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“As a 39-year military veteran, I think I know something about the flag, the anthem, patriotism, and I think I know why we fight. It’s not to allow the president to divide us by wrapping himself in the national banner. I never imagined myself saying this before Friday, but if now forced to choose in this dispute, put me down with Kaepernick.”

- BY GEN. MICHAEL HAYDEN​
 
Michael Hayden: In Trump versus NFL, standing up for free speech

When I became director of CIA, I kept my Steelers season tickets. It really wasn’t a hard choice. My wife and I and the security detail willingly braved the Pennsylvania Turnpike for the nine-hour round trip to Pittsburgh since, no matter what was going on in Washington, when we settled into our seats at Heinz Field all that mattered for three hours was what happened between those white lines. It’s been that way on fall Sundays for me for more than 60 years.

Until Sunday, when the ugly side of American politics intruded into my fall eden. I blame some of that on Colin Kaepernick, the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback who last year began to protest social injustice and police brutality by sitting or taking a knee during the pre-game national anthem. His comments on America were a bit more dystopian than I thought was warranted, and I wasn’t enthusiastic about turning a unifying and celebratory moment for most Americans into a venue for protest.


Still, this is a big country with a big heart and the issues he raised were both real and sincerely held. It didn't take much to just let this ride, even after some other NFL players joined in. Everything seemed to be within the tolerances of normal American political discourse and, certainly, American free speech.


Until last Friday. And then President Trump, before a red-hot Alabama crowd of his political base, decided to treat the “SOBs” who wouldn't stand for the anthem the way he has previously treated other groups like Mexicans (murderers and rapists), intelligence professionals (Nazis), immigrants (deeply unfair), refugees (dangerous), and Muslims (they hate us).

When in political stress, attack the “other” — those dark forces that allegedly threaten our way of life — and pay no attention to the lack of legislative progress on ObamaCare or anything else, a careening crisis with a nuclear North Korea, or the destruction of civilized life on an island territory of the United States.

For extra measure, the president claimed that the NFL was ruining the game with recent rule changes to prevent or reduce player injury: “Today, if you hit too hard, 15 yards, throw him out of the game!” To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, President Trump does not instinctively appeal to “the better angels of our nature.”

The NFL — players, coaches, staff, ownership and league office — had to make decisions quickly. Sunday’s kickoffs were less that 40 hours away when the president walked off that stage in Huntsville. Nearly half of the NFL would be getting on planes in less than 12 hours.

There were tough choices to make: respect for the flag, respect for the anthem, respect for your teammates, respect for justice, respect for your fans, respect for free speech. The president had created what logicians call a false dilemma, that support for free speech or for team mates equated to disrespect for flag, anthem or country. And he did it for political advantage.

My Steelers rejected the false dilemma. They concentrated on unity and focus. They were in Chicago to play football. Head coach Mike Tomlin said, “We're not going to play politics. We're football players, we're football coaches. We're not participating in the anthem today, not to be disrespectful to the anthem, but to remove ourselves from the circumstance.”

So the team did not go out onto the field for “The Star-Spangled Banner.” Several coaches (including Tomlin) did go out to represent the organization. Alejandro Villanueva — starting left tackle, West Point graduate, decorated Army ranger — broke consensus slightly to appear at the mouth of the runway with his hand over his heart, but several players have already said they understood Villanueva’s unique circumstances.

Pittsburgh is a patriotic town. There was a lot of anger about the Steelers not showing up. But I believe that everyone on the Steelers did the right thing. They were dealt a bad hand and played it as best they could. Or, more accurately, they tried not to play.

And the dealer here was President Trump. A week ago, a handful of NFL players protested in one form or another. On Sunday, three full teams did not go out for the anthem, almost all players and coaches locked arms, and more than 200 in the NFL knelt, sat or otherwise demonstrated their displeasure.

And, to be specific, their displeasure was largely with President Trump and what he had said about them, their teammates and their rights. Forced again to defend the indefensible, White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Monday said that the president’s Huntsville stand was about “honoring the men and women who fought to defend” the flag.

As a 39-year military veteran, I think I know something about the flag, the anthem, patriotism, and I think I know why we fight. It’s not to allow the president to divide us by wrapping himself in the national banner. I never imagined myself saying this before Friday, but if now forced to choose in this dispute, put me down with Kaepernick.

Gen. Michael Hayden is a former director of the CIA and the National Security Agency.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...-trump-versus-nfl-standing-up-for-free-speech
 
Michael Hayden: In Trump versus NFL, standing up for free speech

When I became director of CIA, I kept my Steelers season tickets. It really wasn’t a hard choice. My wife and I and the security detail willingly braved the Pennsylvania Turnpike for the nine-hour round trip to Pittsburgh since, no matter what was going on in Washington, when we settled into our seats at Heinz Field all that mattered for three hours was what happened between those white lines. It’s been that way on fall Sundays for me for more than 60 years.

Until Sunday, when the ugly side of American politics intruded into my fall eden. I blame some of that on Colin Kaepernick, the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback who last year began to protest social injustice and police brutality by sitting or taking a knee during the pre-game national anthem. His comments on America were a bit more dystopian than I thought was warranted, and I wasn’t enthusiastic about turning a unifying and celebratory moment for most Americans into a venue for protest.


Still, this is a big country with a big heart and the issues he raised were both real and sincerely held. It didn't take much to just let this ride, even after some other NFL players joined in. Everything seemed to be within the tolerances of normal American political discourse and, certainly, American free speech.


Until last Friday. And then President Trump, before a red-hot Alabama crowd of his political base, decided to treat the “SOBs” who wouldn't stand for the anthem the way he has previously treated other groups like Mexicans (murderers and rapists), intelligence professionals (Nazis), immigrants (deeply unfair), refugees (dangerous), and Muslims (they hate us).

When in political stress, attack the “other” — those dark forces that allegedly threaten our way of life — and pay no attention to the lack of legislative progress on ObamaCare or anything else, a careening crisis with a nuclear North Korea, or the destruction of civilized life on an island territory of the United States.

For extra measure, the president claimed that the NFL was ruining the game with recent rule changes to prevent or reduce player injury: “Today, if you hit too hard, 15 yards, throw him out of the game!” To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, President Trump does not instinctively appeal to “the better angels of our nature.”

The NFL — players, coaches, staff, ownership and league office — had to make decisions quickly. Sunday’s kickoffs were less that 40 hours away when the president walked off that stage in Huntsville. Nearly half of the NFL would be getting on planes in less than 12 hours.

There were tough choices to make: respect for the flag, respect for the anthem, respect for your teammates, respect for justice, respect for your fans, respect for free speech. The president had created what logicians call a false dilemma, that support for free speech or for team mates equated to disrespect for flag, anthem or country. And he did it for political advantage.

My Steelers rejected the false dilemma. They concentrated on unity and focus. They were in Chicago to play football. Head coach Mike Tomlin said, “We're not going to play politics. We're football players, we're football coaches. We're not participating in the anthem today, not to be disrespectful to the anthem, but to remove ourselves from the circumstance.”

So the team did not go out onto the field for “The Star-Spangled Banner.” Several coaches (including Tomlin) did go out to represent the organization. Alejandro Villanueva — starting left tackle, West Point graduate, decorated Army ranger — broke consensus slightly to appear at the mouth of the runway with his hand over his heart, but several players have already said they understood Villanueva’s unique circumstances.

Pittsburgh is a patriotic town. There was a lot of anger about the Steelers not showing up. But I believe that everyone on the Steelers did the right thing. They were dealt a bad hand and played it as best they could. Or, more accurately, they tried not to play.

And the dealer here was President Trump. A week ago, a handful of NFL players protested in one form or another. On Sunday, three full teams did not go out for the anthem, almost all players and coaches locked arms, and more than 200 in the NFL knelt, sat or otherwise demonstrated their displeasure.

And, to be specific, their displeasure was largely with President Trump and what he had said about them, their teammates and their rights. Forced again to defend the indefensible, White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Monday said that the president’s Huntsville stand was about “honoring the men and women who fought to defend” the flag.

As a 39-year military veteran, I think I know something about the flag, the anthem, patriotism, and I think I know why we fight. It’s not to allow the president to divide us by wrapping himself in the national banner. I never imagined myself saying this before Friday, but if now forced to choose in this dispute, put me down with Kaepernick.

Gen. Michael Hayden is a former director of the CIA and the National Security Agency.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...-trump-versus-nfl-standing-up-for-free-speech
See. I was right. He didn't care.
 
Thank god I will never be one of those who think that.

Because, really, I think of him as a joke.

So, Trump is a joke to most would be highly accurate I assume.

The joke is better than the alternative. Benghazi on steroids. Multiple Benghazis. All with a "there" there (like her email server actually existed).
 
Interesting how a discussion of Trump going after the NFL turns into reminiscing about Hillary Clinton losing in the election. It's like a Choose Your Own Adventure Story, except every Trump Thread has the same damn ending.
 
Interesting how a discussion of Trump going after the NFL turns into reminiscing about Hillary Clinton losing in the election. It's like a Choose Your Own Adventure Story, except every Trump Thread has the same damn ending.

It does. The moral of the story is "Trump won, elections matter."

The video is a joy to watch.
 
News: "WWIII has begun. Washington and New York have heavy damage from nuclear warheads fired in retaliation for Trump's strikes on Russian, China, and North Korea. Death toll unknown, but certain to be in the tens of millions".

Denny: "Hillary lost the election, ha ha ha. She was mean to me once at a funeral, so this is all good."

barfo
 


LMAO. The state of racial interaction in America today.
 
If this is your mentality

Correction, it is my mentality and the issue has no connection with my boat. The only connection I have with it is, I designed it, built it. You have none.
We have a small connection to each other in being Blazer fans, but that is tenuous at best. Allan sells that connection to somewhere else and shazam! We have no connection except being American, that is not tenuous, it can't be sold or moved. We are Americans, yours from Mexico, me from Scotland, but from is not the salient issue, being American is.

Americans have display support and solidarity with this contention, regardless of where they originated for a couple hundred years now. We do this with little effort, it required little of us and cost nothing. It simply states for everyone to see, I am an American and proud to be counted.

When we are no longer proud to counted as American, no longer wish to be seen as connected to other Americans and we shun the small little ceremonials that we once displayed to show one another, count me as an American, we are done.

Together though out our history, we have encounter and overcome all challenges any dare to bring. Separated in the component camps, I suspect we have nothing.
I do not want to see that end. And make no mistake, eliminating the traditions of displaying you are proud to be an American is the beginning of the end.

Together correction can be made, separated and segregated can only bring confrontation.
 
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Well, Trump wanted someone fired, looks like he gets his wish.

Ok, resigned from a volunteer position. Close enough.

barfo
 
Well, Trump wanted someone fired, looks like he gets his wish.

Ok, resigned from a volunteer position. Close enough.

barfo
I know it is a volunteer department but did this guy get paid? And how long until he loses any job he did have elsewhere if he did?
 
Wait what? What are you talking about? Everyone gave a shit about Kaepernick. It's why he doesn't have a job right now.

My problem is that people have more of a problem with the protest than what their protesting. That's a problem in this forum and throughout the country.
Kaeperknick doesn't have a job because he isn't good. Get over it
 
Trump could keep tweeting retarded things while some crooked shit goes unseen because everybody is too busy complaining about a stupid tweet. Shits crazy
 
Free speech only applies to certain people these days. If you are google memo guy, you are fucked because your ideas don't align with the typical left wing narrative. You are fired. If you are a local bakery and refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, well fuck that you aren't allowed, that bakery got a lawsuit put on them and the gay couple won. Or what about the local girls who came back from mexico and made mexican food only to be harassed to the point they had to close down their successful little business. Now all of a sudden the left wing people are for free speech with this football shit. I am with it too but in those examples I just named, nobody stood up for them. It's because something else is going on in this country. Something sick. This super left wing weird way of thinking, fucking fairy tale land
 

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