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Why does Monroe want out of Detroit? Maybe because it requires living in Detroit...I think Olshey is trying to build the best bench in the league. If Monroe takes Kaman's spot, he will build leads like crazy against 2nd units. Lamarcus and Plumlee start, Monroe and Leonard come off the bench..what team can deal with that? He's young, Remember Lamarcus at 25?
 
I'm more on your side than you think on this, Rasta, but can the d-scheming work both ways? As in, Pachulia looked great in MIL's defense, and Monroe did well in DET's, but those won't translate to our Sieve Defensive Scheme (though we were highly ranked for a while). Does it then follow that we could have Beverly/Allen/Kawhi/LeBron/Gobert and Stotts' defense would just negate those talents? And if so, does it matter? And if not, can't a defense be devised to make them look as good as they did on their old team? I mean, the same scheme that worked for last year's personnel may not be the best for this year's. If Josh Smith instead of LMA was our PF (blech) would we run anything close to as many pick-and-pops? Then why would we play the same D?
 
oldmangrouch said:
Serious question:

Can anybody name an available center they would actually be *excited* about getting? By consensus, Gasol is the best of the bunch and even he has holes in his game.
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Yeah its as if some fans expect every target to be Anthony Davis, LeBron and Steph Curry.

Do fringe allstar NBA players have serious holes in there games? You bet they do! Especially when they are at an age players typically continue to improve.
 
riverman said:
Why does Monroe want out of Detroit? Maybe because it requires living in Detroit...I think Olshey is trying to build the best bench in the league. If Monroe takes Kaman's spot, he will build leads like crazy against 2nd units. Lamarcus and Plumlee start, Monroe and Leonard come off the bench..what team can deal with that? He's young, Remember Lamarcus at 25?
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Monroe isn't signing a max deal to take kamans spot. He would start
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Some of you dudes just need something to complain about. You bitch about us needing to get younger, guard a pick and roll and needing a low post offensive force. Then when we are rumoredto be meeting someone who does just that, more complaints happen about something else. It's like nobody can ever win
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It's one person doing this bro. Don't group all of us
 
riverman said:
Why does Monroe want out of Detroit? Maybe because it requires living in Detroit...I think Olshey is trying to build the best bench in the league. If Monroe takes Kaman's spot, he will build leads like crazy against 2nd units. Lamarcus and Plumlee start, Monroe and Leonard come off the bench..what team can deal with that? He's young, Remember Lamarcus at 25?
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Say what?!?!?! Dude Monroe will start
 
It's legitimate to be against signing Monroe

It's not like he's an all-star, and yes, his defense leaves a lot to be desired

It's not a home run move imo
 
Sarcastic point: I didn't know so many people were watching Detroit play and saying "if only we could have that guy!"
Serious point: Monroe is not a great player. If we had him on a rookie contract and didn't ask much of him, I'd be ecstatic. But having him come in on a big contract is a recipe for disappointment. Detroit is letting him go because he's a limited player.

Look: if you want reliable low post scoring and rebounding and you don't care about defense, try Boban Marjanovic. The guy is huge and skilled and unstoppable. He put up record breaking Euroleague numbers. And he'd be a lot cheaper. But of course you'd have to design your whole scheme around covering up his flaws.

I say again: if the Pistons weren't that great defensively with Monroe and Andre Drummond, how shitty would we be with Monroe and Aldridge? And we're acting like Monroe is a really great low post scorer. But as the article I quoted pointed out - he actually isn't.
 
magnifier661 said:
Say what?!?!?! Dude Monroe will start
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Steve Kerr was a genius bring an allstar off the bench..Monroe may very well start. I'm not setting the roster. Whether he starts or not, he'll get big minutes..I'd want his offense when Lamarcus was resting early in games. You're basically looking at Meyers, LA, Monroe and Plumlee..shuffle these four guys any which way according to matchups and you've got a hell of a team
 
Detroit has no choice of resigning him. That's a stupid argument. He signed the qo last year so he could leave.

And we are Portland, if you had forgotten. Greg monroe, issues and all, would be the best player we have signed in free agency since brian grant.

He's an upgrade for us
 
Here's the thing:
Either LA is staying or he's going.
If he's staying (or if we want to convince him to stay) we want to sign players who will work well with him. A big defensive-minded center would be that. Ideally Marc Gasol, of course, but certainly Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Drummond. Not Greg Monroe.
If LA's going, then we can't afford to tie up our money in less-than-stellar players. Greg Monroe is no replacement for LA, especially if he can't play PF, because then we'd have a logjam at C and no PF, and we've spent all our money. (The idea of Monroe and Leonard playing together only sounds good if you're just thinking of O. It would be horrifying on D.)

So Monroe is far from the best choice whether Aldridge is staying OR going. It just smacks of desperation - just like Kaman did, only more expensive and at a more pivotal point in our development. It's like: "here's a halfway decent player who will actually take our money!" But if we're in that boat, why not offer it to Milsap? Atlanta doesn't have his Bird rights and he could actually play PF. Plus he's actually proved he can be an important part of a really good team, which Monroe certainly hasn't.

People seem to think Monroe is a good player because he puts up good points and rebound numbers. So did JJ Hickson.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Here's the thing:
Either LA is staying or he's going.
If he's staying (or if we want to convince him to stay) we want to sign players who will work well with him. A big defensive-minded center would be that. Ideally Marc Gasol, of course, but certainly Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Drummond. Not Greg Monroe.
If LA's going, then we can't afford to tie up our money in less-than-stellar players. Greg Monroe is no replacement for LA, especially if he can't play PF, because then we'd have a logjam at C and no PF, and we've spent all our money. (The idea of Monroe and Leonard playing together only sounds good if you're just thinking of O. It would be horrifying on D.)

So Monroe is far from the best choice whether Aldridge is staying OR going. It just smacks of desperation - just like Kaman did, only more expensive and at a more pivotal point in our development.

People seem to think Monroe is a good player because he puts up good points and rebound numbers. So did JJ Hickson.
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I don't remember seeing almost every team in the league want to sign JJ Hickson to a max deal..these guys know a bit about the game you know
 
I'm starting to warm up on Monroe as a center. He's probably a better defender there then I give him credit for, and if Aldridge can make average centers look good, imagine what he'll do for Monroe. Plus we'd still have money to fill in the wings.
If LA still left, Leonard would be a perfect fit next to Monroe, and Meyers/Monroe/Plumlee/Vonleh is a great young group of bigs. Add Harris or Middleton to that and you have something brewing.
Honestly I wouldn't call that a rebuild, because most rebuilds take years to build a core like that.
 
Who the hell wants a center that's bad/slow on defense and doesn't protect the rim? And then give that guy a MAX deal? A center is supposed to make it tough on the opposing team in the paint, not easier.

That's just dumb as far as I'm concerned.

I actually want to see how Plumlee develops. Non-stop motor and really athletic for the position. Intrigues me a lot.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Here's the thing:
Either LA is staying or he's going.
If he's staying (or if we want to convince him to stay) we want to sign players who will work well with him. A big defensive-minded center would be that. Ideally Marc Gasol, of course, but certainly Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Drummond. Not Greg Monroe.
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The problem is Neil isn't running a fantasy team where he can just pick whatever the NBA's best centers are out there. Of course we'd love to have DeAndre Jordan or Andre Drummond. We'd love to have Anthony Davis as well. Those guys just aren't available. Your comparing Monroe to a handful of the best centers in the game and showing he falls short. Well no shit. The centers we could actually sign would be more like Brandon Wright or Kosta Koufous. Do you want to pay $10 million a year for one of them? Sure they are fine backups but they don't have the upside to their game that Monroe has.
 
Draco said:
The problem is Neil isn't running a fantasy team where he can just pick whatever the NBA's best centers are out there. Of course we'd love to have DeAndre Jordan or Andre Drummond. We'd love to have Anthony Davis as well. Those guys just aren't available. Your comparing Monroe to a handful of the best centers in the game and showing he falls short. Well no shit. The centers we could actually sign would be more like Brandon Wright or Kosta Koufous. Do you want to pay $10 million a year for one of them? Sure they are fine backups but they don't have the upside to their game that Monroe has.
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Well said Draco
 
ISO ball is the same as ISO fandom..doesn't work. Defense is a complete team skill. Each player is virtually one appendage of a body and they all work together or it doesn't work at all. Spurs figured that out ages ago. It's how a team plays defense as a unit, not how an individual beat his assignment one on one.
 
Beyond the roster changes, I want Thibbs as our defensive coordinator starting tomorrow, that's his natural skill and Stotts and Thibbs together would rock the league.
 
riverman said:
Beyond the roster changes, I want Thibbs as our defensive coordinator starting tomorrow, that's his natural skill and Stotts and Thibbs together would rock the league.
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Thibs probably wants to be a hc. But, I'd hope Paul Allen would be willing to open hiswallet and pay thibs big money as dc
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Thibs probably wants to be a hc. But, I'd hope Paul Allen would be willing to open hiswallet and pay thibs big money as dc
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I'm convinced that alone brings a championship..coaching is also a team sport and he's done it for team USA with pretty good success. Nate is a defensive coordinator for Indy, Kanales in Dallas. Alvin Gentry did it for the Warriors..it's a good place to spend some money and see quick results.
 
riverman said:
I'm convinced that alone brings a championship..coaching is also a team sport and he's done it for team USA with pretty good success. Nate is a defensive coordinator for Indy, Kanales in Dallas. Alvin Gentry did it for the Warriors..it's a good place to spend some money and see quick results.
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He's away above of being an assistant at this point, Im thinking.
 
riverman said:
ISO ball is the same as ISO fandom..doesn't work. Defense is a complete team skill. Each player is virtually one appendage of a body and they all work together or it doesn't work at all. Spurs figured that out ages ago. It's how a team plays defense as a unit, not how an individual beat his assignment one on one.
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And the Spurs also have guys that play good defense and can keep their guys in front of them

It's no surprise their defense is good with Duncan, Kawai, Green, etc on their defense. Each individually are good defenders. Kawai was 1st team all nba on defense and Duncan was 2nd team. Hmm, go figure.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
He's away above of being an assistant at this point, Im thinking.
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Actually he failed at it. He's not a diplomat and can't bridge the roster front office gap. He's a defensive coordinator..won a ring in Boston doing that for Rivers and didn't get a ring in Chicago. He's a specialist without communication skills beyond coaching.
 
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