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PtldPlatypus said:
Any chance of something like this?

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Love it for us, think LA would want that too, even with the tax implications. Not sure what PHX's motivation is though. Baffled by this news. This is a guy putting up 19/6 on decent efficiency who we know can defend a bit. And his contract is decent for his production.

Don't see why they would even want to move Oubre.
 
illmatic99 said:
I literally said the same thing in my post you decided to nit pick while missing the big picture. You asked the point of kicking the can down the road, and a few of us have pointed out. Sorry you still don't understand the merits of it.
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for fuck's sake...just because you have an opinion on merits, doesn't mean your opinion is gospel, and I'm so fucking stupid I can't grok what's going on

as far as ignoring what somebody posted, did you pay attention to what what I posted? it was specifically about a Whiteside for Batum trade. That's why I entered this particular discussion
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
Include a first? Send Simons? I dunno--I'm sure we could acceptably improve the compensation.
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Id do either one. I like that trade because the clippers would probably have to add a pick. Can just re route it to Phoenix.
 
wizenheimer said:
for fuck's sake...just because you have an opinion on merits, doesn't mean your opinion is gospel, and I'm so fucking stupid I can't grok what's going on

as far as ignoring what somebody posted, did you pay attention to what what I posted? it was specifically about a Whiteside for Batum trade. That's why I entered this particular discussion
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? Really don't understand your reaction.
 
And of course, this is the problem with using the trade machine to come up with hypothetical deals. Now when we don't deal Whiteside for Oubre/Zubac, I'm going to be irrationally angry. I'm already preparing myself for the disappointment.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
And of course, this is the problem with using the trade machine to come up with hypothetical deals. Now when we don't deal Whiteside for Oubre/Zubac, I'm going to be irrationally angry. I'm already preparing myself for the disappointment.
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wizenheimer said:
lol...you tell me I somehow can't understand a simple concept with the clarity that you understand and expect no reaction?
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Still think you're missing the point. You really think if we had 10 more wins now and a healthy roster, we wouldn't move the expiring deals we have to get a star final piece to the puzzle? We obviously can't do that now because we're not good and need guys like Whiteside to even compete for hte final 30 games.

That was the point @hoopsjock and a few others here have been making in a Batum deal, or as I've been saying with guys like Dieng, etc. Having those contracts (whether it's a combo that add to 30 mil or is just a singular contract that's 30) next year when we are more healthy, and probably in a better position in the standings will be a boon.
 
Jack squat cause Neil is haught, and he could trade no lean
 
illmatic99 said:
Still think you're missing the point. You really think if we had 10 more wins now and a healthy roster, we wouldn't move the expiring deals we have to get a star final piece to the puzzle? We obviously can't do that now because we're not good and need guys like Whiteside to even compete for hte final 30 games.

That was the point @hoopsjock and a few others here have been making. Having those contracts (whether it's a combo that add to 30 mil or is just a singular contract that's 30) next year when we are more healthy, and probably in a better position in the standings will be a boon.
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I get the concept...I really do. I'm just not a buyer for a lot of these trade ideas.

for instance, take the Whiteside for Batum deal. I saw it justified by pointing to Capela being traded to Atlanta and what Atlanta traded away. Here's the thing about that: Atlanta really really wanted Capela; and Houston really really wanted Covington. There was strong motivation for a trade there. What team would really really want Batum? (or Love or Aldridge)

now, before you come in and say, again, I don't get the concept, I understand it could be that some team might really really want Simons (ha!) and Portland might need a bigger salary to make a deal. That's where Ariza comes in, and possibly an MLE signing. Ariza + Simons could bring back 20M in salary. Whiteside re-signed for about 12M would do the same thing. Whiteside + MLE + Simons could bring back well over 30M in salary

in other words, my view is that Portland does not have to make a bad trade now and take on bad salary next season just because there might be some unlikely hypothetical trade next season that could turn the team into a contender. They will have the options to execute that hypothetical trade without making a bad trade now
 
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CupWizier said:
One question. Say you are a GM and you have Kelly Oubre on your team.

Would you trade Kelly Oubre for Moe Harkless and R. McGruder?
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Again, as this was already addressed earlier, it wouldn't be unreasonable to include a 1st and/or a prospect like Simons in that deal.

And honestly, it really depends on what said GM is seeking to accomplish with a prospective Oubre deal. Do you have any idea what Phoenix is looking for? I don't. Which is why I throw something out and then ask a question like, "any chance of something like this?"--because I'm seeking opinion and feedback.

To that end, how would you alter the deal as initially composed to make it workable for all involved?
 
illmatic99 said:
Still think you're missing the point. You really think if we had 10 more wins now and a healthy roster, we wouldn't move the expiring deals we have to get a star final piece to the puzzle? We obviously can't do that now because we're not good and need guys like Whiteside to even compete for hte final 30 games.

That was the point @hoopsjock and a few others here have been making in a Batum deal, or as I've been saying with guys like Dieng, etc. Having those contracts (whether it's a combo that add to 30 mil or is just a singular contract that's 30) next year when we are more healthy, and probably in a better position in the standings will be a boon.
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That Batum deal is horrible as I don't think Charlotte would trade a possible high lottery pick either.
 
hoopsjock said:
This suggestion and your last one both can't happen. This one because Whiteside can't be traded back to Miami and Leonard can't be traded back to Portland. Miami also can't trade their 1st this year. For the other trade executives/coaches can't be traded with players.
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So you missed the green font on that one also....
 
CupWizier said:
One question. Say you are a GM and you have Kelly Oubre on your team.

Would you trade Kelly Oubre for Moe Harkless and R. McGruder?
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If I also got a pick, yes. Really doubt PHX holds onto Oubre long term, especially when you consider they have Bridges and Johnson who play the same position.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Again, as this was already addressed earlier, it wouldn't be unreasonable to include a 1st and/or a prospect like Simons in that deal.

And honestly, it really depends on what said GM is seeking to accomplish with a prospective Oubre deal. Do you have any idea what Phoenix is looking for? I don't. Which is why I throw something out and then ask a question like, "any chance of something like this?"--because I'm seeking opinion and feedback.

To that end, how would you alter the deal as initially composed to make it workable for all involved?
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Very tough to do i'm sure.
 
illmatic99 said:
Considering what Minny was expecting and got for Covington, it won't be cheap to get KO.
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Covington is under control for an extra season and I’m not sure Oubre is the better player. RPM is not favorable to Oubre at all. Doesn’t have him in the top 30 among SFs on either end of the court. I’d give up a protected first but I’ve admittedly always overvalued him.
 
wizenheimer said:
I get the concept...I really do. I'm just not a buyer for a lot of these trade ideas.

for instance, take the Whiteside for Batum deal. I saw it justified by pointing to Capela being traded to Atlanta and what Atlanta traded away. Here's the thing about that: Atlanta really really wanted Capela; and Houston really really wanted Covington. There was strong motivation for a trade there. What team would really really want Batum? (or Love or Aldridge)

now, before you come in and say, again, I don't get the concept, I understand it could be that some team might really really want Simons (ha!) and Portland might need a bigger salary to make a deal. That's where Ariza comes in, and possibly an MLE signing. Ariza + Simons could bring back 20M in salary. Whiteside re-signed for about 12M would do the same thing. Whiteside + MLE + Simons could bring back well over 30M in salary

in other words, my view is that Portland does not have to make a bad trade now and take on bad salary next season just because there might be some unlikely hypothetical trade next season that could turn the team into a contender. They will have the options to execute that hypothetical trade without making a bad trade now
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Huh? You are backwards here man. Portland would be the one interested in "Capela and Covington type players." Atlanta was able to get Capela because they had Evan Turner (or Bazemore would've worked too if they still had him). So what you are saying doesn't make sense in that paragraph. No team wanted ET, just like no team would want Batum, yet a trade still got done because ET is an expiring and not really a burden for Minnesota.

You're also backwards on the next paragraph. If Whiteside signed a one year deal he'd have a no trade clause. If he signed a multi-year contract he wouldn't be an expiring contract. He also wouldn't be eligible to be traded until December 15th while Batum would be able to be traded all summer and through that date. Same with an MLE signing. Then you'd also have to factor in that what if it was a good signing and we didn't want to trade them?

You seem a little confused here.
 
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