you've got a nice PG who can shoot in Lucas. Why do you care about that Rose kid?

But it looks like you won't have a nice backup C for much longer...
 
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Mediocre Man said:
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I agree, letem go if he gets 11-12 mil per, especially if we don't get Hibbert. Wes can play "some" SF, if we want a cheap basic guy we could probably get Wright from GS or pick up a much cheaper guy in FA
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Rastapopoulos said:
And you've got a nice PG who can shoot in Lucas. Why do you care about that Rose kid?

But it looks like you won't have a nice backup C for much longer...
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Rose is an MVP candidate, elite player, worthy of MAX contract. The CBA even has a Rose rule in it that allowed him to get paid big bucks. You can't say the same thing about Batum. In fact, the Blazers could do just as well at SF with a guy like Chase Budinger for considerably less money.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=batumni01&y1=2012&p2=budinch01&y2=2012

See the per 36 minute stats. Neither played 36 minutes/game though.
 
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