NBA approves Hack a Shaq Rule Changes

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Mediocre Man said:
He won two titles. One as the best player on the team, over 40 years ago. Not sure it's fair to compare them.
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I'd say he was competing in the league even as a poor free throw shooter...so was Shaq
 
fumanchu said:
The second rule change I like, because there is often a lot of grabbing and holding on in-bound plays.

However, I don't think there should be any hack-a-player rules in general. If a guy can't hit a free throw, well then you're stuck paying the price for having him on the court. It adds some strategy to the game that a coach can take advantage of. It never bothers me to see it, it's enjoyable watching guys like Deandre Jordan shitting themselves when they step up to the line for some big free throws.
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I agree 100%
 
If they want fewer free throws from bad free throw shooters, go back to the 1 and 1. Would speed up the game a lot in general, but might encourage more hack-a strategies.

If they want to protect bad free throw shooters from their own shittiness, and discourage intentional fouling, while making trips to the free throw line unbearably long, go back to the 3 shots to make 2 in the hack-a situations.

I say punish the bad free throw shooters, not the game.
 
BBert said:
If they want fewer free throws from bad free throw shooters, go back to the 1 and 1. Would speed up the game a lot in general, but might encourage more hack-a strategies.
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Bring back the 1-and-1, AND make intentional fouls a 1-and-1 AND a technical foul (to be shot by the best FT shooter like a normal technical) on the fouling player. That way, in desperation, it can be deployed, but is effectively a last-gasp maneuver.
 
BBert said:
If they want fewer free throws from bad free throw shooters, go back to the 1 and 1. Would speed up the game a lot in general, but might encourage more hack-a strategies.

If they want to protect bad free throw shooters from their own shittiness, and discourage intentional fouling, while making trips to the free throw line unbearably long, go back to the 3 shots to make 2 in the hack-a situations.

I say punish the bad free throw shooters, not the game.
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They don't want "fewer free throws from bad shooters"--they want fewer players choosing to foul rather than play basketball

They don't want to punish the game or free throw shooters--just teams who are unwilling/unable to play defense.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
No, they should be the best at a general amalgamation of basketball activities, not necessarily at every one of them. Shooting free throws is such a small part of the game that it's ridiculous that such massive import is placed upon it. Honestly, the fact that the best free throw shooters in the world are generally old out of shape white dudes shows that the skill (and that's all it is) is not indicative of NBA talent; by logical extension, NBA talent is not necessarily going to result in effective FT shooting. It's similar to expecting all NBA players to be the best ball-handlers, 3-point shooters, rebounders or post-up players.
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This I whoel Hearftedly disagree with. Whats the average spread for the season for the teams.. 8pts? 10?. How many FT's are shot on average in a game by both teams? 20? 30?

Those 20-30 FREE shots are absolutely a huge factor and can change most games. A team that shoots 60% will like win 5-10 less games than a team that shoots 80%.

I have not stats to back that up, just my opinion on what seems like common sense.
 
Orion Bailey said:
This I whoel Hearftedly disagree with. Whats the average spread for the season for the teams.. 8pts? 10?. How many FT's are shot on average in a game by both teams? 20? 30?

Those 20-30 FREE shots are absolutely a huge factor and can change most games. A team that shoots 60% will like win 5-10 less games than a team that shoots 80%.

I have not stats to back that up, just my opinion on what seems like common sense.
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That illustrates my point. A minor skill (the ability to make an unguarded shot from 15-foot) has a disproportionately large impact on the game overall as compared to other much more intrinsic skills. Reducing the free throw's overall impact on the game would be a good thing.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Would Bird win without Mchale?

Magic without Kareem?
Michael without Pippen?


Can be said about most regardless of FT%.
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Correct. That wasn't the discussion though. Discussion was if a shitty FT shooter could lead a team to a title. In today's game, I don't think so. Shaq was awful, but he had two top 10ish players alongside him
 
PtldPlatypus said:
That illustrates my point. A minor skill (the ability to make an unguarded shot from 15-foot) has a disproportionately large impact on the game overall as compared to other much more intrinsic skills. Reducing the free throw's overall impact on the game would be a good thing.
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Oh gotcha. Damn you and BNM need to remember that some of us only understand layman's terms. ;)

Not sure if I agree though. I think the free throw is a great offset to fouls (except when the fouled player cant make a ft). What else would be a deterant to fouling then?
Dont you think that that would slow the game down even more because more fouling would occur to stop the opponents flow?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Oh gotcha. Damn you and BNM need to remember that some of us only understand layman's terms. ;)

Not sure if I agree though. I think the free throw is a great offset to fouls (except when the fouled player cant make a ft). What else would be a deterant to fouling then?
Dont you think that that would slow the game down even more because more fouling would occur to stop the opponents flow?
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The only change I've ever advocated is giving the fouled team the option to take a side out rather than free throws, and that option be available only on off-ball fouls. And no, I absolutely don't think that would result in more fouling. It would simply eliminate the incentive to foul intentionally.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Correct. That wasn't the discussion though. Discussion was if a shitty FT shooter could lead a team to a title. In today's game, I don't think so. Shaq was awful, but he had two top 10ish players alongside him
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Iggy was awful at the FT line in 2015 playoffs and he led Warriors to championship. Bogut was bad too.
 
And yes, Shaq had Kobe but Shaq won Finals MVP all 3 times they won together.
 
LeBron led Cavs to championship as a 66% FT shooter throughout the playoffs.
 
If you think that's not low enough to be shitty. Shaq shot 65% from 3 during 2002 playoffs.
 
I'm in the camp that making your free throws is part of the game.

Hack a Shaq isn't free for the fouling team.

It adds strategy to the game for both coaches. Keep him in? Foul him?

Teams intentionally foul to stop the clock. Boring. We get to watch commercials instead of basketball. Where does it end?

Wilt was horrible at FTs. This isn't new.

If anything, upping the rosters from 12 who can suit up to 15 is the culprit. Gives 18 more fouls to give. And who wants to watch 13-15 play anyway?
 
Mediocre Man said:
But would Shaq have won without Kobe and Wade?
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No, just like Jordan (an excellent free throw shooter) wouldn't have won without Pippen. No player in league history has won titles by themselves. They either had other stars or a very good team around them.
 
The NBA just needs to follow hockey and give guys 2 minutes in the penalty box...have to play 5 on 4 for those 2 minutes ...that'll clean it up quick
 
Minstrel said:
No, just like Jordan (an excellent free throw shooter) wouldn't have won without Pippen. No player in league history has won titles by themselves. They either had other stars or a very good team around them.
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Id Say this years team was closest to that though. Kinda the one man LBJ show.
 
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