Norm Powell Contract

[riverman]

I think ownership realizes after Dame's historic 55 pt double OT masterpiece that with his marketing machine...global status....tv commercials...tennis shoes and rap career, movie role and all the razzle dazzle that is Lillard..that it's time for the gazillionaires to stop worrying about paying some luxury tax and getting what you pay for roster-wise in this small market. We have a historical team leader we may never see the likes of again here and a handful of years to give him the best chance to get to the big dance...We've got Paul...now we need to find John George and Ringo... if you fail to build a team with this guy, you blew your chance...you pay Norman Powell now and pay him well...he's George

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I’ll bet you $100

I want it in bitcoin.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

IWe've got Paul...now we need to find John George and Ringo... if you fail to build a team with this guy, you blew your chance...you pay Norman Powell now and pay him well...he's George

He's not even Pete Best.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think ownership realizes after Dame's historic 55 pt double OT masterpiece that with his marketing machine...global status....tv commercials...tennis shoes and rap career, movie role and all the razzle dazzle that is Lillard..that it's time for the gazillionaires to stop worrying about paying some luxury tax and getting what you pay for roster-wise in this small market. We have a historical team leader we may never see the likes of again here and a handful of years to give him the best chance to get to the big dance...We've got Paul...now we need to find John George and Ringo... if you fail to build a team with this guy, you blew your chance...you pay Norman Powell now and pay him well...he's George

Look at the Lux tax Nets, Warriors, Bucks & Clippers are paying.....wow

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think Olshey knows his jobs on the line and that CJ is our most tradeable asset. The Lillard/CJ combo has ran its course and it’s not rocket science to see that combination won’t ever win anything

CJ is not our most tradeable asset. He may be close to our LEAST tradeable asset - at least, if you want anything close to equal value in return.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Think he's a bench player on a championship level team,

What gave it away - the fact that he was a bench player on the 2019 champions?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I would LOVE to have a real backup PG on the team for once.

So we're agreed - Olshey has to go.

 

[Hoopguru]

CJ is not our most tradeable asset. He may be close to our LEAST tradeable asset - at least, if you want anything close to equal value in return.

How do we really know though?

 

[riverman]

Look at the Lux tax Nets, Warriors, Bucks & Clippers are paying.....wow

People don't realize how much money the owners of the team have and what they spend it on...we have an extremely wealthy owner.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

his pre-injury form was a PER of 17.5, a league average TS%, a winshare/48 of .107, and a BPM of 1.2....oh! and crappy defense. So yeah, he can probably recapture that

You missed the part about second in the entire NBA in RPM.

 

[riverman]

He's not even Pete Best.

That's Rodney Hood.....Norm is George...the quiet Beatle

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That's Rodney Hood.....Norm is George...the quiet Beatle

Please. Stuart Sutcliffe maybe.

 

[riverman]

Please. Stuart Sutcliffe maybe.

Stuart couldn't play bass ...he was a poser

 

[Hoopguru]

People don't realize how much money the owners of the team have and what they spend it on...we have an extremely wealthy owner.

You'd think FA players (stars players) and agents would know that and try and capitalize.

 

[blazerkor]

But hasn’t it been obvious for a few years now?

I don't think it has to Olshey and he's the one who was talking up the Norm acquisition and for the first time not bragging about CJ.

 

[Natebishop3]

Here’s the real challenge, do you trade CJ first to show Norm you’re serious about keeping him or do you try to sign him first and trade CJ second?

 

[wizenheimer]

You missed the part about second in the entire NBA in RPM.

didn't miss it. It was similar to his other unreal numbers in those first 12 games. Unsustainable....obviously

by the way, ESPN changed the way they calculate RPM prior to last season and it's become one of the noisiest stats around.

 

[MickZagger]

I want it in bitcoin.

I only got Doge

 

[blazerkor]

Here’s the real challenge, do you trade CJ first to show Norm you’re serious about keeping him or do you try to sign him first and trade CJ second?

I think you trade CJ during the draft... it's the best time to make deals. I think we're allowed to talk to Norm between now and then to make sure the right role and coach will keep him here.

 

[illmatic99]

Here’s the real challenge, do you trade CJ first to show Norm you’re serious about keeping him or do you try to sign him first and trade CJ second?

it's naiive to think neil hasn't already reached out to norm and his agents.

 

[Natebishop3]

it's naiive to think neil hasn't already reached out to norm and his agents.

That's all well and good, but people can change their minds. It has happened before.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think you trade CJ during the draft... it's the best time to make deals. I think we're allowed to talk to Norm between now and then to make sure the right role and coach will keep him here.

Portland has Powell under contract. As far as I know, they are allowed to discuss just about anything with him and his agent

Powell would be an idiot to agree to anything at this point, IMO. He can nod his head and make encouraging noises though

 

[wizenheimer]

That's all well and good, but people can change their minds. It has happened before.

people can also lie and over-promise

 

[Natebishop3]

people can also lie and over-promise

Lie cheat and steal.

 

[wizenheimer]

Obviously we disagree.... That's fine.

However, I don't want Norm playing ANY backup PG minutes. I don't even want CJ playing backup PG.... I would LOVE to have a real backup PG on the team for once. Who was the last one -> Tim Frazier?

Also, this last season was could statistically be considered CJ's best season ever. So I don't understand your sentiment about 'recapturing his pre-injury form'. CJ is who he is (and has been for the last 5+ seasons).

Rasta has been pushing really hard for Portland to trade Dame and keep CJ

 

[blazerkor]

Portland has Powell under contract. As far as I know, they are allowed to discuss just about anything with him and his agent

Powell would be an idiot to agree to anything at this point, IMO. He can nod his head and make encouraging noises though

Oh yeah, I'm just saying that we can work out something tentative with Norm and at least know the ideal situation for keeping Norm.

 

[Natebishop3]

Rasta has been pushing really hard for Portland to trade Dame and keep CJ

The darkest timeline. I would stop watching the team.

 

[wizenheimer]

The darkest timeline. I would stop watching the team.

me too

Dame gone while Olshey and CJ remain...that's yuck to the 7th power

on the bright side, a blazer fan wouldn't have to worry about watching blazer playoff games and the lottery would have meaning again

 

[BBert]

Here’s the real challenge, do you trade CJ first to show Norm you’re serious about keeping him or do you try to sign him first and trade CJ second?

Trade CJ first. Even if Powell doesn't sign, we've likely acquired a nice player.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Rasta has been pushing really hard for Portland to trade Dame and keep CJ

I haven't been "pushing" for it, I've been pointing out that it's the only thing that makes sense. And so far, nobody's bothered trying to rebut those arguments. (Saying "ew" is not a rebuttal.)

To recap the main points:
1. Dame is at his very peak, both of talent and value. It's downhill from here.
2. CJ is probably at the nadir of his value. His value would improve if he played without Dame
3. If we trade CJ to "make the Blazers better in Dame's window" then we'll almost certainly have to package him with picks.
4. Picks are more valuable to a small-market team that can't sign FAs than to other teams (like the Clippers) that have unloaded them
5. Trying to build a better team around Dame by trading CJ will fail and hamstring us for years.

To be clear, I know no Portland GM has the cajones to trade Dame. But Olshey is also no doubt being made painfully aware of how little he can get for CJ and will not trade CJ either. So. Get ready to run it back with diminishing returns.