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Hoopguru said:
“The first step to getting a ‘yes’ on a contract is getting a ‘yes’ on the market and town, so we want to show the best possible version of ourselves,” Olshey said. “We hope he wants to be here, and if he doesn’t, then it won’t be for lack of information.”

Norman is going into his prime so I believe he will consider where this franchise is at within his trajectory.
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I can't imagine that Norm would come back if CJ is coming back. And if CJ isn't coming back, that still doesn't ensure that Norm will sign with us.

[insert biting off fingernails emoji here]
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I don't think the market will offer Norm a max contract. I was making a dig at Olshey on how he has overpaid players in the past.

No, it's not time to blow it up.

Let's see what a new coach can do.

That said, even a Pops caliber coach is not going to turn this roster into a championship contender.

The roster needs moves. Big moves. Moves that I have very little confidence that Olshey can and will make.
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Remember how shocked we were that Olshey made what looked like good moves last summer? At least I was. I had to read it three times. The tone of some of the writers and talking heads even seemed a little surprised.

Can he shock the world again?

:cheers:
 
This is a no-brainer. You trade CJ for front-court help and Powell slides into his natural position at the '2'. Hopefully they get someone like a Siakam and Covington can move to his more productive position at the '3'. That would make the Blazers much better and so much more balanced.
 
TBpup said:
This is a no-brainer. You trade CJ for front-court help and Powell slides into his natural position at the '2'. Hopefully they get someone like a Siakam and Covington can move to his more productive position at the '3'. That would make the Blazers much better and so much more balanced.
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Oh, please please please please please please please!
 
MickZagger said:
Only way I see Powell re-signing is if he knows CJ is gone. He could play the 3 in a pinch. But he’s a 2 guard. He doesn’t have anywhere near the size of most 3’s throughout the league.
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Conversely, he doesn't have the skills of a 2-guard. He's a SF in a point guard's body.
 
Am I alone in being totally okay with Norm leaving? He won't be worth the contract he gets and people will immediately start bitching about it. And he didn't turn us into a contender, he turned us from maybe a 7 seed into a 6 seed. Everyone seems to think he'll be worth it just as soon as we get rid of CJ, but CJ is a better shooter, better dribbler, better passer, and Norm's defense isn't half what it's cut out to be (except in patches - he's like a streak defender). There's a reason he never became a full-time starter in Toronto.

Plus CJ's not going anywhere. I have yet to see one remotely plausible trade idea for CJ. (Also: the number of people who (a) think Norm > CJ and (b) think nonetheless that the team that gave us Norm will gladly swap their core frontcourt player for CJ is not the zero it should be.)

Yes, I get it: if he goes, we're still over the cap, so keep him, right? Well, I'd prefer to give his minutes to Nas and Anfernee (who actually outperformed him in many measures). Maybe if he was five inches taller he'd be a really solid SF. But he isn't.

I'm hoping for a sign-and-trade, myself.
 
he gone

give me just one reason why would he prioritize portland over other teams
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Am I alone in being totally okay with Norm leaving?
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Yep.

Rastapopoulos said:
He won't be worth the contract he gets and people will immediately start bitching about it.
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At $18-$20/yr, he will be worth it. If it's a contract that's $28+, then you may have a point.

Rastapopoulos said:
And he didn't turn us into a contender, he turned us from maybe a 7 seed into a 6 seed.
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And that is a surprise to you? That is one hell of a lofty goal for a mid-tier starter.

Rastapopoulos said:
Everyone seems to think he'll be worth it just as soon as we get rid of CJ, but CJ is a better shooter, better dribbler, better passer, and Norm's defense isn't half what it's cut out to be (except in patches - he's like a streak defender). There's a reason he never became a full-time starter in Toronto.
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In a vacuum, CJ is the better player. For the Blazers (playing next to Dame), Norm is the better FIT. CJ is the better dribbler & passer (when he chooses to be), but I don't see a significant difference in shooting (their TS% is nearly identical). Norm's defense isn't lock-down level, but it's a significant upgrade from CJ's.

Rastapopoulos said:
Plus CJ's not going anywhere. I have yet to see one remotely plausible trade idea for CJ. (Also: the number of people who (a) think Norm > CJ and (b) think nonetheless that the team that gave us Norm will gladly swap their core frontcourt player for CJ is not the zero it should be.)
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You're probably correct here. Olshey most likely is not going to trade CJ. I also don't see Toronto wanting CJ...

Rastapopoulos said:
Yes, I get it: if he goes, we're still over the cap, so keep him, right? Well, I'd prefer to give his minutes to Nas and Anfernee (who actually outperformed him in many measures). Maybe if he was five inches taller he'd be a really solid SF. But he isn't.
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Correct. Norm is not a SF... and that's the issue.
The drop-off between CJ -> Norm is less than the drop off between Norm -> Little/Ant. If we can trade CJ for a legit PF, we can field a better team.

Which team would you rather have?
Team A) Dame, CJ, (unknown SF - using the MLE), RoCo, Nurk
Team B) Dame, Norm, RoCo, Wood, Nurk (assuming we trade CJ to NYK for assets that get routed to HOU for Wood).

Rastapopoulos said:
I'm hoping for a sign-and-trade, myself.
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What realistic options do you anticipate this year? What teams out there would be willing to give something of value to S&T Norm to a $20M contract?
I'd expect most of the ones who would be interested could just sign him outright.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We can pay him more. And if we trade CJ, we've got a spot next to an MVP caliber player for him.

That's it.
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valid reason, money is the leverage blazers have over other teams

but if the blazers dont offer him much more than the other teams, hes likely gone, cause if you remember that interview he gave, he said that a lot of it will depend on how the season ends and it ended terribly... blazers are not a contender and he will likely get offers from other playoff teams, so no leverage for the blazers there and if he gets offer to play somewhere close to his home or in a big market... other thing to consider is his role on the team, we dont know if hes happy to play small forward, surely hed like to play shooting guard

odds are against the blazers, but who knows, nurk found his second home in pdx, maybe powell likes it there too
 
Mr. Robot said:
valid reason, money is the leverage blazers have over other teams

but if the blazers dont offer him much more than the other teams, hes likely gone, cause if you remember that interview he gave, he said that a lot of it will depend on how the season ends and it ended terribly... blazers are not a contender and he will likely get offers from other playoff teams, so no leverage for the blazers there and if he gets offer to play somewhere close to his home or in a big market... other thing to consider is his role on the team, we dont know if hes happy to play small forward, surely hed like to play shooting guard

odds are against the blazers, but who knows, nurk found his second home in pdx, maybe powell likes it there too
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That's all we can really hope for. And hopefully Olshey makes some convincing progress in the meantime...
 
tester551 said:
Which team would you rather have?
Team A) Dame, CJ, (unknown SF - using the MLE), RoCo, Nurk
Team B) Dame, Norm, RoCo, Wood, Nurk (assuming we trade CJ to NYK for assets that get routed to HOU for Wood).
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1. Wood isn't a PF
2. We can't get Wood
3. I don't like Wood that much
4. So, to be honest, Team A.

tester551 said:
In a vacuum, CJ is the better player. For the Blazers (playing next to Dame), Norm is the better FIT. CJ is the better dribbler & passer (when he chooses to be), but I don't see a significant difference in shooting (their TS% is nearly identical). Norm's defense isn't lock-down level, but it's a significant upgrade from CJ's.
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I disagree.
Norm is a below-average SG, I betcha. He's just not skilled enough. As I said before: he's a SF in a PG's body, which doesn't work out to being a SG. And there's no way in hell he can play any backup PG minutes.

I think hoping that CJ can recapture his pre-injury form is much more reasonable than hoping that he can be traded and that Norm can replace him.
 
It's really important to note that Norm was the only player that Olshey was talking up during his press conference. It would be a disaster to give up Gary, who we had as a RFA, then talk about how great Norm fits here and then let him walk for nothing.

I honestly think Olshey is planning on trading CJ and keeping Norm for around 20M per season.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think hoping that CJ can recapture his pre-injury form is much more reasonable than hoping that he can be traded and that Norm can replace him.
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his pre-injury form was a PER of 17.5, a league average TS%, a winshare/48 of .107, and a BPM of 1.2....oh! and crappy defense. So yeah, he can probably recapture that

and Gary Trent replaced CJ and Portland did as well with Trent as they did with CJ. Powell can accomplish what Trent did
 
Rastapopoulos said:
1. Wood isn't a PF
2. We can't get Wood
3. I don't like Wood that much
4. So, to be honest, Team A.


I disagree.
Norm is a below-average SG, I betcha. He's just not skilled enough. As I said before: he's a SF in a PG's body, which doesn't work out to being a SG. And there's no way in hell he can play any backup PG minutes.

I think hoping that CJ can recapture his pre-injury form is much more reasonable than hoping that he can be traded and that Norm can replace him.
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Obviously we disagree.... That's fine.

However, I don't want Norm playing ANY backup PG minutes. I don't even want CJ playing backup PG.... I would LOVE to have a real backup PG on the team for once. Who was the last one -> Tim Frazier?

Also, this last season was could statistically be considered CJ's best season ever. So I don't understand your sentiment about 'recapturing his pre-injury form'. CJ is who he is (and has been for the last 5+ seasons).
 
Same as at the time of the trade, I'm pretty indifferent on Norm.

Good player and I think he added an needed dynamic to the team, but I wouldn't overpay for him (which in my mind would be anything over 14-15m per year).

Think he's a bench player on a championship level team, besides in the most perfect of contexts alongside an elite big wing creator and 1-2 other high level guys.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I hope you’re right, but Olsalesman and his ego probably thinks he’ll be fine with a new coach
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I think Olshey knows his jobs on the line and that CJ is our most tradeable asset. The Lillard/CJ combo has ran its course and it’s not rocket science to see that combination won’t ever win anything
 
MickZagger said:
I think Olshey knows his jobs on the line and that CJ is our most tradeable asset. The Lillard/CJ combo has ran its course and it’s not rocket science to see that combination won’t ever win anything
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But hasn’t it been obvious for a few years now?
 
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