NBA Trade Deadline: February 6 (2 Viewers)

[illmatic99]

I kinda like Rudy Gay as another target. Is having a down year from 3 so far this season, but he's still putting up 10/5 in a bench role. I like him as our primary option off the bench at 3/4 who can close games when Melo is too slow to defend.

And his contract is perfect. 14 mil this season and 14 next year. Having his and Ariza's expirings could be useful

 

[Sarni]

I kinda like Rudy Gay as another target. Is having a down year from 3 so far this season, but he's still putting up 10/5 in a bench role. I like him as our primary option off the bench at 3/4 who can close games when Melo is too slow to defend.

And his contract is perfect. 14 mil this season and 14 next year. Having his and Ariza's expirings could be useful

We would have to trade Whiteside to get him, otherwise we can’t match his salary.

Also I doubt we will pick up Ariza’s non-guaranteed contract.

 

[CupWizier]

Whatever, you said it's a win-win-win for all teams involved to do a sign and trade to a team without cap space. You have still failed to show an example of that working out for a team in a situation similar to what we'd have with Whiteside this summer. I'm not being argumentative at all. I asked you why we don't see it very often if it is such a good thing for all those involved and you came back at me with a list of sign and trades that had nothing to do with what I was asking you.

I guess you're unable to continue or have a discussion.

Durant dealt in a sign and trade: Durant gets to go to the team he wants, Brooklyn gets the player they want and GS gets Russell and filler, who has been very good for them and they can still deal him for more asset. How is that not a win-win-win situation? Everybody got something. If Durant didn't do a sign and trade then GS would be left with nothing.

Delone Wright in a sign and trade, he gets to go to Dallas, Wright gets paid and Memphis picks up 2 second round picks. Win-win-win. If Wright signs as a free agent, Memphis gets nothing.

Kemba Walker in sign and trade to Boston. Kemba goes to a team he wants to go to, Boston gets a player they want and Charlotte fets Terry Rozier and second round pick. Win-win-win. Charlotte gets some value rather than nothing if Kemba signs as a free agent.

I have never said the compensation works out equal, but getting something is better than getting nothing.

I guess you'll just come back with more nit picking.

 

[illmatic99]

We would have to trade Whiteside to get him, otherwise we can’t match his salary.

It would have to be a three way. Something like this, it can be simpler.

Also I doubt we will pick up Ariza’s non-guaranteed contract.

Definitely disagree on this one. His value on the court, and his value as a trade piece for next deadline is far greater than the savings we'd get by declining his option. We went over this earlier in here. The max capsapce we can open up this summer is only slightly better than the MLE. Just try to get under the tax by getting rid of Mario/Caleb and do that above deal and we're pretty much there.

 

[Mediocre Man]

We're 9th right now, with a possible 8th landing spot.

The Rockets are trying to trade Capela for some picks to use to flip for a center and wing.

2 lottery picks with a healthy roster next year would be sweet

 

[Scalma]

Oh no. Guess who Carroll’s agent is.

 

[TBpup]

 

[tester551]

Possibility? Sure, I guess, there is no way to dispute that it is indeed a possibility to happen according to the CBA rules.

But to say it's a win-win-win situation without being able to come up with an example of it happening in the past seems wrong to me. If it's such a great thing for all those involved why doesn't it happen more often? The answer is that there are just way too many variables for a sign and trade.

The S&T option took a hiatus for a bit while the salary cap was rapidly expanding. You had a bunch more teams that had cap space to sign FA players outright (without having to give up an asset).

Now that the salary cap is leveling off a bit, more teams are starting the off-season over the cap & have to look at S&T as an acquisition vehicle.

 

[TBpup]

Oh no. Guess who Carroll’s agent is.

"Neil, it's Mark Bartelstein on Line 1."

 

[illmatic99]

We can absorb his contract with our TPE, but no way in hell without assets coming back with him.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It would have to be a three way. Something like this, it can be simpler.

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Get us Delon Wright instead of DFS, and I'm completely on-board.

 

[TBpup]

We can absorb his contract with our TPE, but no way in hell without assets coming back with him.

Carroll's contract does fit nicely right into the Bazemore TPE. That said, I agree.....they would need to send a 2nd round pick or two along with him. Jody would have to be willing to go back into the Luxury Tax for a player who might help (Carroll can play D and hit a '3'....although he has shot horribly this year) and figure it is the cost of buying back a couple of 2nd round picks....for Neil to trade later.

 

[illmatic99]

Get us Delon Wright instead of DFS, and I'm completely on-board.

I didn't cuz I wanted more tax savings, but really not that hard to get him in there. Send our pick to SA, probably.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Maybe, you gotta have trade chips. They may be able to clear more cap space in 2021 though. There should be something available next year
This year is unusually quiet in terms of top players being available.

Trade chips... What top player have the Blazers acquired with an expiring contract?

 

[Scalma]

I’d take Carroll if the spurs took on mario. They’d also have to toss in a second.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Carroll is such a Neil AIM LOW type of move.

 

[illmatic99]

Just last year in BK, he was somewhat decent. What happened in SA? Anyone know?

 

[Scalma]

Carroll is such a Neil AIM LOW type of move.

If he can have an Ariza type impact why not. Plus he’s only got a small guarantee in ‘22 so we could theoretically package him in a trade next year for a bigger contract.

Second unit could look something like

CJ
Trent
Carroll/Nas
Melo/Nas
Whiteside

 

[illmatic99]

If he can have an Ariza type impact why not. Plus he’s only got a small guarantee in ‘22 so we could theoretically package him in a trade next year for a bigger contract.

Second unit could look something like

CJ
Trent
Carroll/Nas
Melo/Nas
Whiteside

BBall ref has him at 7 mil in '22 (it's italic but doesn't say amount). What's the partial guarantee?

 

[Scalma]

BBall ref has him at 7 mil in '22 (it's italic but doesn't say amount). What's the partial guarantee?

I think 1.5m

edit: 1.3M

 

[hoopsjock]

Durant dealt in a sign and trade: Durant gets to go to the team he wants, Brooklyn gets the player they want and GS gets Russell and filler, who has been very good for them and they can still deal him for more asset. How is that not a win-win-win situation? Everybody got something. If Durant didn't do a sign and trade then GS would be left with nothing.

Delone Wright in a sign and trade, he gets to go to Dallas, Wright gets paid and Memphis picks up 2 second round picks. Win-win-win. If Wright signs as a free agent, Memphis gets nothing.

Kemba Walker in sign and trade to Boston. Kemba goes to a team he wants to go to, Boston gets a player they want and Charlotte fets Terry Rozier and second round pick. Win-win-win. Charlotte gets some value rather than nothing if Kemba signs as a free agent.

I have never said the compensation works out equal, but getting something is better than getting nothing.

I guess you'll just come back with more nit picking.

It's not nitpicking, I've discussed why already.

Durant could've just signed with Brooklyn. GS had to include 2 1st round picks and dump Iggy just to take back Russell so Durant didn't leave for nothing. That's not anywhere near the situation with Whiteside this summer.

Wright was a restricted free agent. Dallas offered to do a sign and trade to entice Memphis not to match. Again, Whiteside is not a restricted free agent and Dallas had cap space.

The Kemba situation was a double sign-and-trade. This may in fact be possible with Whiteside this summer and if it works great but this was an extremely rare circumstance in which both teams wanted a free agent from the other team and both players also agreed to sign there as well. If Kemba wanted to sign somewhere other than Boston or Rozier somewhere other than Charlotte the deal would've been off. Boston did have cap space too so they didn't have to agree to the sign and trade.

 

[illmatic99]

I think 1.5m

edit: 1.3M

Sweet. I'd still wanna send out something or get something in return though. The tax implications essentially would undo the savings we just got from the Baze/Ariza deal. Wonder how big of a deal it is for us get under this year if we can definitely get under next.

 

[TBpup]

Just last year in BK, he was somewhat decent. What happened in SA? Anyone know?

I'd like to know as well. The six seasons prior from '3', he shot:

.342
.371
.341
.390
.395
.362

He's got some 'dog' to him which I like.

 

[Scalma]

 

[TBpup]

^^^^That is a whole LOT of "Success" right there.

 

[blazerfan11]

Can someone please tell us how much Whiteside is going to make next season? If it's $12 million or $20 million? The idea that the Blazers might trade both Whiteside and Ariza, who are anchoring our defense right now, is asking to be bit in the arse.
If the goal is next season, you want the best defense for the whole season and the playoffs.

If Zach Collins can't play 30 minutes at power forward, I would think about trading him for someone who can. I would rather trade Collins (with other players if necessary) for a very good power forward (just an example), rather than trade Whiteside making $12 million for a small forward then dumping Ariza. We just lose Ariza and Whiteside and don't gain much.
My point is we don't know what Whiteside would make next season, or if trading Whiteside gets us the biggest net gain in a trade. I want a big improvement if that is possible.

The idea that trading Whiteside would automatically get us the biggest net improvement for next season to me is wrong thinking. That's a lot of assumptions that may not be correct. And yes I am including the fact that Whiteside and Nurkic would probably not be able to play together. But, having the best possible defense is a goal. Big men foul out or get into foul trouble often. They get hurt. One hasn't played in almost a year.

 

[B-Roy]

San Antonio signed Carroll to a 2 year deal and he proceeds to not even make the rotation. That tells me he's washed, a lot more washed then the Spurs thought when they signed them.

 

[Scalma]

Carroll and Ariza are similar to Chief and Moe as they’re interchangeable defensively. But with better shooting, in theory.

 

[TBpup]

San Antonio signed Carroll to a 2 year deal and he proceeds to not even make the rotation. That tells me he's washed, a lot more washed then the Spurs thought when they signed them.

It was his first time ever playing with LaMarcus. Coincidence?

 

[B-Roy]

It was his first time ever playing with LaMarcus. Coincidence?

What is the connection here? If you're making a dig at LMA, he's not the only player that is playing with LaMarcus for the first time this year.