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[LayneStaley]

Oh yeah, 646 minutes played is a much more valid sample size than 7398 minutes played.

But if playoffs matter so much, Aminu shoots 47% from the field and 43% from 3pt. Plus, he plays defense.

EDIT: Just looked up Mirotic's career playoff splits. He shoots 33.6% from 3pt, so Aminu is a whole 10 points better. Your stats are wrong. You used last years and flipped the FG and 3pt%, and said "career". Aminus CAREER playoff numbers are much more efficient than Mirotics, and is comparable to Mirotic's from last postseason. You just argued against yourself.

Mirotic is better.

 

[BonesJones]

Mirotic is better.

You said all that matters to you is "playoff numbers" and Aminu's are clearly better.

 

[LayneStaley]

You said all that matters to you is "playoff numbers" and Aminu's are clearly better.

I think Mirotic is more of the Pelicans playoff performer than those Bulls years. I dont think Chief can shoot you back into a game like Mirotic can either. I get the love for Chief from some fans but I don’t see him as a starter on a second round playoff team.

 

[BonesJones]

I think Mirotic is more of the Pelicans playoff performer than those Bulls years. I dont think Chief can shoot you back into a game like Mirotic can either. I get the love for Chief from some fans but I don’t see him as a starter on a second round playoff team.

Trying to find a different angle now lol. I thought all that mattered was playoff numbers

When Mirotic shoots just as well (or poorly) s Chief but then provides no defense, fans would complain. Fans underrate Chief big time.

 

[LayneStaley]

Trying to find a different angle now lol. I thought all that mattered was playoff numbers

When Mirotic shoots just as well (or poorly) s Chief but then provides no defense, fans would complain. Fans underrate Chief big time.

Most people on here always give Chief a pass Id day. Not a different angle, I just know what I saw in the pdx and gs series last year from Mirotic and it was impressive. I honestly never saw any of his Bulls playoff games(I doubt anyone on this board did) but I’d say team fit and situation has a lot to do with a players success. So when comparing a players whole career sometimes that can be tricky, I know currently Mirotic is shooting a higher FG and 3p% this season than Chief(granted he has played 19 less games but taking about 3.5 more 3s per) and I also know I would rather him be taking those passes from Dame for open 3s. Ideally Chief would still be in the picture coming off the bench(for the rest of this season)

Also, i don’t look at every post or differing of opinion as a time where I have to prove I’m right by “changing the angle” Everyone can sit here and regurgitate every stat in the history of the NBA but that doesn’t prove or make fact what a certain player will do in a new situation with different teammates. But like 99% of every post on this board that’s just my opinion.

 

[TBpup]

They may shot similar percentages for the season but you have to guard Mirotic. No team guards Aminu.

 

[illmatic99]

Lol trying to keep him healthy/tank I see what they’re doing. Randle is out as well.

I dunno. Can we trust him to show up for 30 mpg every night in the playoffs?

 

[Scalma]

They may shot similar percentages for the season but you have to guard Mirotic. No team guards Aminu.

To expand on this, the majority of Aminus shots from outside come with the closest defender at least 4 feet away.

When they are 4-6 feet away, Aminu shoots 35%. By comparison, when Mirotic is left that open (which obviously isn’t as often) he shoots 40%.

Won’t even get into how much more of a dynamic scorer Mirotic is.

But why are we even debating the two? Are we trading one for the other?

 

[TBpup]

To expand on this, the majority of Aminus shots from outside come with the closest defender at least 4 feet away.

When they are 4-6 feet away, Aminu shoots 35%. By comparison, when Mirotic is left that open (which obviously isn’t as often) he shoots 40%.

Won’t even get into how much more of a dynamic scorer Mirotic is.

Thanks...I knew someone would find that information. And because teams wouldn't leave Mirotic open, guess what other players get better looks?

 

[Scalma]

Thanks...I knew someone would find that information. And because teams wouldn't leave Mirotic open, guess what other players get better looks?

All things considered, Mirotic is the perfect compliment offensively. He must be accounted for, which is a game changer to begin with, and he can score on multiple levels. It’d be a big time add, even if it’s just a rental (personally I think he would stay)

 

[blue9]

They may shot similar percentages for the season but you have to guard Mirotic. No team guards Aminu.

Exactly. Comparing the two is dumb - one commands attention, the other is freely given open shots.

 

[blue9]

To expand on this, the majority of Aminus shots from outside come with the closest defender at least 4 feet away.

When they are 4-6 feet away, Aminu shoots 35%. By comparison, when Mirotic is left that open (which obviously isn’t as often) he shoots 40%.

Won’t even get into how much more of a dynamic scorer Mirotic is.

But why are we even debating the two? Are we trading one for the other?

I hope!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

What are his playoff numbers? Cause that’s all I’m worried about, oh wait I found them.

2017-2018(9gms 4PDX/5GS)

Fg 48%
3p 43%
Pts 15
Reb 9.6
Ast 1.7
Blk 1.3
Stl 1.1

I’ll take it.

Edit-Fixed

Yeh, Myers Leonard had a great playoff series once also.

 

[CupWizier]

Exactly. Comparing the two is dumb - one commands attention, the other is freely given open shots.

Is freely given open shots a bad thing?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Is freely given open shots a bad thing?

Honest answer? If the choices are Aminu open/Dame double covered, or both against single coverage - I'll take the latter.

 

[Scalma]

This idea was posted on a Pelicans blog. Sorry if someone else already posted it.

 

[CupWizier]

Honest answer? If the choices are Aminu open/Dame double covered, or both against single coverage - I'll take the latter.

Nice way to avoid answering the question. Care to try again.

Is being freely open a bad thing?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

This idea was posted on a Pelicans blog. Sorry if someone else already posted it.

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Mirotic and Solomon for a late 1st, Turner and Meyers? LOL if that was an option then it would take literally less than one second for me to accept it as a Blazer GM. I hope the Pelican's Brass are smoking whatever that writer is.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Mirotic and Solomon for a late 1st, Turner and Meyers? LOL if that was an option then it would take literally less than one second for me to accept it as a Blazer GM. I hope the Pelican's Brass are smoking whatever that writer is.

Agreed. However, the whole "Holiday and Turner are best buds" angle is one I'd forgotten about. If a Davis trade means Holiday is their centerpiece, and they think bringing Turner in would be valuable...exploit that for all it's worth. Who knows, maybe a Turner/Holiday backcourt is exactly what the Pellie's need.

 

[blazedanugz]

not a popular point of view but I think we are really overvaluing Mirotic......

 

[oldmangrouch]

Nice way to avoid answering the question. Care to try again.

Is being freely open a bad thing?

Give me a break. If Aminu is "freely open", where is his defender? The logical answer is that he is double teaming somebody better/more consistent and that is a bad thing.

I know, how dare I make assumptions or jump to conclusions. My mistake for giving a serious answer.

 

[hoopsjock]

This idea was posted on a Pelicans blog. Sorry if someone else already posted it.

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Hill is completely unplayable. Why do this instead of just Leonard, one of Swanigan or Stausakas, and a 1st for Mirotic?

 

[Scalma]

Agreed. However, the whole "Holiday and Turner are best buds" angle is one I'd forgotten about. If a Davis trade means Holiday is their centerpiece, and they think bringing Turner in would be valuable...exploit that for all it's worth. Who knows, maybe a Turner/Holiday backcourt is exactly what the Pellie's need.

Maybe something like



Seems lopsided, but if Turner can keep Jrue happy, maybe they do it.

 

[wizenheimer]

Hill is completely unplayable. Why do this instead of just Leonard, one of Swanigan or Stausakas, and a 1st for Mirotic?

better would be Turner + Baldwin + 1st for Mirotic + Wesley Johnson

Pels get to unite good friends Jrue and Turner. Blazers audition Mirotic and possible clear major cap next year

 

[CupWizier]

Give me a break. If Aminu is "freely open", where is his defender? The logical answer is that he is double teaming somebody better/more consistent and that is a bad thing.

I know, how dare I make assumptions or jump to conclusions. My mistake for giving a serious answer.

Why do you keep answering the question with things that are irrelevant? It is a simple yes or no answer. By your avoidance of answering the question should I "assume" you prefer the shooters to be covered then. I actually like it when someone is freely open.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Hill is completely unplayable. Why do this instead of just Leonard, one of Swanigan or Stausakas, and a 1st for Mirotic?

From our end or theirs? From ours because because you don't have to play Hill but we know the team will play Turner (so send him away). From there's? No idea why they would agree to it.

 

[hoopsjock]

better would be Turner + Baldwin + 1st for Mirotic + Wesley Johnson

Pels get to unite good friends Jrue and Turner. Blazers audition Mirotic and possible clear major cap next year

That works for me!

 

[hoopsjock]

From our end or theirs? From ours because because you don't have to play Hill but we know the team will play Turner (so send him away). From there's? No idea why they would agree to it.

Trust me, I'm on the Turner would be better off the team train too (I may have even started it) but if we have to take back Hill it's not worth giving up a 1st. Mirotic is a free agent this summer so if he left and we lost our pick and had to take on Hill's contract that really doesn't seem like a no-brainer to me.

 

[Scalma]

better would be Turner + Baldwin + 1st for Mirotic + Wesley Johnson

Pels get to unite good friends Jrue and Turner. Blazers audition Mirotic and possible clear major cap next year

I never knew about Holiday and Turners relationship. In every scenario I just had us trading Meyers. But keeping their franchise guy happy might be worth the extra $7M or whatever.

 

[dviss1]

Pretty convenient that both Mirotic and Randle are “out” for the Pelicans..

Nurkić is also questionable for the Jazz game...