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illmatic99 said:
For all intents and purposes, our starting lineup is set for next season, barring any further injuries.

Dame/ CJ/ Hood/ Collins/ Nurk.
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I doubt Hood is anywhere close to being able to start by the beginning of next season. If he is back by the All-Star break, that might be the most optimistic and that may even be too early. Then, what will he be like when he gets back? Matthews was never the same.
 
TBpup said:
I doubt Hood is anywhere close to being able to start by the beginning of next season. If he is back by the All-Star break, that might be the most optimistic and that may even be too early. Then, what will he be like when he gets back? Matthews was never the same.
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Hood got hurt December 6-- this usually takes a year to come back from these days. Matthews came back like 7 months after, albeit it took him a while to regain what he could.

It's a fair point, but I think it's still way too early to write off Hood. I think he will play 60+ games next season as long as he isn't hurt again. Nice piece from Quick in the Athletic about Hood today btw. You should check it out.
 
illmatic99 said:
Hood got hurt December 6-- this usually takes a year to come back from these days. Matthews came back like 7 months after, albeit it took him a while to regain what he could.

It's a fair point, but I think it's still way too early to write off Hood. I think he will play 60+ games next season as long as he isn't hurt again.
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Not writing him off, just that the medical odds are against him. My mom was a physical therapist for 40 years and she could help 'normal' people rehab back to basically being 100% but athletes very rarely got back to their previous level. Hope Rodney is in the small minority exception category.
 
I think I’d rather take a shot on Carroll for cheap than give up a first for Covington. The more I’ve watched of Covington lately the less interested I’ve become. Don’t get me wrong I’d still take him but he’s really not that much better than Ariza so I don’t know why he’s worth a first.
 
Scalma said:
I think I’d rather take a shot on Carroll for cheap than give up a first for Covington. The more I’ve watched of Covington lately the less interested I’ve become. Don’t get me wrong I’d still take him but he’s really not that much better than Ariza so I don’t know why he’s worth a first.
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Exactly-- this is what I'm saying. I struggle throwing in a first, much less two firsts, and salary relief. Gimme a break, this guy is a solid starter. The value they're seeking is for a bonafide star. We can go dumpster diving and get a reasonable facsimile for a fraction of the cost.
 
Carroll seems like a Neil-type trade. Someone who fits something Portland needs but has fallen out of favor with their current club and who should be fairly inexpensive to acquire. Carroll can D it up and his shot this year in SA is very much an outlier from the previous 6 seasons. He would also allow you to have a significantly improved defensive front court at times with Ariza while also keeping Trevor and Carmello's minutes down. They are in their mid-30s.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah Covington is better but when you factor in the cost of both give me Carroll.
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Only two real questions with a Carroll trade:

1. Will Jody be OK with undoing the tax savings from the Baze-Ariza swap?
2. Will the Spurs actually make an in-season trade for the first time, that too with a team they're competing with for the 8th seed? They're petty enough to not do it, even with a guy who isn't playing for them.

Add a third:
3. Can we toss Mario in there so we don't have to open up a roster spot?
 
illmatic99 said:
Exactly-- this is what I'm saying. I struggle throwing in a first, much less two firsts, and salary relief. Gimme a break, this guy is a solid starter. The value they're seeking is for a bonafide star. We can go dumpster diving and get a reasonable facsimile for a fraction of the cost.
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Just cause they are asking for 2 firsts doesn't mean that's what it will take to get him. No way would I give up 2 firsts and doubt another team would as well. Dumpster dive finds are great if they work out, but often times they don't also.
 
illmatic99 said:
Only two real questions with a Carroll trade:

1. Will Jody be OK with undoing the tax savings from the Baze-Ariza swap?
2. Will the Spurs actually make an in-season trade for the first time, that too with a team they're competing with for the 8th seed? They're petty enough to not do it, even with a guy who isn't playing for them.
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If someone is willing to absorb Carroll they’d be stupid not to. That report didn’t come out for no reason.
 
CupWizier said:
Just cause they are asking for 2 firsts doesn't mean that's what it will take to get him. No way would I give up 2 firsts and doubt another team would as well. Dumpster dive finds are great if they work out, but often times they don't also.
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The risk with someone like Carroll is essentially nonexistent. We need him to play 15-20 mpg and hit some shots and play some defense-- it's not a big ask. Ariza and Melo both playing 35 mpg like they have been is not sustainable.
 
Scalma said:
I think I’d rather take a shot on Carroll for cheap than give up a first for Covington. The more I’ve watched of Covington lately the less interested I’ve become. Don’t get me wrong I’d still take him but he’s really not that much better than Ariza so I don’t know why he’s worth a first.
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So, what kind of a deal are you going to work with the Spurs? Carroll's $7M contract is a good fit with the Bazemore TPE, but I don't see Neil being willing to pay the tax on that much money. We'd have to include 2-3 of our young guys in order to fit salary matching requirements. After you get past Hezonja and Swanigan, I have a hard time coming up with another piece that I'd be willing to part with for a whole bunch of meh like Carroll.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah Covington is better but when you factor in the cost of both give me Carroll. Pretty sure spurs would give him to anyone willing to take on his contract.
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Carroll is just a little younger than Ariza so it's not like he has any upside left and if Pops can't get anything out of him why should we expect more. Maybe the guy has just lost his game.
 
e_blazer said:
So, what kind of a deal are you going to work with the Spurs? Carroll's $7M contract is a good fit with the Bazemore TPE, but I don't see Neil being willing to pay the tax on that much money. We'd have to include 2-3 of our young guys in order to fit salary matching requirements. After you get past Hezonja and Swanigan, I have a hard time coming up with another piece that I'd be willing to part with for a whole bunch of meh like Carroll.
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Carroll is probably the prototypical guy you’d get for a TPE as teams aren’t looking to just dump solid players without a return, and $7M isn’t exactly an albatross. San Antonio takes on Mario and gives up a second. I think that’s fair.
 
Scalma said:
You can always get better. I don’t see the teams above Portland, like the clippers and rockets, standing pat either.
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Yeah, but there's a difference between tweaking the end of the bench and trading Ariza or Whiteside which is what 90% of this thread seems to be about. Just my opinion but I think we should hold on to both.
 
Scalma said:
Carroll is probably the prototypical guy you’d get for a TPE as teams aren’t looking to just dump solid players without a return, and $7M isn’t exactly an albatross. San Antonio takes on Mario and gives up a second. I think that’s fair.
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RealGM Trade Checker allows the above trade to go through. (can't use the TPE with a player) ESPN's Trade Machine says it doesn't work. Which is correct?
 
Scalma said:
Carroll is probably the prototypical guy you’d get for a TPE as teams aren’t looking to just dump solid players without a return, and $7M isn’t exactly an albatross. San Antonio takes on Mario and gives up a second. I think that’s fair.
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Mario only makes about 1.7 mil. Carroll is 7 mil. A TPE can't be used in combination with a player.
 
noknobs said:
Yeah, but there's a difference between tweaking the end of the bench and trading Ariza or Whiteside which is what 90% of this thread seems to be about. Just my opinion but I think we should hold on to both.
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Yeah I don’t wanna trade Ariza either. If Whiteside wants to stay I’d probably keep him as well and take a shot at re-signing him. A sign and trade would still be an option as well so it’s not a guarantee we’d lose him for nothing. Besides, I wouldn’t wanna just trade him to trade him. I’d want some value. Not sure that deal is out there right now.
 
illmatic99 said:
Malik Beasley is a guy I absolutely loved last year. He's a backup wing who projected as a perfect 3&d guy. He's been getting marginalized in Denver with all their depth and Porter coming on, and he's gonna be a RFA this summer. Ain't no way they're gonna pay him.

I'd look into him and try to lock down his bird rights.
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I'm so bored that I'll bite. CJ and Hood for Beasley, Plumlee and Barton.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah I don’t wanna trade Ariza either. If Whiteside wants to stay I’d probably keep him as well and take a shot at re-signing him. A sign and trade would still be an option as well so it’s not a guarantee we’d lose him for nothing. Besides, I wouldn’t wanna just trade him to trade him. I’d want some value. Not sure that deal is out there right now.
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Can tax teams do S&Ts? I don't know these new S&T rules anymore.
 
TBpup said:
RealGM Trade Checker allows the above trade to go through. (can't use the TPE with a player) ESPN's Trade Machine says it doesn't work. Which is correct?
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tradenba allows it as well. Espn doesn’t take the TPE into consideration. I don’t know about the rest.
 
CupWizier said:
Carroll is just a little younger than Ariza so it's not like he has any upside left and if Pops can't get anything out of him why should we expect more. Maybe the guy has just lost his game.
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Pop famously benched Richard Jefferson and he went on to win a title in CLE. He cut Bam Adebayo from the national team that desperately needed a big, and he became an all star months later.

Pop has made mistakes before.
 
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