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I know I think every Cronin presser is terrible, but my goodness this Cronin presser is horrible.
 
Tince said:
What would've made you think it was a home run press conference to where you had no complaints afterwards?
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Not contradicting himself multiple times and not admitting he wanted to keep Brogdon despite him having a ton of interest (according to Chauncey).
 
BonesJones said:
Not contradicting himself multiple times and not admitting he wanted to keep Brogdon despite him having a ton of interest (according to Chauncey).
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Did we know 100% he wanted to keep him though? Did I miss quotes of him saying he was never going to be traded and we wanted to keep him? Serious question, not snark.
 
Looking more like a few more years of losing. Or do we just call it tanking to make ourselves feel better?
 
Strenuus said:
Did we know 100% he wanted to keep him though? Did I miss quotes of him saying he was never going to be traded and we wanted to keep him? Serious question, not snark.
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From Sean Highkin:

Joe Cronin: "We don't want to take any more steps back. We were looking more to acquire a guy than get off of a guy. But at the same time, I don't want to speed it up too much. I want to give these guys a chance to grow and develop."
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I'm sure there's a way to interpret this differently, and that's probably why it was worded as such.
 
Malcom has been Chauncey’s guy all along and he publicly stated numerous times how he values him and has a great admiration for him. I look for a trade this off season that could include Simons and some.
 
BonesJones said:
From Sean Highkin:

I'm sure there's a way to interpret this differently, and that's probably why it was worded as such.
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Where is the contradiction?

Isn't he just saying he doesn't want to keep getting worse but he also isn't trying to make a move that is only good in regards to getting better in the short-term?

Seems like a reasonable plan, but as I've said before: It's easy to get worse, it's much harder to become good again. He's done the easy part. I think this is why both you and I were skeptical of trading Dame.
 
kjironman1 said:
Looking more like a few more years of losing. Or do we just call it tanking to make ourselves feel better?
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The Sixers had their system for quite a few years of being bad and getting some good picks and it eventually paid off.

The Thunder are seeing success at failing for a time.

I am more afraid of becoming the Clippers of yore, perpetually bad; or the current Pistons, lots of picks but not a lot of cohesive talent.

I wonder if Sharpe being injured and out the past month (and for a lot longer now) played into their "trades" or lack thereof. Hard to see how some of your key guys are developing when they are sidelined.
 
bemac said:
I'll be damned...Looks like the team feels the same way I do. This is a good team that just needs a little time to bake and a little luck with injuries—way to go Joe Cronin.
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You nailed in BeMac!
 
kjironman1 said:
Looking more like a few more years of losing. Or do we just call it tanking to make ourselves feel better?
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I think many of us realized the rebuild path after Dame was going to be a long and likely painful one.
 
Tince said:
Where is the contradiction?

Isn't he just saying he doesn't want to keep getting worse but he also isn't trying to make a move that is only good in regards to getting better in the short-term?

Seems like a reasonable plan, but as I've said before: It's easy to get worse, it's much harder to become good again. He's done the easy part. I think this is why both you and I were skeptical of trading Dame.
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It's easiest to do absolutely nothing. Getting worse requires a plan to use that move to get better. One step back for two steps forward is tougher than sitting on the ground while people claim you can't walk.
 
beast crnjo said:
On the bright side: I think Brogdon is helping Scoot's development, by allowing him to come off the bench.
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So when do we hand Scoot the keys to the bus? We didn’t just trade our beloved franchise guy to draft Scoot #3 to have him come off the bench. You would think his development would be quicker being that he was said to be NBA ready coming out of the draft.
 
BonesJones said:


It's easiest to do absolutely nothing. Getting worse requires a plan to use that move to get better. One step back for two steps forward is tougher than sitting on the ground while people claim you can't walk.
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You aren't implying Cronin has done nothing are you? He's made "bigger" moves in his first 2 years than we made for the previous 8 years combined. Or are you saying because he didn't want to get even worse at this deadline, that he failed? How many consecutive deadlines/off-seasons of getting worse is the goal?

I would've loved to see Brogdon moved for reasonable assets that better fit the long term direction of the team. If Cronin turned down a good trade for Brogdon, then I will be disappointed.
 
Tince said:
You aren't implying Cronin has done nothing are you? He's made "bigger" moves in his first 2 years than we made for the previous 8 years combined. Or are you saying because he didn't want to get even worse at this deadline, that he failed?
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What, like Dame forcing Joe to trade him? Or Jody Allen forcing Joe under the tax at the 2022 deadline? Or Dame securing Cronin the Grant trade? Or drafting players?

He did nothing but sell in the last three transactional periods (trade deadline, off-season, trade deadline) and the last two he didn't sign/trade for a single meaningful piece whatsoever to help a direction, whether that's trying to win or rebuild.

In a rebuild, getting worse at thee deadline by trading Brogdon for a pick/young player is beneficial to the rebuild. He's a 31-year old guard and we have three young guards. They should be stockpiling assets for the future so that we can be in the market for a star (or have enough chances to draft one) so that we don't make the same mistake with Scoot/Sharpe/Ant that we made with Dame (i.e. being stuck in the middle and being unable to get to contention).
 
No reason to trade Grant unless they get a very good return.
Not getting a 1st for Brogdon was disappointing but in the grand scheme of things...not a big deal.
 
BonesJones said:
What, like Dame forcing Joe to trade him? Or Jody Allen forcing Joe under the tax at the 2022 deadline? Or Dame securing Cronin the Grant trade? Or drafting players?

He did nothing but sell in the last three transactional periods (trade deadline, off-season, trade deadline) and the last two he didn't sign/trade for a single meaningful piece whatsoever to help a direction, whether that's trying to win or rebuild.

In a rebuild, getting worse at thee deadline by trading Brogdon for a pick/young player is beneficial to the rebuild. He's a 31-year old guard and we have three young guards. They should be stockpiling assets for the future so that we can be in the market for a star (or have enough chances to draft one) so that we don't make the same mistake with Scoot/Sharpe/Ant that we made with Dame (i.e. being stuck in the middle and being unable to get to contention).
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A lot of the things you listed were in fact, bigger moves than what was done the previous 8 years to his arrival. If you want to put the moves GM's are forced to make (or not make) on other players and the owner, that is something I'd listen to. In that case, maybe the owner said no to trading Brogdon and getting even worse? And in that case, we're complaining about the wrong person.
 
I went into this trade deadline expecting nothing which I’m perfectly fine with. Would I have liked to get a good young player for Brogdon yes but guessing teams are holding onto those type of players.

little surprised some contenders wouldn’t have mortgaged the future for win now considering there’s no elite team.
 
Cronin is the king of speaking out of both sides of his mouth and still sounding full of crap cause the comment about the deadline is BS and if fans cannot see that then that is on you. I will give my opinion and I might do a rant here and there but I am done treating this forum as a town hall trying to convince some of you when you do not want to hear it. Some of you are the type of people even if the sky is falling your like why is everyone running cause I think you have your head in the clouds about certain thing ala Cronin.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I went into this trade deadline expecting nothing which I’m perfectly fine with. Would I have liked to get a good young player for Brogdon yes but guessing teams are holding onto those type of players.

little surprised some contenders wouldn’t have mortgaged the future for win now considering there’s no elite team.
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There wasn't one trade today including a 1st round pick/young player where I could've reasonably seen Portland including Brogdon instead. Brogdon for Dallas' 2028 1st and Grant Williams was the closest, but I can't imagine that exciting many folks around here.
 
Tince said:
A lot of the things you listed were in fact, bigger moves than what was done the previous 8 years to his arrival. If you want to put the moves GM's are forced to make (or not make) on other players and the owner, that is something I'd listen to. In that case, maybe the owner said no to trading Brogdon?
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True, Joe appears to not be proactive and doesn't seem to have a plan. Maybe the owner (or Bert more likely) said no but that's why we need a full shakeup from the top down. This is not a well-ran organization. Cronin has had too many excuses of "there's nothing he could do nobody wanted his really good asset" where it comes out or appears that he wanted to actually keep said asset in the first place.

The lack of a plan is very Olshey-ish. That's the most frustrating part.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Scoot was supposed to be NBA ready coming out of the draft, So you would think his development should have been able to move along a bit quicker.
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I agree, there was a mountain of Scoot hype before the draft. The result is many fans are disappointed in his slow development.

I am not disappointed in Scoots slow development. Because, I did not believe the hype that he was NBA ready. Neither his stats, nor eye test convienced me he was ready for the NBA.

I am not saying Scoot is a bust, just that he needs more time to develop his skills. BTW, I hated when the NBA lowered the draft age.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I went into this trade deadline expecting nothing which I’m perfectly fine with. Would I have liked to get a good young player for Brogdon yes but guessing teams are holding onto those type of players.

little surprised some contenders wouldn’t have mortgaged the future for win now considering there’s no elite team.
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I think another of the problems that doesn't get mentioned is a lot of teams already have mortgaged their futures. And most of them are the teams that Brogdon might have been able to put over the top.

Trading Brogdon for a pick in the 20s in the upcoming draft isn't particularly appealing considering what the Blazers already have. Conversely, a lot of those same teams probably don't want to give up two firsts for Brogdon ... presuming they even have them.

It's like tweener value and there aren't a lot of teams that fit as a trade partner with the Blazers when you view the context ... unless you're comfortable giving up Brogdon for a prospect that odds say would never be an impact player for the Blazers and the idea of give Scoot Henderson 3 more minutes per game.
 
Tince said:
There wasn't one trade today including a 1st round pick/young player where I could've reasonably seen Portland including Brogdon instead. Brogdon for Dallas' 2028 1st and Grant Williams was the closest, but I can't imagine that exciting many folks around here.
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How many players traded were as good as Brogdon though? Why are we using Monte Morris fetching a 2nd and trying to compare that to Brogdon?

Billups said there was lots of interest, Cronin said he didn't want to take a step back and was more into getting a guy then getting rid of one...
 
oldfisherman said:
I agree, there was a mountain of Scoot hype before the draft. The result is many fans are disappointed in his slow development.

I am not disappointed in Scoots slow development. Because, I did not believe the hype that he was NBA ready. Neither his stats, nor eye test convienced me he was ready for the NBA.

I am not saying Scoot is a bust, just that he needs more time to develop his skills. BTW, I hated when the NBA lowered the draft age.
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I agree with most of this. His play recently suggests to me he's ready for a bump in his role. He's not going to be consistency and will struggle but you can learn from failure. Just as long as he can mentally handle and build upon his performances as a starter, he should start. That wasn't the case earlier in the season, but I think it's the case now.
 
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