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We are not giving up the 7th for Grant. Whether or not Joe's strategy was wise or not, it is doubtful that he is going to abandon it.
And I also doubt it included tanking just for Grant.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
We had 36% chance to get better pick. Not 70.
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Actually I think both of our math was wrong, fwiw. It was just under 46% according to this chart.

Which undercuts my post a lot and I admit I was wrong. It was right about where we expected to land, but I'm still disappointed.
 
Chris Craig said:
Now that the Blazers failed to move up, getting Grant is the way to appease Dame because he wants to play with him.
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Here’s a wild thought.
Maybe Dame, Chauncey, Cronin and all the others working with the team know a thing or two also?
Maybe they see Jerami Grant as being misused and they feel he would be a much better fit playing with Dame and for Billups?
Maybe he comes here and excels dramatically?
Maybe all this talk on this board is just a bunch of fans that use stats to make their assumptions?
Maybe he is exactly what this team needs?
 
LayneStaley said:
If we get lucky and get Murray at 7 why would we trade for Grant?
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Two possible scenarios?
Maybe it will take two years for Murray to become a reliable player.
Second maybe having both of them would give the team some depth at the wing?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Here’s a wild thought.
Maybe Dame, Chauncey, Cronin and all the others working with the team know a thing or two also?
Maybe they see Jerami Grant as being misused and they feel he would be a much better fit playing with Dame and for Billups?
Maybe he comes here and excels dramatically?
Maybe all this talk on this board is just a bunch of fans that use stats to make their assumptions?
Maybe he is exactly what this team needs?
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It would be nice to have a forward as our #2 scorer.
 
I feel like I’m pretty connected to what’s going on but I may have taken a nap or something and missed why Grant is such a done deal. A couple media rumors? Damian likes him? What did I miss?
 
calvin natt said:
I feel like I’m pretty connected to what’s going on but I may have taken a nap or something and missed why Grant is such a done deal. A couple media rumors? Damian likes him? What did I miss?
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I had that thought as well but assumed it might have some substance. I have read it and heard the possibility on media platforms other than S2.
 
Getting the #1 pick might have been a way to only be a few trades and free agent signings from contending with Dame.

Now, it's even more of a pipe dream. Probably time to start thinking about Dame trades that make long term sense.
 
calvin natt said:
I feel like I’m pretty connected to what’s going on but I may have taken a nap or something and missed why Grant is such a done deal. A couple media rumors? Damian likes him? What did I miss?
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Management that is out of touch with how close the roster is to contend. Dame and Grant are friends. GM that settles for whatever other teams ask. No other great options to add starting talent since we already traded out 3 starters for Didi and Bledsoe. Current team has no use for him or desire to pay super max.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Getting the #1 pick might have been a way to only be a few trades and free agent signings from contending with Dame.

Now, it's even more of a pipe dream. Probably time to start thinking about Dame trades that make long term sense.
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HYPOTHETICALLY

If Portland can trade 7 for Wood and 15

and land Grant for 15 and change

Then use mid level or whatever on a shooter

Dame
Ant
Grant
Wood
Nurk

is a pretty damn good starting lineup

Hart
Nas
FA
Brown
Watford

not a bad bench
 
I think Jerami Grant is starting to get underrated now. While I definitely wouldn't give up our #7 pick, we should look to add a guy like him. Yes I prefer Siakam and even Simmons, but Grant I believe would be a really good fit. Just don't expect him to a #2 option. He shouldn't be. That's how you get the inefficiency he's displayed this season.

The NBA is all about roles. Zach Randolph was a bad #1 option for Portland and New York, but a terrific #3 like he was Memphis and he made them much better.

Grant is a really good player. Taking him on isn't necessarily even a long term thing. The Bucks pick and Keon should get it done, and maybe one our 2nds.
 
Mediocre Man said:
HYPOTHETICALLY

If Portland can trade 7 for Wood and 15

and land Grant for 15 and change

Then use mid level or whatever on a shooter

Dame
Ant
Grant
Wood
Nurk

is a pretty damn good starting lineup

Hart
Nas
FA
Brown
Watford

not a bad bench
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Dude, I don't think Wood has much value. He's not known to be very good on defense. Yes we see the box scores and they look good, but the rhetoric on him is that he's kind of an empty stats guy with bad defense. I didn't believe in empty stats until I saw Hassan Whiteside in Portland. And I like Hassan.

I wouldn't give 7 for Wood and I'd actually rather Grant. He's a much better fit.
 
Wood is totally checked out when he's not being fed the ball. He was a big reason they were awful early in the NBA season when he was featured heavily.
 
craigehlo said:
Wood is totally checked out when he's not being fed the ball. He was a big reason they were awful early in the NBA season when he was featured heavily.
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Nice stats with being a pretty high usage guy for a big man. But I don't think he's a good fit. Grant would be better for us.
 
calvin natt said:
I feel like I’m pretty connected to what’s going on but I may have taken a nap or something and missed why Grant is such a done deal. A couple media rumors? Damian likes him? What did I miss?
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I figure it's possible Cronin did make an offer for Grant at the trade deadline that was refused. Somehow that's been translated to Cronin being fixated on Grant.
 
blazedanugz said:
wait 3 firsts for grant….? I think you’re going to be happy when the trade happens
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I'm just very willing to sell on our future to give Dame an actual chance because for me it's either actually build a contender around Dame or trade Dame for a pick and some young players and build around that and Ant. I don't want any halfass bullshit like Dame, Ant, Hart, Grant, Nurk, Nas, Justise, some bargain basement free agent and whoever does the best out of our young guys. That is some play in fodder that would have no chance of making it past the second round if they could ever even get there.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I figure it's possible Cronin did make an offer for Grant at the trade deadline that was refused. Somehow that's been translated to Cronin being fixated on Grant.
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Maybe he did. It’s just crazy how locked in people get on a guy because of some rumors. I feel like we’ve done this before with players….
 
blazerkor said:
I'm just very willing to sell on our future to give Dame an actual chance because for me it's either actually build a contender around Dame or trade Dame for a pick and some young players and build around that and Ant. I don't want any halfass bullshit like Dame, Ant, Hart, Grant, Nurk, Nas, Justise, some bargain basement free agent and whoever does the best out of our young guys. That is some play in fodder that would have no chance of making it past the second round if they could ever even get there.
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Then brace yourself
 
LayneStaley said:
If we get lucky and get Murray at 7 why would we trade for Grant?
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Unlike guards like Dame and CJ who play on one end of the court and only really on the perimeter, forwards like Grant and Murray are the kinds of guys you want duplicated on your team. Both have length and high level athleticism, both can put the ball on the floor, shoot, finish at the hoop and make the right pass and both defend on the perimeter and in the post. So although I don't see either doing it at an all star level next year, I think both could be a notch below that and that would be a big step up from any forward tandum we've had since Nic and LaMarcus.

I don't know why people don't like Grant... if he's by far your second best player you're probably not in a good place but if Ant, him and Nurk are your 2a, 2b and 2c then you're doing pretty great. He's very well rounded and when engaged he's tenacious on both ends. I would not give up the seventh pick for him but I'd give up a mid first rounder for him and right now with what we're trying to do I'd overpay in future draft capital.
 
I think Duren and Grant is realistic.

Dame/BWill
Ant/Hart/Keon
Nas/Winslow
Grant/Watford/GB3
Nurk/Duren

A couple 2nd rounder to fill out the
bench.

If that^ happens are you mad? Do you expect more than the 5-6 seed?
 
calvin natt said:
Then brace yourself
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Please don't be right about that. I just can't see Dame wanting to stick around for a team just as midling as the one that had his boy CJ on it... just without CJ on it. I think if he doesn't see real improvements after what we just went through as a team last season, he'll start to finally want to see if the grass really is greener. That look on his face at the lotto today wasn't one from a guy who is enthusiastic about what's going on around him. I mean none of us are feeling over the moon about today or the Pels pick situation but this is Dame's life and he was willing to give up on the dream of winning with his friend and teammate he'd had the longest probably in his whole life but I think he was only willing to if it meant winning with other teammates, not if it meant doing the same shit with other teammates.
 
LayneStaley said:
I think Duren and Grant is realistic.

Dame/BWill
Ant/Hart/Keon
Nas/Winslow
Grant/Watford/GB3
Nurk/Duren

A couple 2nd rounder to fill out the
bench.

If that^ happens are you mad? Do you expect more than the 5-6 seed?
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I posted that a few weeks ago. That would solve two holes. A backup center and a starting PF. We would get real long real quick.

I still see no reason why Detroit would not take a future 1st for Grant. I like Jerami but for Detroit to hold out for a lottery pick is too much. No one else will give that to them without making them take back salary.
 
LayneStaley said:
I think Duren and Grant is realistic.

Dame/BWill
Ant/Hart/Keon
Nas/Winslow
Grant/Watford/GB3
Nurk/Duren

A couple 2nd rounder to fill out the
bench.

If that^ happens are you mad? Do you expect more than the 5-6 seed?
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If that happens I'm confused. You don't tank to draft a guy who sits. If we did pick Duren I would hope that we would cash in Nurk with a sign and trade. I also don't think Nas starts over Hart unless somehow he's made another big leap forward but this time as a shooter, even though his shoulder has been messed up. I get why you would put Nas as the starter though, because Hart is a known commodity and what we know is he's the guy you want coming off the bench or the fifth starter with at least a couple all stars in that starting lineup. So hoping Nas breaks out a lot more and stays healthy keeps things exciting but I don't know if it's realistic.

I'll tell you what's definitely not realistic, putting that roster up and then mentioning the fifth seed. Do I expect more than the 5th or 6th seed? No I expect much less, I expect that team to struggle to make the playoffs and when looking at the rest of the West maybe that team struggles to make the playins.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I posted that a few weeks ago. That would solve two holes. A backup center and a starting PF. We would get real long real quick.

I still see no reason why Detroit would not take a future 1st for Grant. I like Jerami but for Detroit to hold out for a lottery pick is too much. No one else will give that to them without making them take back salary.
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And if all else fails we still have a small/big to build around in Simons and Duren.
 
blazerkor said:
If that happens I'm confused. You don't tank to draft a guy who sits. If we did pick Duren I would hope that we would cash in Nurk with a sign and trade. I also don't think Nas starts over Hart unless somehow he's made another big leap forward but this time as a shooter, even though his shoulder has been messed up. I get why you would put Nas as the starter though, because Hart is a known commodity and what we know is he's the guy you want coming off the bench or the fifth starter with at least a couple all stars in that starting lineup. So hoping Nas breaks out a lot more and stays healthy keeps things exciting but I don't know if it's realistic.

I'll tell you what's definitely not realistic, putting that roster up and then mentioning the fifth seed. Do I expect more than the 5th or 6th seed? No I expect much less, I expect that team to struggle to make the playoffs and when looking at the rest of the West maybe that team struggles to make the playins.
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I think the potential of the 18 year old Duren at 20 years old is much greater than getting a Griffin or any other player at 7 that would start. No one we draft at 7 is gonna supplant a guard so we are hoping a starting Forward drops. I don’t think any of the big 4 forwards will drop so it’s basically a Griffin or Mathurin imo. Will they make a bigger impact year 1 probably, but I think Duren will be the better prospect after that.
 
LayneStaley said:
Dame/BWill
Ant/Hart/Keon
Nas/Winslow
Grant/Watford/GB3
Nurk/Duren
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I think that's a Play In Tourney team at best. Nas simply isn't consistent enough to start and and you don't tank for a backup C. I'd draft Mathurin who has the advanced stats that project well for an NBA wing. Add Grant to the mix and there is a nice offensive squad.

Dame
Ant
Mauthurin
Grant
Nurk

Bench: Hart, Nas, free agents
 
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