Non-Davis Pelican players available

[CupWizier]

We couldn't keep Randle in the off-season. He'd be an unrestricted free agent and we wouldn't be able to go over the cap to keep him since he doesn't have bird rights.

He does have a player option so if he agrees to pick up his option we would have early bird rights and Turner, Leonard and Harkless will be expiring when his contract is due.

 

[Scalma]

I think Mirotic is a better fit for Stotts and Nurk. But agree Randle is the better player.
Btw how does Nurk and Mirotic get along? being from the same region. If good...then it may help us resign him.

They’re friendly with each other. Nurk is friendly with any baller from the former Yugoslavia lol, and that includes Jokic.

 

[blue9]

Just curious, what do you like about Randles contract better? I think Mirotic’ contract makes it easier for us to make a 2-1 trade, and we’d also have his bird rights.

Oh, I was under the impression that Randle was on contract through next season at $9m. Maybe I was wrong about that? I liked the idea of him not being a short-term rental.

 

[blue9]

We couldn't keep Randle in the off-season. He'd be an unrestricted free agent and we wouldn't be able to go over the cap to keep him since he doesn't have bird rights.

I guess I was wrong about his contract.

 

[Hoopguru]

I would say 'Yes'....because it is probably one more shot than they would have had otherwise.

Do you realistically think anyone could dethrone the GS even with Davis? I doubt it very much.
Even LA couldn't with Davis with what they'd have to give up.

 

[Hoopguru]

It would be two shots potentially. This year and next year.

Thats true. I just don't see a team even with Davis being able to take down GS. Anything could happen, I guess?

 

[Scalma]

Looking at the numbers, because who really sits around watching Pelicans games, Randle actually grades out better than Mirotic defensively. Numbers can lie though so I wouldn’t read too much into it, but it’s still interesting. I’ve also read that the Lakers never did individual defensive drills while Randle was there. Is there really any reason why he couldn’t develop into at least average on that end? He’s pretty athletic, doesn’t look overmatched when switched on the perimeter, decent length. Is it just an effort thing?

 

[hoopsjock]

Do you expect Randle to command a contract starting above $10M/year?

He does have a player option so if he agrees to pick up his option we would have early bird rights and Turner, Leonard and Harkless will be expiring when his contract is due.

I doubt his player option will be picked up. He's putting up monster numbers this year and will look for a more long term contract.

I'm still not sure the Blazers would re-sign him for the Full-MLE if that option presents itself.

 

[Scalma]

I doubt his player option will be picked up. He's putting up monster numbers this year and will look for a more long term contract.

I'm still not sure the Blazers would re-sign him for the Full-MLE if that option presents itself.

There is the possibility that Randle picks up his option and hits the market next summer when more teams will have money. Unlikely, but maybe?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I doubt his player option will be picked up. He's putting up monster numbers this year and will look for a more long term contract.

I'm still not sure the Blazers would re-sign him for the Full-MLE if that option presents itself.

Wouldn't need to use the MLE. Non-bird exception could start around 10.4M, if we wanted to keep him.

 

[TBpup]

I think Mirotic is a better fit for Stotts and Nurk. But agree Randle is the better player.
Btw how does Nurk and Mirotic get along? being from the same region. If good...then it may help us resign him.

They’re friendly with each other. Nurk is friendly with any baller from the former Yugoslavia lol, and that includes Jokic.

I was wondering about their relationship as well.

 

[wizenheimer]

Wouldn't need to use the MLE. Non-bird exception could start around 10.4M, if we wanted to keep him.

yeah, that's what I was thinking. He may very well get more than that, maybe a lot more...he's having a great year. But at least Portland could give him well over the MLE

of course, there's that little issue of starting the off-season only 4-6M below the tax line

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Randle is only 24 years old. I wouldn't trade Randle if I were them, unless they're convinced that they can't re-sign him.

 

[Scalma]

Randle is only 24 years old. I wouldn't trade Randle if I were them, unless they're convinced that they can't re-sign him.

You think either one would? I feel like they’re going to trade one of them, and then pray the other one (most likely Randle) re-signs. They should probably trade both imo. If I were them I’d also tank. Leave AD at home.

 

[hoopsjock]

Wouldn't need to use the MLE. Non-bird exception could start around 10.4M, if we wanted to keep him.

Wait, are you sure? I know the non-bird exception is 120% of the previous contract, but I don't think you can sign a non-bird free agent if you are over the cap and don't use the MLE? Am I wrong on that?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Wait, are you sure? I know the non-bird exception is 120% of the previous contract, but I don't think you can sign a non-bird free agent if you are over the cap and don't use the MLE? Am I wrong on that?

If it's your own free agent that you haven't renounced, yes you can absolutely use the non-bird exception while over the cap without impacting the MLE.

 

[hoopsjock]

If it's your own free agent that you haven't renounced, yes you can absolutely use the non-bird exception while over the cap without impacting the MLE.

Where do you see this? I've read the cbafaq.com page about 100 times. All I see is the early bird and full bird stuff or that the cap hold is 120%.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Where do you see this? I've read the cbafaq.com page about 100 times. All I see is the early bird and full bird stuff or that the cap hold is 120%.

Seems pretty clear to me in CBA FAQ 25

This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater.​

 

[CupWizier]

Wait, are you sure? I know the non-bird exception is 120% of the previous contract, but I don't think you can sign a non-bird free agent if you are over the cap and don't use the MLE? Am I wrong on that?

It doesn't say anything about having to be under the cap and only stipulates it can be used for your own free agents.

Sporting Charts explains Non-Bird Exception
This particular exception allows teams to re-sign a player at 120% of his previous salary or 120% of the NBA minimum, whichever is greater. The maximum length of a Non-Bird Exception contract is four years (the previous CBA set the maximum contract length at 6 years). Like the other Larry Bird exceptions, this exception may only be used by a team to re-sign their own free agents, not another team's free agents. This gives teams a slight advantage in signing their own players, as they are allowed to go over salary cap without penalty. Another interested team may incur luxury tax penalties for signing the player if it puts them over the salary cap.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

These players honestly intrigue me more than Davis at this point. I don’t think we’ll strike a deal for AD, so these guys seem more attainable.

 

[illmatic99]

How is Mirotic's health?

 

[Pinwheel1]

How is Mirotic's health?

Jan 24 - 7:38 PM

Nikola Mirotic (calf) will be re-evaluated in one week.
An MRI confirmed he has a strained right calf, and it's possible he needs more than the week to get back in action. Mirotic's bad ankle was also on his right leg, so that may also keep him off the court until around the All-Star break.

 

[illmatic99]

Jan 24 - 7:38 PM

Nikola Mirotic (calf) will be re-evaluated in one week.
An MRI confirmed he has a strained right calf, and it's possible he needs more than the week to get back in action. Mirotic's bad ankle was also on his right leg, so that may also keep him off the court until around the All-Star break.

He's always got some nagging issue. Not exactly inspiring confidence

 

[wizenheimer]

He's always got some nagging issue.

sounds like my house

 

[Scalma]

Jan 24 - 7:38 PM

Nikola Mirotic (calf) will be re-evaluated in one week.
An MRI confirmed he has a strained right calf, and it's possible he needs more than the week to get back in action. Mirotic's bad ankle was also on his right leg, so that may also keep him off the court until around the All-Star break.

Lol trying to keep him healthy/tank I see what they’re doing. Randle is out as well.

 

[LuckyShot]

I think Holiday offers the most upside, but attaining him would of course be a much bolder move given it would likely cost us CJ, right?

Mirotic is the easy call. He'd probably fit in the easiest and be cheaper to attain. He's the safest bet, so probably the only one we really consider doing anything about.

 

[LayneStaley]

Mirotic is pretty money guys, I think a lot of people are underestimating how much better we would be with him in the starting lineup drilling 3s.

 

[BonesJones]

Mirotic is pretty money guys, I think a lot of people are underestimating how much better we would be with him in the starting lineup drilling 3s.

Career 36% shooter, a shade under 37%. I think Blazer fans overrate his shooting because of what he did to us in the playoffs. Hes also a mediocre to below-average defender.

Im not even sure hes an upgrade over Aminu.

 

[LayneStaley]

Career 36% shooter, a shade under 37%. I think Blazer fans overrate his shooting because of what he did to us in the playoffs. Hes also a mediocre to below-average defender.

Im not even sure hes an upgrade over Aminu.

What are his playoff numbers? Cause that’s all I’m worried about, oh wait I found them.

2017-2018(9gms 4PDX/5GS)

Fg 48%
3p 43%
Pts 15
Reb 9.6
Ast 1.7
Blk 1.3
Stl 1.1

I’ll take it.

Edit-Fixed

 

[BonesJones]

What are his career playoff numbers? Cause that’s all I’m worried about, oh wait I found them.

Fg 43%
3p 48%
Pts 15
Reb 9.6
Ast 1.7
Blk 1.3
Stl 1.1

I’ll take it.

Oh yeah, 646 minutes played is a much more valid sample size than 7398 minutes played.

But if playoffs matter so much, Aminu shoots 47% from the field and 43% from 3pt. Plus, he plays defense.

EDIT: Just looked up Mirotic's career playoff splits. He shoots 33.6% from 3pt, so Aminu is a whole 10 points better. Your stats are wrong. You used last years and flipped the FG and 3pt%, and said "career". Aminus CAREER playoff numbers are much more efficient than Mirotics, and is comparable to Mirotic's from last postseason. You just argued against yourself.