Notice NBA Considers Changing Shot Clock Rule.....

[KingSpeed]

This is a major rule change. Only 14 secs after offensive rebound???

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...hot-Clock-To-14-Seconds-On-Offensive-Rebounds

 

[H.C.]

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/official-around-the-nba-thread-august.333830/page-36

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[Driew]

It seemed to work fine in summer league. It should definitely speed up the pace.

 

[jlprk]

Europeanization is ruining the NBA. Why is it good to speed up the game and have more thoughtless, ill-considered shots?

"the modern game"

 

[dviss1]

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/official-around-the-nba-thread-august.333830/page-36

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I disagree.

I think these rule change suggestions deserve their own thread.

For the record, I'm not in agreement with the reset to 14.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This is a major rule change. Only 14 secs after offensive rebound???

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...hot-Clock-To-14-Seconds-On-Offensive-Rebounds

That's why we let Ed Davis go.

 

[James lamphear]

The summer league had no ill effects on going to 14 sec. Due to most offense rebounds come at the rim. The ones that don't players usually have a good shot due to the defense is not set.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think this is a pretty significant rule change, in my opinion it could have a lot of effect at the end of a game.

 

[borim69]

For most of the game this rule means nothing since most points after an offensive rebound are generally scored within the first 3 seconds. Where this is going to matter is at the end of the game in the final minutes it makes it tougher to run out the clock.

 

[Reep]

This change seems consistent to me with the rest of the timing. The idea is you need 4-8 seconds just to get it up the court. If you have an offensive rebound, you have already run a play of some sort and the offense is still set up. I'm good with the change. Most of the time if an offensive rebounder kicks the ball back out the guard pounds the court for 4-8 seconds before running a play anyway.

 

[borim69]

I do not like the "in Transition rule" in this situation they should bring back the 3 to make 2 rule and not treat it as a flagrant foul. It is as barbaric as the death tax rule.

 

[dviss1]

The summer league had no ill effects on going to 14 sec. Due to most offense rebounds come at the rim. The ones that don't players usually have a good shot due to the defense is not set.

Depends on your view of what "ill effects" are.

I don't like that you don't really get the option of running a full set if there's a kick out. It usually ends up in a worse shot or a shot against the clock.

 

[dviss1]

Statisticians/clock managers already suck. This is gonna make their jobs even harder.

 

[Road Ratt]

I could see doing it if the current rule was "broken", because it makes sense to fix rules that need fixing. To change a rule for the sole purpose of creating more shots is wrong. Because I see it as the NBA changing this rule for the league's interests, not the game's interests.

 

[H.C.]

I disagree.

I think these rule change suggestions deserve their own thread.

For the record, I'm not in agreement with the reset to 14.

Leaving this thread up is only going to encourage the OP to continue use this site as his personal twitter.
Next thing you know he'll make a thread of where he eats... Even though there is already a thread for that sort of discussion.
But he'll never read that thread because it's above him due to being a 'celebrity'.

 

[Reep]

Statisticians/clock managers already suck. This is gonna make their jobs even harder.

This is a good point. If you get an offense rebound (reset) shot taken and missed and rebounded (reset again) it could get very confusing. Think Zach Randolph plays. Then you have to have a ref timeout to figure out if it was reset correctly? I was on board, but you make a very good point.

 

[Reep]

Leaving this thread up is only going to encourage the OP to continue use this site as his personal twitter.
Next thing you know he'll make a thread of where he eats... Even though there is already a thread for that sort of discussion.
But he'll never read that thread because it's above him due to being a 'celebrity'.

Sorry, but I think out are out of your lane on this one. This is an interesting topic, especially in the deadness of offseason. Whatever personal gripes you have with KS keep them in PMs.

 

[Pinwheel1]

This change seems consistent to me with the rest of the timing. The idea is you need 4-8 seconds just to get it up the court. If you have an offensive rebound, you have already run a play of some sort and the offense is still set up. I'm good with the change. Most of the time if an offensive rebounder kicks the ball back out the guard pounds the court for 4-8 seconds before running a play anyway.

Exactly. Plus at the end of games when an offensive rebound results in another 24 seconds for the leading team, what happens......a foul occurs to stop the clock. Maybe the 10 seconds makes them think twice about fouling? or maybe it makes no difference at all.
But if you are behind and you get a O rebound, you shoot quickly anyways, so the time difference is not a factor.

 

[dviss1]

I do not like the "in Transition rule" in this situation they should bring back the 3 to make 2 rule and not treat it as a flagrant foul. It is as barbaric as the death tax rule.

What are you talking about? You're misinterpreting the change.

• "A personal foul is committed on any offensive player during his team's transition scoring opportunity."

This change is regarding off ball fouling in transition when it relates to a clear path foul. The change simply means that if A2 is fouled he shoots the free throws instead of A1 (the offensive player with the ball).

 

[Reep]

Exactly. Plus at the end of games when an offensive rebound results in another 24 seconds for the leading team, what happens......a foul occurs to stop the clock. Maybe the 10 seconds makes them think twice about fouling? or maybe it makes no difference at all.
But if you are behind and you get a O rebound, you shoot quickly anyways, so the time difference is not a factor.

I do like Dviss1's point though. I would be more of a fan if it was reserved for final two minutes of each period, or something like that.

 

[illmatic99]

reducing the value of Orebs further. Suppose Neil will use this to justify not bringing Ed back.

 

[BBert]

The summer league had no ill effects on going to 14 sec. Due to most offense rebounds come at the rim. The ones that don't players usually have a good shot due to the defense is not set.

The summer league had no ill effects?

The summer league IS an ill effect

Seriously though, of course it didn't change anything in the summer 'helter skelter' league. I'm not sure they need ANY shot clock, LOL

 

[BBert]

This is a good point. If you get an offense rebound (reset) shot taken and missed and rebounded (reset again) it could get very confusing. Think Zach Randolph plays. Then you have to have a ref timeout to figure out if it was reset correctly? I was on board, but you make a very good point.

Talk about a repetitive stress injury. Moses Malone would have killed half the league's time keepers, haha.

 

[Strenuus]

Why do I feel this has already been implemented? I thought they had this last year at the very least? Or am I getting D-league (I won't call it the other name) games mixed up?

 

[dviss1]

Leaving this thread up is only going to encourage the OP to continue use this site as his personal twitter.
Next thing you know he'll make a thread of where he eats... Even though there is already a thread for that sort of discussion.
But he'll never read that thread because it's above him due to being a 'celebrity'.

What? This is a valid thread. It's about basketball and It effects our team. And not only that, the link is not from his Twitter. He mentions nothing of himself in the OP and the thread has done it's job which is create discussion.

I'm confused.

 

[H.C.]

Sorry, but I think out are out of your lane on this one. This is an interesting topic, especially in the deadness of offseason. Whatever personal gripes you have with KS keep them in PMs.

Nice assumption.
I can do it too.
Whatever personal gripes you have with me. keep them in PMs.

Should put you on ignore for quoting Ball clan leader.
Actually that's a good plan. Have a nice day.

 

[H.C.]

What? This is a valid thread. It's about basketball and It effects our team. And not only that, the link is not from his Twitter. He mentions nothing of himself in the OP and the thread has done it's job which is create discussion.

I'm confused.

It's not about the fact that this thread is on topic.
It's the fact that he makes a thread whenever he feels like. Even though a specific place could/should be used for it.
Or the thread is already created but he has someone on ignore.

See this thread.
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/so-who-were-the-5-or-6-veteran-wings-that-neil-targeted.334436/

Glad because Eric has someone on ignore we get to discuss topics twice.
At least for the people I have on ignore, if I make a thread... I hit show ignored content so I'm not asking the members of this forum to repeat what they've already said.
Or I look for the specific around the NBA topic.

 

[dviss1]

Exactly. Plus at the end of games when an offensive rebound results in another 24 seconds for the leading team, what happens......a foul occurs to stop the clock. Maybe the 10 seconds makes them think twice about fouling? or maybe it makes no difference at all.
But if you are behind and you get a O rebound, you shoot quickly anyways, so the time difference is not a factor.

This is not always true.

And why would the extra 10 seconds when a foul only resets the shot clock to 14 if it's under 14?

If the shot clock is above 14, it doesn't reset.

 

[dviss1]

It's not about the fact that this thread is on topic.
It's the fact that he makes a thread whenever he feels like. Even though a specific place could/should be used for it.
Or the thread is already created but he has someone on ignore.

See this thread.
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/so-who-were-the-5-or-6-veteran-wings-that-neil-targeted.334436/

Glad because Eric has someone on ignore we get to discuss topics twice.
At least for the people I have on ignore, if I make a thread... I hit show ignored content so I'm not asking the members of this forum to repeat what they've already said.
Or I look for the specific around the NBA topic.

Sorry, nobody's gonna tell me when and when I can't make a thread so I won't advocate that for another.

He didn't break any forum rules making this thread and not only that, it's a good thread.

I'm not sure where your irritations are coming from.

 

[dviss1]

See this thread.
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/so-who-were-the-5-or-6-veteran-wings-that-neil-targeted.334436/

Glad because Eric has someone on ignore we get to discuss topics twice.
At least for the people I have on ignore, if I make a thread... I hit show ignored content so I'm not asking the members of this forum to repeat what they've already said.
Or I look for the specific around the NBA topic.

You may be mistaken.

Does @KingSpeed have @Wizard Mentor on ignore? Because that's who started that thread.

Truthfully, I don't even think he has @HCP on ignore either.