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blazerfan11 said:
What roster balancing is Cronin talking about?
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Yeah if we don't trade CJ for a forward I will actually be all over firing Cronin. If he trades CJ and gets real value I'm willing to reconsider. This trade was absolutely, positively HORRIBLE. It was just a salary dump and a shitty, SHITTY one at that. We traded 2 firsts for Roco and turn around and trade him for a 2nd and a marginal player? DA FUQ?!?!?! Not to mention trading Trent for a rental as it turns out in Powell. Simply unreal and a Western conference rival no less. Absolutely horrible trade.
 
Hoopguru said:
Could be, still do be determined for me. Its obvious it was shedding salary but it could be for making room to replace two positions tat were manned by guys that were really playing out of position. More so RoCo imo, but the three guard line up wasnt working either and they want Simons signed I bet. CJ & some could still help fill one of those positions in a big way.
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It seems to me you do the CJ trade first. Did this clear up cap room to take back a larger contract (SIMMONS PLEASE GOD)? I just don't get it. I see zero upside to this. Is there something about the cap I'm missing when we have to keep Bledsoe next season?!!??!
 
blazerfan11 said:
What roster balancing is Cronin talking about?
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have you watched the team play without dame, cj mccollum & powell

that was balanced starting unit, players fitted well with each other, but obviously there wasnt enough talent, so the goal is to do the same, but with enough talent to compete

trading for powell was a mistake from the roster contruction point, he was never going to start at shooting guard position with cj mccollum on the team and they never planned on using him as a backup and him playing at small forward was a failure, add to that emergance of little and simons, he had no place on this team going forward and the same goes for cj mccollum, either he or simons need to get traded, but it will surely be cj mccollum

we can argue about the return we got for roco & powell, but them being gone is actually a good thing for the team, its a step in the right direction

we already know three starters for the next season: dame lillard, ant & little, well see what theyre gonna do with nurk and power forward position (we know that nurk fits well with dame and we know that he fitted well with ant & little, so they should re-sign nurk, as i dont see how they can get anyone thats better player or better fit than nurk)... neil olshey made panic moves (two 1sts for roco, 1st for larry nance jr, trade for powell which turned out to be utter failure), joe cronin isnt doing panic moves, he just made what it looks like a smart move, aiming for a balanced roster, a team thats good fit together
 
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BonesJones said:
It just makes no sense because the Pelicans trade could've been wrapped into a deal that could've helped us accomplish exactly what Bledsoe's contract could. The only way that isn't the case is if another team overvalues Keon Johnson even more than we did.
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What Pelicans trade?
 
I'm depressed about the direction of the team right now. I've been thinking about it, going around the web to see other opinions, I just don't see how this trade can be used to advance the Blazers as a competitor in the next few years. I haven't felt this drained about a Blazer move since the trade for Felton. Figures, because this might be the most unenjoyable Blazer team to watch since the Felton-Crawford team.
 
blazerkor said:
I didn't want equal value in talent... I don't even mind "losing" a trade if it means achieving another goal or more importantly the fit makes the team better. I do mind getting completely fleeced and that's what happened today. There is absolutely no reason with the incredibly small amount of talent coming back that the second rounder wasn't a first or we get that second rounder and a future first as well. What's done is done I guess. Let's just hope that there's another trade or even two that make this trade make some sense.
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yeah, I agree

I see some people doing real contortions of logic to try and justify this trade because of the supposed followup deal(s) that will retroactively make this trade better and prove Cronin is playing 3D chess. But any perspective of this trade based upon the actual trade says it was a terrible trade for Portland. So the subsequent moves, if indeed there are any, need to be pretty damn spectacular to offset the shit-sandwich that this trade is
 
We also lost roster flexibility trading 2 for 3. Looks like Watford isn't getting a contract. And any subsequent CJ for Multiple Player deals will require us waiving some guys first.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, I agree

I see some people doing real contortions of logic to try and justify this trade because of the supposed followup deal(s) that will retroactively make this trade better and prove Cronin is playing 3D chess. But any perspective of this trade based upon the actual trade says it was a terrible trade for Portland. So the subsequent moves, if indeed there are any, need to be pretty damn spectacular to offset the shit-sandwich that this trade is
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It’s not “contortions” of logic. It’s logic. This wasn’t a trade made to get better. My mom wouldn’t make this trade as a stand-alone. Everyone knows this. It’s about whatever is next, whether that is next week or next summer. It is about money. It’s about Roco having not near the league wide interest as everyone seems to think and Powells huge contract. Logic says Cronin isn’t a compete dolt who wants to end his career. Go ahead and judge it on today, whatever. It’s not contorting anything. Everyone knows this one transaction sucks on its own. Y’all are geniuses.
 
calvin natt said:
It’s not “contortions” of logic. It’s logic. This wasn’t a trade made to get better. My mom wouldn’t make this trade as a stand-alone. Everyone knows this. It’s about whatever is next, whether that is next week or next summer. It is about money. It’s about Roco having not near the league wide interest as everyone seems to think and Powells huge contract. Logic says Cronin isn’t a compete dolt who wants to end his career. Go ahead and judge it on today, whatever. It’s not contorting anything. Everyone knows this one transaction sucks on its own. Y’all are geniuses.
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exactly... it was a shit trade and the only hope to salvage the situation is good trades to follow. But what if no good trades follow?
 
I haven't seen any kinda weird "squint just right" way of looking at this that isn't an unmitigated disaster. Unless there is some bizarre cap thing that lets us take on a bigger contract (Simmons with trade kicker?!) I just don't get this at all. It looks HORRIBLE at this point. Bledsoe's contract is NOT expiring it lasts until 2023.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
 
Does anyone know in wild speculative theory does this somehow make the Simmons trade or other large contract trade more likely due to contract stuff I can't comprehend? The part that baffles me is Bledsoe. Why in god's name would we want him on that contract?

Can we trade one or all of these guys onward during the trade deadline, meaning the 3 we just got?
 
wizenheimer said:
exactly... it was a shit trade and the only hope to salvage the situation is good trades to follow. But what if no good trades follow?
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I think it’s impossible that would be the case, is what I keep saying. Probably six or so posts now. I’m confident this deal makes way for something else OR it’s just part of a huge rebuild plan and I’m fine with both. This team (another thing I keep saying) had ZERO shot at doing anything worthwhile with the roster it had. No trades could be made while keeping Lillard. Not surpassing about five teams just in the WC. So start over. I would have loved a first round pick but maybe LA just said no. Maybe Cronin has been shopping all month and could see this was the market for them. So get a head start for next week or this summer.
 
calvin natt said:
I think it’s impossible that would be the case, is what I keep saying. Probably six or so posts now. I’m confident this deal makes way for something else OR it’s just part of a huge rebuild plan and I’m fine with both. This team (another thing I keep saying) had ZERO shot at doing anything worthwhile with the roster it had. No trades could be made while keeping Lillard. Not surpassing about five teams just in the WC. So start over. I would have loved a first round pick but maybe LA just said no. Maybe Cronin has been shopping all month and could see this was the market for them. So get a head start for next week or this summer.
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again though, for Powell & RoCo I simply do not believe that a 2nd round pick 4 drafts from now is the best draft asset Portland could have landed; nor are the returning players the best talent assets that could have been received

the ONLY thing that can justify this trade, even a little, is if Bledsoe is traded before the trade deadline for something significant
 
riverman said:
Ask yourself how this trade would've felt before Roco got benched and remember last game we lost with him he went 0-8 from deep....in Nov-Dec nobody valued him that much around here at all...he just raised his game at the right time...he actually stunk up the joint before that and in the playoff loss to Denver.
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Dude. Stop.

Almost everyone thought we could get at least a first for Roco. Even if it was one 3 years away.

We gave him away for basically nothing. AND Powell.

This is terrible.
 
wizenheimer said:
again though, for Powell & RoCo I simply do not believe that a 2nd round pick 4 drafts from now is the best draft asset Portland could have landed; nor are the returning players the best talent assets that could have been received

the ONLY thing that can justify this trade, even a little, is if Bledsoe is traded before the trade deadline for something significant
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The trade doesn’t make sense on its own. It just does not. So I have to believe it’s part of something else. But again. It may be this weekend or week or June. Until it happens people will just have to continue to be pissed off.
 
riverman said:
Stop? That's rich....who cares what "everyone" thought...speak for yourself ...perspective, you can melt down...I try to look at it from all the angles. Been fun actually...just think people did a 360 on Roco over a stretch of 6 games...he needed to go.....Norm I've expressed what I think that was...a polite request by him to get out of here to a place he wanted to play....but go ahead....melt down..say we suck, etc...fire Joe...I don't have any of that reaction today Addition by subtraction...salary dump...got something for a guy who could walk..small victories..people wig out over this stuff you'd think Dame got traded...there's a lot more change to come.
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You would wig out if we traded Dame. I wouldn't. It would actually make a little more sense of this horrible trade we made today if we did trade Dame.
 
TBpup said:
Of course RoCo needed to go. But to get so little besides cap flexibility from 2 starters seems pretty poor.
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A first would have been more fair but I get the feeling teams are treating them like gold rn.
 
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