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I think this backfired on the true activists. This went from talking about issues to an Ice Bucket Challenge Redux b/c the President showed his ass and it became cool to "Boycott Against the President". "HEY, LOOK AT ME INSTAGRAMMING THAT MURICA SUX! EFF YOU, DRUMPF!"
(Meanwhile 157 black men have been killed by police this year. 9 were unarmed. 566 non-black men were killed by police this year. 23 were unarmed.)

Personally, I am not and have not been stoked about Kaepernick's "protest" at the field. If he thinks there is a systemic issue with black men being murdered by racist policemen (because I follow data on things like the WaPo police killing tracker, I personally don't, but that's for another thread), there are multiple ways to fight against that. He's (to much credit and respect from me) doing so now that he doesn't get to play on Sundays by donating money, talking in communities, talking to policemen, etc.

But I understand that, as a white man who's only been shot at by people who don't live in America, I don't get an opinion on how people protest. Or what they protest. Or what the reasons for the situations they're protesting are and how to actually address them. Doesn't matter.

Jim Brown, that Uncle Tom dude that doesn't know a lick about being black or an activist or a football player, says (about Kaepernick, but you could substitute "they", I think...)
Jim Brown said:
"he has to make up his mind whether he's truly an activist or he's a football player. Football is commercial. You have owners. You have fans. And you want to honor that if you're making that kind of money."
"I can't be two things at once that contradict each other. If I sign for money, then the people I sign with, they have rules and regulations."
As for the protest, Brown says ... "I'm going to give you the real deal: I'm an American. I don't desecrate my flag and my national anthem."
"I'm not gonna do anything against the flag and national anthem. I'm going to work within those situations. But this is my country, and I'll work out the problems, but I'll do it in an intelligent manner."
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Russell Wilson spends much of his offtime working for his church, his charities and Children's Hospital of Seattle. There are probably a bunch of you who couldn't care less for him or his views on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and are happy that he doesn't get to use the field on Sundays as his platform. He literally has 164 other hours in the week and legion other venues for which to be an activist for just about whatever he wants.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I think this backfired on the true activists. This went from talking about issues to an Ice Bucket Challenge Redux b/c the President showed his ass and it became cool to "Boycott Against the President". "HEY, LOOK AT ME INSTAGRAMMING THAT MURICA SUX! EFF YOU, DRUMPF!"
(Meanwhile 157 black men have been killed by police this year. 9 were unarmed. 566 non-black men were killed by police this year. 23 were unarmed.)

Personally, I am not and have not been stoked about Kaepernick's "protest" at the field. If he thinks there is a systemic issue with black men being murdered by racist policemen (because I follow data on things like the WaPo police killing tracker, I personally don't, but that's for another thread), there are multiple ways to fight against that. He's (to much credit and respect from me) doing so now that he doesn't get to play on Sundays by donating money, talking in communities, talking to policemen, etc.

But I understand that, as a white man who's only been shot at by people who don't live in America, I don't get an opinion on how people protest. Or what they protest. Or what the reasons for the situations they're protesting are and how to actually address them. Doesn't matter.

Jim Brown, that Uncle Tom dude that doesn't know a lick about being black or an activist or a football player, says (about Kaepernick, but you could substitute "they", I think...)

Russell Wilson spends much of his offtime working for his church, his charities and Children's Hospital of Seattle. There are probably a bunch of you who couldn't care less for him or his views on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and are happy that he doesn't get to use the field on Sundays as his platform. He literally has 164 other hours in the week and legion other venues for which to be an activist for just about whatever he wants.
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This is a well thought out and cognitive response to such a divisive issue. Damn near perfect! Thank you.
 
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Who said this:

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success."

He also said:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
Because they fight and die for the flag and what it represents. Back when i was a liberal snowflake i remember refusing to salute the flag. Now im ashamed i ever did that. Especially when my entire family has been to war for this country.
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Marzul and other vets on the forum have said multiple times they don't fight/die for the flag.
They also said you could ask any vet what they were fighting for, and it would be the guy next to them.

Let the spin begin.
 
Denny Crane said:
Who said this:

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success."

He also said:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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if you said Goebbels you might be mistaken
http://truthisthegreatestenemyofthestate.blogspot.com/
Clinton I think did in reference to trump or vice versa not sure
 
Denny Crane said:
I see the problem: you hear and repeat lies.

I call you out on it.
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Let's try this. Am I complimenting you here or insulting you?

"Denny is a really smart guy, is something Denny thinks, but that in fact couldn't be further from the truth."

Passing this test should help you to see why the source you cited never actually asserted that Donald Trump had delivered on his promise. Good luck!
 
kingslayer said:
Pop's comments (starts around 2:10)

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stuff like this reminds me of this bit by chappelle. Also along with what celebrities and athletes think. This is the shit that goes through my head

 
Rastapopoulos said:
Let's try this. Am I complimenting you here or insulting you?

"Denny is a really smart guy, is something Denny thinks, but that in fact couldn't be further from the truth."

Passing this test should help you to see why the source you cited never actually asserted that Donald Trump had delivered on his promise. Good luck!
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The WaPost said the money was paid, and I found another legitimate citation that showed the amounts and the recipients verified it. It wasn't Trump saying it in the middle of one of his monologues.

What else is there to say?

"Do you read your fucking links?"

Yes, I did.

Are you so numb to the constant Trump bashing echo chamber no matter what he does that the Truth evades you? It's not just your problem, it's a lot of peoples'. Hence the Goebbels quotes. The media studies the guy and his tactics in journalism school (among many other things). They know what they're doing. Don't be a dupe.

Get this, though. 60M+ voted for the guy and almost all have stuck with him. They're not unreasonable people - far from it.

Be afraid.
 
lawai'a said:
if you said Goebbels you might be mistaken
http://truthisthegreatestenemyofthestate.blogspot.com/
Clinton I think did in reference to trump or vice versa not sure
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Yeah. Believe the free blogspot account over the holocaust center (a different site than your blogspot blogger mentions).

I don't, but feel free if if makes you happy.

At worst, the first quote is attributed to Adolph himself. The second is Goebbels for sure.
 
BrianFromWA said:
(Meanwhile 157 black men have been killed by police this year. 9 were unarmed. 566 non-black men were killed by police this year. 23 were unarmed.)
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This is a problem. Why don't you want to do anything about it?

You should join campaign zero. It's not our fault that you all aren't standing up for your unarmed white people killed by police. No worries, we'll do it for you.

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/
 
God knows (that's "god" with a small "g") how viral all that bullshit went.
 
I'm not sure what Bozo the Clown is tweeting these days.

I don't follow twitter much. I like my news more than 140 characters at a time and from reliable sources.

You know, people who weren't balling their eyes out and acting like a horrible wrong was done in the universe on election night and must use 24/7 propaganda to make things right!
 
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dviss1 said:
This is a problem. Why don't you want to do anything about it?

You should join campaign zero. It's not our fault that you all aren't standing up for your unarmed white people killed by police. No worries, we'll do it for you.

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/
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I think I know. Honestly. None of us care. We figure that tiny number is so meaningless to us.

Do I want innocent people getting murdered by cops? NOPE. I don't even like it when they kill dogs.

However back to why we don't care. (I'm speaking in generalities about whites as a group here)

Here's why. We don't get fucked with by the cops unless we look like wannabe gangsters.

We don't get pulled over all the time without cause. Shit like that.

23 people out of 300 million? Homelessness seems worse to me and probably most people but we ignore that too. Narcissism for sure.
 
I skipped from page two to page seven. Apologies if someone brought this up already, but so far no one has..

Does everyone know all of the verses to the Star Spangled Banner?

http://www.dictionary.com/e/star-spangled-banner/

O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
’Tis the star-spangled banner—O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth waveO’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.



I bolded a couple parts for thoughtful digestion...
 
Denny Crane said:
The WaPost said the money was paid, and I found another legitimate citation that showed the amounts and the recipients verified it. It wasn't Trump saying it in the middle of one of his monologues.

What else is there to say?

"Do you read your fucking links?"

Yes, I did.

Are you so numb to the constant Trump bashing echo chamber no matter what he does that the Truth evades you? It's not just your problem, it's a lot of peoples'. Hence the Goebbels quotes. The media studies the guy and his tactics in journalism school (among many other things). They know what they're doing. Don't be a dupe.

Get this, though. 60M+ voted for the guy and almost all have stuck with him. They're not unreasonable people - far from it.

Be afraid.
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While you were Googling denying the antecedent it would've helped if you also looked up Genetic Fallacy and Red Herring fallacy, because you just provided a couple of good examples.

I do see what you see in Trump: he's not capable of admitting when he's wrong either.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I think this backfired on the true activists. This went from talking about issues to an Ice Bucket Challenge Redux b/c the President showed his ass and it became cool to "Boycott Against the President". "HEY, LOOK AT ME INSTAGRAMMING THAT MURICA SUX! EFF YOU, DRUMPF!"
(Meanwhile 157 black men have been killed by police this year. 9 were unarmed. 566 non-black men were killed by police this year. 23 were unarmed.)

Personally, I am not and have not been stoked about Kaepernick's "protest" at the field. If he thinks there is a systemic issue with black men being murdered by racist policemen (because I follow data on things like the WaPo police killing tracker, I personally don't, but that's for another thread), there are multiple ways to fight against that. He's (to much credit and respect from me) doing so now that he doesn't get to play on Sundays by donating money, talking in communities, talking to policemen, etc.

But I understand that, as a white man who's only been shot at by people who don't live in America, I don't get an opinion on how people protest. Or what they protest. Or what the reasons for the situations they're protesting are and how to actually address them. Doesn't matter.

Jim Brown, that Uncle Tom dude that doesn't know a lick about being black or an activist or a football player, says (about Kaepernick, but you could substitute "they", I think...)

Russell Wilson spends much of his offtime working for his church, his charities and Children's Hospital of Seattle. There are probably a bunch of you who couldn't care less for him or his views on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and are happy that he doesn't get to use the field on Sundays as his platform. He literally has 164 other hours in the week and legion other venues for which to be an activist for just about whatever he wants.
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I've read this a couple of times now and I'm not really sure what you're saying. I guess I see what Brown is saying, and that is of course his prerogative. But I think he's wrong, and so, apparently, do a lot of owners and coaches, who've said they support their players in their protest. I think Brown is buying the line that kneeling during the anthem is "disrespecting" it or the flag. (Sidenote: simple way to avoid the anthem/flag being disrespected at sporting events: keep them away from them. You know, like everywhere else in the world, when two clubs of the same country are playing each other.)

As to the claim that this has "backfired on the true activists" - who are they and what is the "this" that has backfired? Kaepernick's protest? The response to Trump's Alabama rant? Are you saying that the conversation has shifted from police brutality to "free speech vs. respecting the flag"? Just looking for clarification.
 
BBert said:
Won't bother me one tiny little bit. I'd consider doing it simply as a protest against the mob mentality of the assholes who are so bent out of shape about it.
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Looks like the Dallas Cowboys agree with me
 
Shannon Sharpe has had the best take on the recent "protests" by nfl owners/players



edit:didnt realize the clip is 20 min long, i watched the first 8 min or so on fb
 
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