Politics Multiple sources confirm AOC owns a Tesla, parked it illegally in front of the Whole Foods

[ABM]

Good for you, I too have had to work hard and haven’t had anything handed to me. On the flip side I don’t mind paying my fair share of taxes, and expect a well ran functioning government that responds to my and my communities needs.

Agreed.

 

[riverman]

Socialism, in and of itself, answers that question.

Socialism is not logged onto the forum nor was it asked the question.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nothing, other than my tax dollars going to support and maintain her Santa Claus Socialist policies. My sig has a comment on that, below, as well.

Which specific policies has she proposed which would give you lower return for your tax dollars?

 

[Voodoo]

Socialism, in and of itself, answers that question.

Maybe you misread what I wrote, but I was talking about AOC and your taxes. Can you provide an example of where she’s suggested raising your personal taxes?

 

[ABM]

Socialism is not logged onto the forum nor was it asked the question.

Go back to your garden.

 

[riverman]

Go back to your garden.

Rained last night...no need to water the garden today but I did feed the chickens and got two eggs....they were delicious. Just planted two more blueberry shrubs at the end of a raised bed....the rain was good timing. Don't you have some lap dog poop to pick up or something?
( Disclaimer....This post is intended for humor...please don't get HCP fired for it!)

 

[ABM]

Maybe you misread what I wrote, but I was talking about AOC and your taxes. Can you provide an example of where she’s suggested raising your personal taxes?

Last I had read, she absolutely wants to raise taxes (up to around 70%) on the so-called rich. Once that happens, I believe it will pave the way towards program after program. I mean, why not? The rich deserve to pay for anything and everything they conjure up. She's left of the mainstream left...steering towards Socialism. Her and Bernie, both. The whole thought of that possibility doesn't bode well with me. At any rate, AOC ain't Prez, so it doesn't really matter, I suppose. Big Joe may be distancing himself from her.

 

[ABM]

Rained last night...no need to water the garden today but I did feed the chickens and got two eggs....they were delicious. Just planted two more blueberry shrubs at the end of a raised bed....the rain was good timing. Don't you have some lap dog poop to pick up or something?
( Disclaimer....This post is intended for humor...please don't get HCP fired for it!)

Lap dog poop?? No idea what you're talking about. But, if it involves HCP, I'm sure it's gotta be funz, FAMS.

 

[RR7]

Last I had read, she absolutely wants to raise taxes (up to around 70%) on the so-called rich. Once that happens, I believe it will pave the way towards program after program. I mean, why not? The rich deserve to pay for anything and everything they conjure up. She's left of the mainstream left...steering towards Socialism. Her and Bernie, both. The whole thought of that possibility doesn't bode well with me. At any rate, AOC ain't Prez, so it doesn't really matter, I suppose. Big Joe may be distancing himself from her.

She wants a 70% tax rate on income over 10 MILLION dollars. So called rich? If someone earning over 10 million dollars isn't rich...

 

[ABM]

She wants a 70% tax rate on income over 10 MILLION dollars. So called rich? If someone earning over 10 million dollars isn't rich...

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Last I had read, she absolutely wants to raise taxes (up to around 70%) on the so-called rich. Once that happens, I believe it will pave the way towards program after program. I mean, why not? The rich deserve to pay for anything and everything they conjure up. She's left of the mainstream left...steering towards Socialism. Her and Bernie, both. The whole thought of that possibility doesn't bode well with me. At any rate, AOC ain't Prez, so it doesn't really matter, I suppose. Big Joe may be distancing himself from her.

From what I've seen she (as well as Bernie) has specifically and repeatedly said her policies are based on the capitalist Nordic and Scandinavian model.

They spend less on Healthcare than we do yet have better health outcomes than we do, spend less on school than we do with better results than we get. They have among the happiest, healthiest, most well educated and longest living populations in the world, and we spend as much or more on those services as they do.

Just trying to understand where you get socialism from when they are using capitalist countries as their examples?

 

[riverman]

You'd better get rid of all of your side bitches if you're going to run. You know some S2 posters will be exposing your Bill Clinton perversion! Slick Doggy?

It's not female problems he'll have...Mrs. Sly keeps him under control...it's the propensity for peeing on tires that will get him busted for indecent public exposure....that's the campaign killer!
The sniffing they can deal with....Joe got away with it. Crotch sniffing....not the same ballpark

 

[ABM]

From what I've seen she (as well as Bernie) has specifically and repeatedly said her policies are based on the capitalist Nordic and Scandinavian model.

They spend less on Healthcare than we do yet have better health outcomes than we do, spend less on school than we do with better results than we get. They have among the happiest, healthiest, most well educated and longest living populations in the world, and we spend as much or more on those services as they do.

Just trying to understand where you get socialism from when they are using capitalist countries as their examples?

Good to know. I'm a Scandi.

Actually, I apologize for me direct connection between AOC/Bernie and all-out Socialism. It's just the cry I've heard over the past few years. Her Green New Deal talk was a ball-buster to me. Not sure where she currently stands on that, but I say let the cows fart all they want!

In terms of health care, I've heard of doctors getting paid based on keeling their respective patients well. I thought this was interesting:

https://nutritionstudies.org/what-if-doctors-were-paid-to-keep-people-well/

 

[Chris Craig]

Government courses , social sciences and political science are taught usually from 11th grade on into higher education levels.....doesn't surprise me when people without the knowledge falsely associate terms like socialism or capitalism without the general ideal of how society works....and claiming to be religious would be sort of a double standard in my view given that Jesus was a socialist who destroyed the temple of the money lenders....and modern religions tend to ask for donations yet pay no taxes.....where's that complaint? Churches by definition should be dealing with the poverty and homeless problem...they've been well paid to do more than pray and take confessions and money from the poor and working class.

Pastor needs a new Cadillac

 

[Chris Craig]

It's not female problems he'll have...Mrs. Sly keeps him under control...it's the propensity for peeing on tires that will get him busted for indecent public exposure....that's the campaign killer!
The sniffing they can deal with....Joe got away with it. Crotch sniffing....not the same ballpark

You forgot about all the bones he has buried

 

[RR7]

Good to know. I'm a Scandi.

Actually, I apologize for me direct connection between AOC/Bernie and all-out Socialism. It's just the cry I've heard over the past few years. Her Green New Deal talk was a ball-buster to me. Not sure where she currently stands on that, but I say let the cows fart all they want!

In terms of health care, I've heard of doctors getting paid based on keeling their respective patients well. I thought this was interesting:

https://nutritionstudies.org/what-if-doctors-were-paid-to-keep-people-well/

What part of the green new deal was a ball buster for you?

 

[ABM]

Churches by definition should be dealing with the poverty and homeless problem...they've been well paid to do more than pray and take confessions and money from the poor and working class.

Agree 100%

BTW, Jesus turned over the money-exchanging tables because the hypocrite Pharisees were scamming the people who were coming to bring sacrifices.

 

[ABM]

What part of the green new deal was a ball buster for you?

More specifically, I'm more into incentivizing/educating people/students to reduce their individual and/or corporate carbon footprint. I'm not certain the GND addresses this. Could be wrong.

 

[RR7]

More specifically, I'm more into incentivizing/educating people/students to reduce their individual and/or corporate carbon footprint. I'm not certain the GND addresses this. Could be wrong.

Have you read AOC's GND proposal? Or did you form a negative opinion of it based on who wrote it and what conservative media presented it as?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

nytimes.com

What Is the Green New Deal? A Climate Proposal, Explained
Lisa Friedman

What is the Green New Deal?
The Green New Deal is a congressional resolution that lays out a grand plan for tackling climate change.

Introduced by Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and Senator Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts, both Democrats, the proposal calls on the federal government to wean the United States from fossil fuels and curb planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions across the economy. It also aims to guarantee new high-paying jobs in clean energy industries.

The resolution is nonbinding, so even if Congress approves it, nothing in the proposal would become law.

Variations of the proposal have been around for years. Think tanks, the Green Party and even the New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman all have had plans for tackling climate change that they labeled a Green New Deal. But after the 2018 midterm elections, a youth activist group called the Sunrise Movement popularized the name by laying out a strategy and holding a sit-in outside the office of Nancy Pelosi, the soon-to-be-speaker of the House of Representatives, to demand action on climate change. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez joined the protesters, lending her support to their proposal and setting the groundwork for what ultimately became the joint resolution.

Will there be a vote on it?
Yes.

Republicans have cast the Green New Deal as a socialist takeover and say it is evidence that Democrats are far from the mainstream on energy issues. Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, plans to bring the plan to the floor as early as next week. Democrats say that the vote would be a stunt because Republican Senate leaders do not want to have a sincere debate about climate change.

What problem is the Green New Deal addressing?

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Credit...Bryan Tarnowski for The New York Times
The goal of the Green New Deal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in order to avoid the worst consequences of climate change while also trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice.

[You can get updates on the Green New Deal, and all our climate coverage, in our weekly climate newsletter. Subscribe today for free.]

The resolution uses as its guide two major reports issued last year by the United Nations and by federal scientists who warned that if global temperatures continue to rise, the world is headed for more intense heat waves, wildfires and droughts. The research shows that the United States economy could lose billions of dollars by the end of the century because of climate change. Currently, carbon emissions are rising, by 3.4 percent last year in the United States and by 2.7 percent globally, according to early estimates.

Supporters of the Green New Deal also believe that change can’t just be a technological feat, and say it must also tackle poverty, income inequality and racial discrimination.

What are its main provisions?
You can read it for yourself here, but here are the essential elements: It says the entire world needs to get to net-zero emissions by 2050 — meaning as much carbon would have to be absorbed as released into the atmosphere — and the United States must take a “leading role” in achieving that.

The Green New Deal calls on the federal government to dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions, create high-paying jobs, ensure that clean air, clean water and healthy food are basic human rights, and end all forms of oppression.

To achieve those goals, the plan calls for the launch of a “10-year mobilization” to reduce carbon emissions in the United States. It envisions sourcing 100 percent of the country’s electricity from renewable and zero-emissions power, digitizing the nation’s power grid, upgrading every building in the country to be more energy-efficient, and overhauling the nation’s transportation system by investing in electric vehicles and high-speed rail.

To address social justice, the resolution says it is the duty of the government to provide job training and new economic development, particularly to communities that currently rely on jobs in fossil fuel industries.



What doesn’t it say?

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Credit...Tom Brenner/The New York Times
President Trump has claimed the Green New Deal will take away your “airplane rights.” Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, told Hugh Hewitt, the conservative radio host, that the proposal would confiscate cars and require Americans to “ride around on high-speed light rail, supposedly powered by unicorn tears.” And Senator John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming and chairman of the Committee on Environment and Public Works, warned that ice cream, cheeseburgers and milkshakes would be a thing of the past because under the Green New Deal, “livestock will be banned.”

The resolution doesn’t do any of those things.

To be sure, there is some confusion about what the Green New Deal does and doesn’t say. That’s partially the fault of its sponsors, who botched the resolution’s initial rollout.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s office initially sent to reporters, but later disavowed, a fact sheet that included some controversial ideas, like guaranteeing economic security including to those “unwilling to work.”

The resolution does call on the federal government to make investments in policies and projects that would eventually change the way we design buildings, travel and eat. For example: cows. To reduce methane, a powerful greenhouse gas that cows and other livestock emit, the resolution proposes “working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible.”

The resolution itself also steers clear of endorsing or rejecting specific technologies or sources of energy, something that Mr. Markey said was done purposefully to encourage broader support for the plan.

What’s with the name?
The Green New Deal takes its name and inspiration from the major government makeover, known as the New Deal, launched by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to help the United States recover from the Great Depression.

That series of public-works programs and financial reforms included the Civilian Conservation Corps (which put people to work in manual labor jobs like planting trees and constructing park trails) and the creation of the Public Works Administration to work on the construction of bridges, dams, schools and more.

Like the original New Deal, the Green New Deal is not a single project or piece of legislation.

What are the costs?
That’s not clear yet.

President Trump claimed it would cost $100 trillion. Supporters of the Green New Deal say climate change could be equally costly to the American economy. For now it’s impossible to pin down dollar figures on the plan.

Some examples of why:

One conservative think tank has pegged the cost to the federal government of providing Medicare-to-all at $32 trillion over 10 years, but supporters claimed it would actually save taxpayers $2 trillion over 10 years.

Converting the country to 100 percent clean power? In Vermont alone, which has a goal of achieving 90 percent renewable energy by midcentury, the cost is estimated at $33 billion. Yet the state is seeing job growth in clean energy sectors and expects the transition will spur cost savings for consumers.

Modernizing the electrical grid across the United States could cost as much as $476 billion, yet reap $2 trillion in benefits, according to a 2011 study issued by the Electric Power Research Institute.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has acknowledged that the Green New Deal is going to be expensive, but contends the plan will pay for itself through economic growth.

Do critics offer alternative proposals?
Some Republicans have called for a technology-oriented solution to climate change, but so far no critic has come out with an alternative that matches the scale or scope of the Green New Deal.

How will the Green New Deal shape the debate?
There is going to be a lot more political jockeying around the Green New Deal in coming weeks and months. Republicans have already launched video ads trying to tie Democrats to the proposal, which they have described as “radical.”

And Mr. McConnell’s vote is directly aimed at making life uncomfortable for Democratic presidential contenders like Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar and Kamala Harris. Those senators have all co-sponsored the Green New Deal resolution but in some cases have avoided specifics. Ms. Klobuchar, for example, told CNN she saw the Green New Deal as an “aspiration” and “something that we need to move toward.”

At the same time, all of the attention on the Green New Deal has put new pressure on Republican critics to come up with their own plan for cutting greenhouse gases.

It is likely that the Green New Deal will remain a lightning rod throughout the 2020 presidential campaign.

For more news on climate and the environment, follow @NYTClimate on Twitter.

 

[ABM]

Have you read AOC's GND proposal? Or did you form a negative opinion of it based on who wrote it and what conservative media presented it as?

Some of it. Again, I'd rather incentivize companies to find alternatives, rather than carbon tax them to death. Also, to me, 2030 is rather aggressive.

Some Dems agree.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...limate-plan-to-rival-green-new-deal-with-2050

 

[Phatguysrule]

Some of it. Again, I'd rather incentivize companies to find alternatives, rather than carbon tax them to death. Also, to me, 2030 is rather aggressive.

Some Dems agree.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...limate-plan-to-rival-green-new-deal-with-2050

But the Carbon Fee (actually Green House Gas) and Dividend IS the incentive for individuals. Companies don't have to pay it, they just pass cost along to the price of the end product. This encourages individual consumers to make choices which use fewer green house gasses.

The dividend is then distributed progressively to prevent the middle class and poor from being hurt financially by the transition.

The wealthy will not be impacted, other than shifting their business model to meet the increased consumer demand for more greenhouse friendly alternatives.

 

[riverman]

Some of it. Again, I'd rather incentivize companies to find alternatives, rather than carbon tax them to death. Also, to me, 2030 is rather aggressive.

Some Dems agree.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...limate-plan-to-rival-green-new-deal-with-2050

You know what's even more aggressive? Climate change

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We desperately need to upgrade the electrical grid. Not sure why that is considered part of the GND because the there are serious security and efficiency issues with the current grid.

 

[RR7]

Some of it. Again, I'd rather incentivize companies to find alternatives, rather than carbon tax them to death. Also, to me, 2030 is rather aggressive.

Some Dems agree.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...limate-plan-to-rival-green-new-deal-with-2050

What does she say about carbon taxes?

 

[ABM]

What does she say about carbon taxes?

I've heard she has wanted them included. But, you know what? There's also mention of them from corporations, which I find interesting.

https://newrepublic.com/article/153953/corporate-america-terrified-green-new-deal

 

[Shaboid]

We desperately need to upgrade the electrical grid. Not sure why that is considered part of the GND because the there are serious security and efficiency issues with the current grid.

Dude, seriously. Look at the terror the Colonial pipeline caused on the east coast. If hackers were ever to take portions of our utilities for ransom it would be chaos.

 

[ABM]

Sounds like Jesus has got a bit of an anger management issue. But if he had to make it a point to show them he was pissed, he should've went all gangster on their asses instead of just flipping some tables.

So says the tyrant. Of ants, no less.

 

[barfo]

Sounds like Jesus has got a bit of an anger management issue.

It's probably genetic. His old man was a serial killer, after all.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

We desperately need to upgrade the electrical grid. Not sure why that is considered part of the GND because the there are serious security and efficiency issues with the current grid.

Yes. And bury it ALL in huge conduit that all utilities can use. Get rid of all powerlines.