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I don’t think it’s a scam. They just don’t have the money they need.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I would hate to think Mike Barrett would be involved in any type of scam.
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why would Barrett and Wilson jeopardize their reputations?
That site was probably not as good as other options that are available.
 
A good number of expansion team startups fly by the seat of their pants. Hell. You've got to start somewhere. The N.F.L man though. $$$$$$$ before they will even show you to the entrance door. When Carolina/Jacksonville joined I couldn't believe how high the expansion fee was. Today it would be ridiculous.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
What part of that article gives you evidence of a scam? That PPS property was always going to be a political nightmare for the PDP people, and the other property they bid on in NW Portland was bought by another group.
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I'm just a glass half empty person that always assumes the worst.
 
What exactly does this mean? The way I read it....it was going to be too much of a headache to deal with the political bullshit. Best to find a different location

"We believe the PPS site was not the right place for a baseball stadium given the opportunities it offers to help create a new and diverse neighborhood,” Albina Vision Trust board member Gregg Kantor said in a release. “So we are pleased with their decision and believe it is the right one for our community.”

Albina Vision plans to honor the neighborhood’s past by transforming what exists on the property into a socially and economically inclusive community of residents, businesses, artists, makers, and visitors.
 
hoopsjock said:
It does kinda, but I hope you're wrong.

I heard it was a lot more complicated than people would think. Instead of just buying the land what happens is they agree in principle but can back out if they don't find a way for everything else to work out. So right now they are probably busy trying to get things like roads to and from the stadium and all the other infrastructure needed approved from the city. Getting a team is still most likely at least 5 years out anyway so as bad as it sucks to wait I think it's going to require a little patience. If this is just some elaborate real estate deal with little to no intentions of bringing baseball here I would be fucking livid though.
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You would be amazed at how much and how many people are working on this. The logistics involved is immense. Just taking the things we are working on is a full time job for 4 people and they have been on it for months with no end in sight. People have absolutely no idea.
And no it is not just a real estate hoax.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Perhaps announcing other ballpark property options helps them to get an even deeper discount on the property they plan to eventually purchase and later flip for a profit?
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Or maybe it's about getting yard and construction area as well as transportation and event parking? Then having the right people in place after an election to continue with issues at hand?
 
kjironman1 said:
You would be amazed at how much and how many people are working on this. The logistics involved is immense. Just taking the things we are working on is a full time job for 4 people and they have been on it for months with no end in sight. People have absolutely no idea.
And no it is not just a real estate hoax.
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It sounds like you know where the location will be
 
Rozay said:
It sounds like you know where the location will be
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Honestly i don't. But one of the companies i work for have been doing the numbers on what it would take to build the stadium at various sites. The thing is enough people i know that would not be involved in a hoax are actually giving it evaluation time. Things like Tonnage of Iron involved for transport and manpower to take on an endeavor like this. My union has been bringing on beginning Pre-Apprentice workers in case we need them in the next 2-3 years. The NW site had some advantages with rail that the Clackamas site didn't have. Then there are other questions. Would people consider a westside option like Hillsboro? How do you fabricate and transport for that area? Intel was a total nightmare.
 
kjironman1 said:
Honestly i don't. But one of the companies i work for have been doing the numbers on what it would take to build the stadium at various sites. The thing is enough people i know that would not be involved in a hoax are actually giving it evaluation time. Things like Tonnage of Iron involved for transport and manpower to take on an endeavor like this. My union has been bringing on beginning Pre-Apprentice workers in case we need them in the next 2-3 years. The NW site had some advantages with rail that the Clackamas site didn't have. Then there are other questions. Would people consider a westside option like Hillsboro? How do you fabricate and transport for that area? Intel was a total nightmare.
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I know it won't happen but it would really be amazing if it was in Hillsboro! I'd probably get season tickets if it was.
 
hoopsjock said:
I know it won't happen but it would really be amazing if it was in Hillsboro! I'd probably get season tickets if it was.
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It could. But Fought is way too busy to fabricate it in Tigard. So like i said. Getting the material there would take a bunch of work. Maybe even starting and building a fab shop first? Fought has the Airport under contract and they are swamped for 2-3 years. Tri-lett is busy with U of O. Newberg Steel could expand and do it? But that takes a contract. The rest are maybe Vigor Fab and maybe a couple in Vancouver but those are a lot more Marine oriented.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
What exactly does this mean? The way I read it....it was going to be too much of a headache to deal with the political bullshit. Best to find a different location

"We believe the PPS site was not the right place for a baseball stadium given the opportunities it offers to help create a new and diverse neighborhood,” Albina Vision Trust board member Gregg Kantor said in a release. “So we are pleased with their decision and believe it is the right one for our community.”

Albina Vision plans to honor the neighborhood’s past by transforming what exists on the property into a socially and economically inclusive community of residents, businesses, artists, makers, and visitors.
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Truthfully, I think it meant that PPS wanted more money for it than the PDP wanted to spend.
 
SlyPokerOwl said:
Truthfully, I think it meant that PPS wanted more money for it than the PDP wanted to spend.
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Of course. Read the statement.
"Our core mission remains focused on providing all of our students in Portland Public Schools with an excellent educational experience. Our centrally located headquarters is a highly attractive site for potential future development, and we will continue to evaluate any future opportunities that support our school system’s goals and better serves our community."
They want too much money.
On to Terminal Two or Clack.
 
kjironman1 said:
Of course. Read the statement.
"Our core mission remains focused on providing all of our students in Portland Public Schools with an excellent educational experience. Our centrally located headquarters is a highly attractive site for potential future development, and we will continue to evaluate any future opportunities that support our school system’s goals and better serves our community."
They want too much money.
On to Terminal Two or Clack.
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Sounds like a negotiation. PDP offers X. PPS counters with Y. When they don't agree on terms, PDP says thanks anyway, can get a better deal somewhere else. That's one reason they started the whole process looking at multiple sites. It's good to have options. I'm sure they left the door open for PPS to come down more, and PDP to sweeten the deal. It ain't over until Roseanne sings the national anthem.

:cheers:
 
What PDP needs to do is find another suitable site for PPS, take an option on it, and offer to include a land swap in the deal.
 
It's clownzano, so keep that in mind:

A lot of people are asking me about the latest news on the The Portland Diamond Project. The effort to bring Major League Baseball to Portland starts with a stadium, right?

Here's what I know:

-- The Portland Diamond Project withdrew its offer on the Portland Public Schools site. It was 13.5 acres. It was a great site, and would have been easily executable, but there was push back from some community groups and the PDP decided it had better options that also respected the wishes of those groups. I wouldn't view the pull back on the PPS site as anything more than the Portland Diamond Project abandoning the offer and zeroing in on their preferred site.

-- I've learned that the Portland Diamond Project has already secured land rights outside the City of Portland. It's a back-up site, however. The intention of the group is to build inside the city limits. I'll try to nail down what that back-up site is, but my best hunch points toward something on the river inside the city limits of Milwaukie.

-- The Diamond Project earlier made a preliminary bid for industrial property in Northwest Portland owned by ESCO Corp., which was snapped up by other developers for $33 million. They were also interested in city-owned Terminal One., but it was sold to Lithia Motors for $11.1 million.

-- The PDP will unveil and announce their agreement on their preferred site this month, I'm told. So that's roughly three weeks maximum. That announcement is going to be made in the month of November. Simple process of elimination given the sites that have already been reported/eliminated leaves city-owned Terminal Two as a strong possibility. It's on the bank of the Willamette River, northwest of the Fremont Bridge. I don't have that confirmed. Purely educated conjecture. But it would be a great site and that's what I know there.

-- I'm also told from people in the ballpark design world that the preferred site is unlike anything that has ever been done. That's exciting. But I want to see some renderings before I go all in on that. When I get them, I'll give them to you here. Until then, I'm thinking translucent roof? Natural grass? You?

-- There is a third site in play. Probably another back-up site. It's being handled very hush-hush, however. That tells me it's probably already tied up in some other way. I'm looking hard at other large plots of possibly available real estate in the Portland city limits. The 33-acre plot owned by Zidell Yards comes immediately to mind. Especially since they're on record as having already met with the Portland Diamond Project. It's directly on the Willamette and makes great use of the Tilikum Bridge. A city official told me the Zidell family is having extensive meetings with Zidell Yards this week. The development plan that the city and Zidell had teamed up on originally is in serious jeopardy. If that can't be rectified this week, I expect it becomes an attractive option for Portland's ballpark.

More as I know it...

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/o...dex.ssf/2018/11/portland_diamond_project.html
 
BBert said:
Sounds like a negotiation. PDP offers X. PPS counters with Y. When they don't agree on terms, PDP says thanks anyway, can get a better deal somewhere else. That's one reason they started the whole process looking at multiple sites. It's good to have options. I'm sure they left the door open for PPS to come down more, and PDP to sweeten the deal. It ain't over until Roseanne sings the national anthem.

:cheers:
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PDP, how can I explain it, I'll take it frame by frame it, to have y'all jumpin', shoutin', sayin' it...
 
santeesioux said:
It's clownzano, so keep that in mind:

A lot of people are asking me about the latest news on the The Portland Diamond Project. The effort to bring Major League Baseball to Portland starts with a stadium, right?

Here's what I know:

-- The Portland Diamond Project withdrew its offer on the Portland Public Schools site. It was 13.5 acres. It was a great site, and would have been easily executable, but there was push back from some community groups and the PDP decided it had better options that also respected the wishes of those groups. I wouldn't view the pull back on the PPS site as anything more than the Portland Diamond Project abandoning the offer and zeroing in on their preferred site.

-- I've learned that the Portland Diamond Project has already secured land rights outside the City of Portland. It's a back-up site, however. The intention of the group is to build inside the city limits. I'll try to nail down what that back-up site is, but my best hunch points toward something on the river inside the city limits of Milwaukie.

-- The Diamond Project earlier made a preliminary bid for industrial property in Northwest Portland owned by ESCO Corp., which was snapped up by other developers for $33 million. They were also interested in city-owned Terminal One., but it was sold to Lithia Motors for $11.1 million.

-- The PDP will unveil and announce their agreement on their preferred site this month, I'm told. So that's roughly three weeks maximum. That announcement is going to be made in the month of November. Simple process of elimination given the sites that have already been reported/eliminated leaves city-owned Terminal Two as a strong possibility. It's on the bank of the Willamette River, northwest of the Fremont Bridge. I don't have that confirmed. Purely educated conjecture. But it would be a great site and that's what I know there.

-- I'm also told from people in the ballpark design world that the preferred site is unlike anything that has ever been done. That's exciting. But I want to see some renderings before I go all in on that. When I get them, I'll give them to you here. Until then, I'm thinking translucent roof? Natural grass? You?

-- There is a third site in play. Probably another back-up site. It's being handled very hush-hush, however. That tells me it's probably already tied up in some other way. I'm looking hard at other large plots of possibly available real estate in the Portland city limits. The 33-acre plot owned by Zidell Yards comes immediately to mind. Especially since they're on record as having already met with the Portland Diamond Project. It's directly on the Willamette and makes great use of the Tilikum Bridge. A city official told me the Zidell family is having extensive meetings with Zidell Yards this week. The development plan that the city and Zidell had teamed up on originally is in serious jeopardy. If that can't be rectified this week, I expect it becomes an attractive option for Portland's ballpark.

More as I know it...

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/o...dex.ssf/2018/11/portland_diamond_project.html
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I'm not aware of ant site along the river that is in Milwaukie City limits unless its the piece next to (south) Waverly CC.
I remember the last guys a few years back talked about the site off 205 and Lawnfield rd where antenna's are standing. It would actually be a perfect site as its close right off 205 back against Mt.Talbert flat and ready.
 
Hoopguru said:
I'm not aware of ant site along the river that is in Milwaukie City limits unless its the piece next to (south) Waverly CC.
I remember the last guys a few years back talked about the site off 205 and Lawnfield rd where antenna's are standing. It would actually be a perfect site as its close right off 205 back against Mt.Talbert flat and ready.
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Looking at the Milwaukie map, what is currently at River Front park? The satellite image does not look much like a park.
 
I wonder how much Eastmoreland Golf course would cost?
 
It’s going to be Zidell Yards or terminal 2

Most likely terminal 2 no way these guys would have the stadium in the burbs.. that just doesn’t make any sense
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Looking at the Milwaukie map, what is currently at River Front park? The satellite image does not look much like a park.
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Not near large enough. The piece from Johnson Creek to waverly cc is a peninsula that could be developed.
 
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