Trade Noel off the table

[H.C.]

I will laugh if Bogut goes to the Cavs, and the Cavs beat GSW again.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

A 2015 first round pick, a 2018 first round pick, and giving up an expiring contract to get Noel for 25 games before paying him a massive number.

Dallas gave up quite a bit.

Chill out, dudes

Basically, Philly gave up Noel and cash for a 2018 draft pick.

I dunno. Doesn't seem like much of a return to me. Just because Anderson was a first-round pick doesn't mean he's going to really be any good. If being a first-rounder means you're going to be any good, wake me up when Nolan Smith reappears in the NBA.

I get why NO didn't grab him, but I don't consider this a great haul for Philly, either.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Is there a way we can scoop up Bogut without triggering the first luxury tax hit?

Sure, if we trade only Festus for him and the don't resign Bogut this summer.

 

[TBpup]

With the protection on that pic, that really is not very much for Noel. There will be a lot of questions, which Neil won't answer, about if Portland could have offered similar or better to bring in an asset like Noel.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I still don't think Noel is the best fit next to Nurk. I like that he can block shots but if he is out on the perimeter guarding stretch 4's he won't be in position to protect the rim. We need a better outside shooter if we intend to resign him for a large amount.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Basically, Philly gave up Noel and cash for a 2018 draft pick.

No, they gave up Noel for a first and cash savings (Bogut gets them above the floor, saves them roughly $5M, net)

 

[Blazinaway]

Basically, Philly gave up Noel and cash for a 2018 draft pick.

I dunno. Doesn't seem like much of a return to me. Just because Anderson was a first-round pick doesn't mean he's going to really be any good. If being a first-rounder means you're going to be any good, wake me up when Nolan Smith reappears in the NBA.

I get why NO didn't grab him, but I don't consider this a great haul for Philly, either.

reason Neil likely did not grab him is his RFA status this summer is my guess, we can't afford another 20 mil or so contract to match

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

No, they gave up Noel for a first and cash savings (Bogut gets them above the floor, saves them roughly $5M, net)

True. But they could have grabbed a different player with more potential and somehow that could have helped them long-term. They could have acquired an asset, rather than a contract to dump.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

reason Neil likely did not grab him is his RFA status this summer is my guess, we can't afford another 20 mil or so contract to match

Hence why I said I understand why NO didn't go after Noel.... I think you missed that part of my post.

But that still doesn't mean that Philly got a good return.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

True. But they could have grabbed a different player with more potential and somehow that could have helped them long-term. They could have acquired an asset, rather than a contract to dump.

If they view Anderson as an asset, perhaps they feel they did. Low minutes, but he is a 15+ PER player so far this season (despite 40% FG, 30% 3P)

 

[Wizard Mentor]

With the protection on that pic, that really is not very much for Noel. There will be a lot of questions, which Neil won't answer, about if Portland could have offered similar or better to bring in an asset like Noel.

Noel would add like $15M to our cap next year and for several years after that. The only way to afford that is if they took Crabbe. They probably didn't want the cap hit. He's also not a perfect fit, since we really need a PF.

 

[Blazinaway]

don't forget that Bogut may go to BOS for a pick/player

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

If they view Anderson as an asset, perhaps they feel they did...

There's a reason a weak team like Dallas has soured on him....

 

[Blazinaway]

Hence why I said I understand why NO didn't go after Noel.... I think you missed that part of my post.

But that still doesn't mean that Philly got a good return.

I did miss it, my bad

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I did miss it, my bad

S'all good.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There's a reason a weak team like Dallas has soured on him....

There was a reason a weak team like Orlando soured on Harkless, but we seem to love him here.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-76ers-send-nerlens-noel-to-mavericks-165830322.html

Sources: 76ers agree to send Nerlens Noel to Mavericks

Adrian Wojnarowski
The Vertical
Yahoo SportsFeb 23, 2017, 8:58 AM

Nerlens Noel is in his third NBA season. (AP)


Noel, a restricted free agent this summer, has long been a player of intrigue for the Mavericks, who’ll work to sign him to a long-term extension. Dallas also will have the ability to match any offer sheet and retain Noel.

Philadelphia is working to find another team to acquire Bogut, but if a deal isn’t reached, the team is expected to negotiate a contract buyout with Bogut so he can become an unrestricted free agent, league sources said.


Noel averaged 8.9 points and five rebounds in 29 games this season for the 76ers.

 

[craigehlo]

Mavs aren't done. They will ship off DWill soon.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I hate that I like something the Mavs did.

 

[Minstrel]

Bogut back to Golden State (after a buyout) would be amusing. I doubt there's any animosity there on Bogut's end--Golden State apparently found a few teams they could trade him to and then let him pick the team he wanted to go to, so it's not like they did him dirty.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Mavs aren't done. They will ship off DWill soon.

This would not surprise me. I expected them to go into tank mode after the break. Only 27 games left. makes sense to dump your often injured vets.

 

[H.C.]

Lets see if Cuban can now be patient with his two young players he's about to have locked up for big $.
He wasn't patient with Nash/Dirk and regretted it later. His history shows he won't be patient with Barnes/Noel.

 

[Sarni]

Mavericks got a better end of the deal but 76ers had no choice if they did not feel like paying Noel $25M in the Summer. Still he has not turned into much, Mavericks pick next year will be late lottery probably.

 

[Blazinaway]

This would not surprise me. I expected them to go into tank mode after the break. Only 27 games left. makes sense to dump your often injured vets.

be interesting to see if Noel could be more effective for Mavs this season and they win more games, if they move ahead of us in the standings I am good with that

 

[Boob-No-More]

There's a reason a weak team like Dallas has soured on him....

PHI needs 3-point shooting from their wings to help space the floor for their bigs. So, they went out and got a guy who is a career .288 three point shooter. Yeah, that makes sense.

With Harrison Barnes playing the 4, the starting SF position in DAL was Anderson's for the taking. He couldn't cut it, so DAL has been forced to play Wesley Matthews out of position at the 3.

He wasn't good enough to get significant PT on a crap team in DAL, but PHI thinks he will help them? PHI just took a step backwards. They were a better team with Noel backing up Embiid, and occasionally playing beside him, than they will be with Justin Anderson backing up Ben Simmons. The pick they got will be in a much weaker draft. So, that won't amount to much.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I think this trade is actually smart for both teams. DAL will now pay Noel max or very close to it. PHI wasn't ready to make that commitment to him (and I don't blame them even though I like the player) so they could have lost him for nothing soon.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

PHI needs 3-point shooting from their wings to help space the floor for their bigs. So, they went out and got a guy who is a career .288 three point shooter. Yeah, that makes sense.

With Harrison Barnes playing the 4, the starting SF position in DAL was Anderson's for the taking. He couldn't cut it, so DAL has been forced to play Wesley Matthews out of position at the 3.

He wasn't good enough to get significant PT on a crap team in DAL, but PHI thinks he will help them? PHI just took a step backwards. They were a better team with Noel backing up Embiid, and occasionally playing beside him, than they will be with Justin Anderson backing up Ben Simmons. The pick they got will be in a much weaker draft. So, that won't amount to much.

BNM

Wake me when Philly is relevant. They've clearly established themselves as the clowns of the NBA. I take everything they do with a grain of salt as they literally remain the doormat of the NBA for years.

 

[Sarni]

I think this trade is actually smart for both teams. DAL will now pay Noel max or very close to it. PHI wasn't ready to make that commitment to him (and I don't blame them even though I like the player) so they could have lost him for nothing soon.

Yeah what gets overlooked is that Noel would have had to be re-signed next Summer. If Philly were not planning to do that, his value was going to be low. You could say that they would be able to trade him next year with long contract but would they really be able to if this was a max deal, and it likely would? Not many teams would trade pieces for Noel tied to a $100M contract.

 

[Boob-No-More]

be interesting to see if Noel could be more effective for Mavs this season and they win more games, if they move ahead of us in the standings I am good with that

If PHI would have kept him, they would have probably passed us in the standings. So, that's kind of a wash.

BNM

 

[Strenuus]

Wake me when Philly is relevant. They've clearly established themselves as the clowns of the NBA. I take everything they do with a grain of salt as they literally remain the doormat of the NBA for years.

Sacremento firmly took hold of the doormat.