Mystery still clouds Oden's Blazer status

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Greg has my full support and I don't think he's done anything wrong. The Blazers are the ones keeping secrets here. Why they don't come clean about Oden's injury is beyond my comprehension.
 
magnifier661 said:
How many functions have oden gone to supporting the community? How many signing parties has he done? The few times I see him, he's itching for the locker at home games. He disconnected himself from the fans and city. And still you see kids and adults supporting him and wearing his number. Any other city and fan base would want his head. Pressure in portland?! Fucking please. If he was in l.a. Or new York; they would be after his head.

Our fan base, city and team has done nothing to support him. If he can play yet chooses to leave and play somewhere else; he is a piece of shit and I wish him the worst. And I hope the other team is suckered into giving him a 4 year albatross contract that is untradeable too.
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I must be in the minority, but I couldn't give two shits about any of that stuff.
 
I still think the most sensible explanation is that he has decided he would like to start over somewhere else and has informed the Blazers of that. His agent feels he only has one contract left in him so they want it to be a good one. They feel the best way to get that is to rehab as long as possible, then have him play a little bit at the end of the season to show his potential. In exchange for their collaboration, the Blazers asked to pay a lower salary this year and also perhaps got an agreement from Oden that he would be amenable to a sign and trade so that at least the Blazers could get something out of this. Oden is not commenting in public because he doesn't want to have to lie about the situation. It is even possible that he attends games only so he will be seen as a "team player" to increase his contract value.
I am not condemning Oden in the least for this strategy; he should do what is possible to maximize his income for life; and if he doesn't feel he can be happy in Portland, he should move on; that would be in the best interest of everyone.
 
Horseshit!! So you're saying Greg needs to rehab long enough to go burn another franchise for 20 mill? GREED IS GOOD!!!! I guess he couldn't live on the first 20 mill right? He has to worry about his finances and all? HAHHA! What a laugher!

If I was any other team he goes to, I'd have a performance clause in his contract that says, "Greg Odens salary is void unless he plays a minimum of 40 games a year." Etched in stone!!!
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I still think the most sensible explanation is that he has decided he would like to start over somewhere else and has informed the Blazers of that. His agent feels he only has one contract left in him so they want it to be a good one. They feel the best way to get that is to rehab as long as possible, then have him play a little bit at the end of the season to show his potential. In exchange for their collaboration, the Blazers asked to pay a lower salary this year and also perhaps got an agreement from Oden that he would be amenable to a sign and trade so that at least the Blazers could get something out of this. Oden is not commenting in public because he doesn't want to have to lie about the situation. It is even possible that he attends games only so he will be seen as a "team player" to increase his contract value.
I am not condemning Oden in the least for this strategy; he should do what is possible to maximize his income for life; and if he doesn't feel he can be happy in Portland, he should move on; that would be in the best interest of everyone.
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actually I would condemn Oden for this sttategy if it was at all true, and the Blazer agreeing to this is BS IMO. He's gotten paid over 20 mill dollars, if the docs say he can play then IMO his ass should be on the court playing - period! If he leaves after this summer fine, but play if you are able!
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I still think the most sensible explanation is that he has decided he would like to start over somewhere else and has informed the Blazers of that. His agent feels he only has one contract left in him so they want it to be a good one. They feel the best way to get that is to rehab as long as possible, then have him play a little bit at the end of the season to show his potential. In exchange for their collaboration, the Blazers asked to pay a lower salary this year and also perhaps got an agreement from Oden that he would be amenable to a sign and trade so that at least the Blazers could get something out of this. Oden is not commenting in public because he doesn't want to have to lie about the situation. It is even possible that he attends games only so he will be seen as a "team player" to increase his contract value.
I am not condemning Oden in the least for this strategy; he should do what is possible to maximize his income for life; and if he doesn't feel he can be happy in Portland, he should move on; that would be in the best interest of everyone.
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Possible, but you have to admit that what you're saying is based upon sheer conjecture. It's equally plausible that the Blazers want to retain the right to offer Greg the sweetest deal next summer should he show that he's worth it.
 
Ghost Pepper said:
Horseshit!! So you're saying Greg needs to rehab long enough to go burn another franchise for 20 mill? GREED IS GOOD!!!! I guess he couldn't live on the first 20 mill right? He has to worry about his finances and all? HAHHA! What a laugher!

If I was any other team he goes to, I'd have a performance clause in his contract that says, "Greg Odens salary is void unless he plays a minimum of 40 games a year." Etched in stone!!!
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Blah, blah, blah...I'm going to get really angry about a hypothetical situation that may have no basis in reality.
 
Blazinaway said:
actually I would condemn Oden for this sttategy if it was at all true, and the Blazer agreeing to this is BS IMO. He's gotten paid over 20 mill dollars, if the docs say he can play then IMO his ass should be on the court playing - period! If he leaves after this summer fine, but play if you are able!
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And there's absolutely no reason to believe that it is true. People are just making stuff up and throwing it at the wall to see if it sticks.
 
IF GO feels he owes nothing to Ptown for all the support and money he's been given over four years for doing next to nothing, then his character and class has been clearly shown. It's in his court, at his age he knows right from wrong and this offseason will define him not only as a basketball player but more importantly a human being!
 
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I'm a big fan of Oden, and hope he can get healthy and contribute on the court.

But in the offseason the team is going to have to look at bringing in a stud free agent like Deron Williams. If we have to renounce Oden to do that deal then it’s in the best interest of the franchise. I hope Oden considers renewing a contract with us, but if we are going to consider going in a different direction then I don't think it’s fair to expect him to have more loyalty then we show toward him. If we are willing to pay him as much as another city then I hope he considers staying here. But if he is really homesick and depressed I can understand him evaluating other options and making sure it’s a good fit. If he doesn’t want to be in Portland I don’t want him here. If he wants to bounce back from the injuries here I would love to have him stay with the team. All I want is for him to give us serious consideration for returning, and if it isn't in the best interest of him or the team then fine both parties can go in a different direction.

He has been in Portland for 5 years, ever since he was a 19 year old. That’s what, over 20% of his life? And it’s been an absolute disaster. He was very social and talkative and public his first few years of rehab. He had his own radio show and commented all the time on his rehab and talked with the media. Just as Brandon right now is too emotional to have any public appearances I think Oden is just sad from his injuries and is sick of talking about them in public. If he gets healthy and is playing for a few weeks there would be a drastic chance in his demeanor and he would be commenting to the media and interacting with fans all the time.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
If they have moved on why not trade him to a team willing to take the risk?

Either way, the management has handled this entire situation horribly.
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This year Oden effectively has a no trade clause. He has to approve any trade because he will lose his bird rights.
 
Ghost Pepper said:
IF GO feels he owes nothing to Ptown for all the support and money he's been given over four years for doing next to nothing, then his character and class has been clearly shown. It's in his court, at his age he knows right from wrong and this offseason will define him not only as a basketball player but more importantly a human being!
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A moral issue? You really think this is about "right and wrong?" Wow.
 
Draco said:
This year Oden effectively has a no trade clause. He has to approve any trade because he will lose his bird rights.
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I don't think that this is correct. If he's traded, his bird rights go to his new team.
 
e_blazer said:
I don't think that this is correct. If he's traded, his bird rights go to his new team.
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No, I'm pretty sure Draco is right assuming Oden signed the QO. The problem is, he signed a restructured contract. We don't know the details about that.
 
B-Roy said:
No, I'm pretty sure Draco is right assuming Oden signed the QO. The problem is, he signed a restructured contract. We don't know the details about that.
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You'd assume Brass would make sure they hold the Bird Rights; since it's the only advantage they have. But I wonder if a "sign and trade" would be another advantage? Meaning... If a team wants to offer a longer term "Bird Right Deal"; then we could get something in return?
 
Oden might never again wear a Trail Blazer uniform. The odds of him re-signing with Portland seem as slim as the big guy remaining injury-free the rest of his career. That’s a discomforting thought for the team’s followers, not to mention members of its front office.

“Nobody knows how this is going to play out for Greg,” Buchanan says. “We’re hoping he’ll be able to return and play at some point. We know there’s the potential that he won’t.”

 
magnifier661 said:
You'd assume Brass would make sure they hold the Bird Rights; since it's the only advantage they have. But I wonder if a "sign and trade" would be another advantage? Meaning... If a team wants to offer a longer term "Bird Right Deal"; then we could get something in return?
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We still have his bird rights, its just if he is traded right now the team who acquires him wouldn't have his bird rights. We can still sign and trade him in the offseason. At least thats how it was under the previous CBA for players who signed a 1 year QO. That is how Devon George was initially able to block the Jason Kidd trade.

Now as B-Roy states I'm not certain if the new CBA or the restructed 1 year contract impact this, but from everything I have read it appears Oden does have the right to refuse any trade involving him that we make this season.
 
Draco said:
We still have his bird rights, its just if he is traded right now the team who acquires him wouldn't have his bird rights. We can still sign and trade him in the offseason. At least thats how it was under the previous CBA for players who signed a 1 year QO. That is how Devon George was initially able to block the Jason Kidd trade.

Now as B-Roy states I'm not certain if the new CBA or the restructed 1 year contract impact this, but from everything I have read it appears Oden does have the right to refuse any trade involving him that we make this season.
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Ahhhh okay we are talking about trading him this season? Okay I didn't read back that far. My mistake.
 
Nikolokolus, if this is only about money than don't ya think Ptown should get something for the money they've spent? 20 mill + for half of one season is hardly a fair return..

We are actually paying this guy over a mill to sit courtside at NBA games and watch! How much would any of you pay for his seats all year?

Meanwhile Patty Mills who can actually run down the court has been turned into a cheerleader in the cheap seats! The Irony!
 
And fans have every right to be upset. They've invested a lot of their "love" for Oden. So being upset at fans thinking Oden needs to do what they think "Is the moral and right thing" has everything to do with character. This is absolutely a business and he is free to do what his "Heart desires" in terms of city, team or girls he plans to show his cock to. But to think our fan base should be understanding of the possibility of him leaving is total bullshit. I hope our fan base Boo's him and burns his Jerseys if he bolts this fan base and team that supported him 100%.
 
B-Roy said:
No, I'm pretty sure Draco is right assuming Oden signed the QO. The problem is, he signed a restructured contract. We don't know the details about that.
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Yeah, I stand corrected (actually, I'm sitting, but the fact is Draco is right). I just looked it up on the CBA FAQ. Unless something's changed in the new CBA, the Blazers would have to get Greg's approval for a trade...something he's not likely to give since it would cost him his Bird rights.
 
Ghost Pepper said:
Nikolokolus, if this is only about money than don't ya think Ptown should get something for the money they've spent? 20 mill + for half of one season is hardly a fair return..

We are actually paying this guy over a mill to sit courtside at NBA games and watch! How much would any of you pay for his seats all year?

Meanwhile Patty Mills who can actually run down the court has been turned into a cheerleader in the cheap seats! The Irony!
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Paul Allen spent that money, not the fans ... and if you only bought tickets to see one player then I blame you for being short-sighted. Personally, I root for the laundry, not the name on the back of the jersey.
 
Great you root for the laundry? Well that laundry hasn't won shit because we are playing center by committee because Greg has been under ice for 4 years. We could have had KD with LA right now, imagine that laundry?
 
Ghost Pepper said:
Great you root for the laundry? Well that laundry hasn't won shit because we are playing center by committee because Greg has been under ice for 4 years. We could have had KD with LA right now, imagine that laundry?
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So blame KP and Allen for making the wrong choice.
 
If rumors are true about the interest in DeMarcus Cousins don't you think that's a sign that they don't see G.O. as the long-term solution at Center?
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
If rumors are true about the interest in DeMarcus Cousins don't you think that's a sign that they don't see G.O. as the long-term solution at Center?
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Certainly ... or at least a couple of the heads on this front office "Cerberus" think this way.
 
Ghost Pepper said:
Nikolokolus, if this is only about money than don't ya think Ptown should get something for the money they've spent? 20 mill + for half of one season is hardly a fair return..
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I don't buy this; there are plenty of times we've had players on the roster greatly outperforming their contract. When LaMarcus was our second best player but only on a small rookie contract was that fair to him? The last 4 years Batum has been earning only a million or so but been a great rotational role player worth far more. Should the Blazers vastly overpay Batum now because he was underpaid the last 4 years? I don't believe so.

All NBA rosters have players that outperform the cost of their contract and players who underperform the cost of their contract. It's not Oden's fault we selected him #1 and thus gave him an overpaid contract. It's a sunk cost, both he and the team need to move on. If we can find a mutually benefical deal going forward I would love it. But his previous value comparative to his previous contract is irrelevant.
 
Draco said:
I don't buy this; there are plenty of times we've had players on the roster greatly outperforming their contract. When LaMarcus was our second best player but only on a small rookie contract was that fair to him? The last 4 years Batum has been earning only a million or so but been a great rotational role player worth far more. Should the Blazers vastly overpay Batum now because he was underpaid the last 4 years? I don't believe so.

All NBA rosters have players that outperform the cost of their contract and players who underperform the cost of their contract. It's not Oden's fault we selected him #1 and thus gave him an overpaid contract. It's a sunk cost, both he and the team need to move on. If we can find a mutually benefical deal going forward I would love it. But his previous value comparative to his previous contract is irrelevant.
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Yes the rookie contract has more to do with management's inability to make the right choice. But I suspect anyone with the #1 pick would have picked Oden. Almost makes me think we actually were the "most unlucky" and Seattle was the most lucky. If they got #1 and us #2, that would be reversed.

Regardless, it's not about the money to me. It's about the fans and team standing by him. I don't think there is a soul in here that argues this. And with that; I expect Oden to give us something in return. This maybe a business, but even business has a moral aptitude. And like I said earlier... If Oden was a bust in any large market franchise: Boston had a very good chance to get the #1 pick; his failure would be 100 fold and News almost everyday. He should be grateful that only a few beat writers have taken their jabs at him as appose to the entire fan base.

There is a reason why even now, Portland fans still buy his Jersey and sport it proud at games. They love all their players and want Oden to know this.

Now if Oden comes back this season and gives it a go. Maybe get a 10/10 average; then he will demand a 12 mil per contract. This would be similar to Hibbert's. And I'm sure Portland and countless other teams would be fine giving it to him. This is what seriously pisses me off if he's not planning on playing this season. It's almost like he would rather take it easy and know that he will still get offers of 8 mil per just on a "what if". <--- SAD IF TRUE
 
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