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Portland Trail Blazers acquire Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson and a second-round pick
This could also be a sign of things to come, but in a very different way. Anfernee Simons continues to emerge as a great guard option for the Blazers, which made Powell a lot easier to send out. They’ve got so much money tied up in their starting backcourt to begin with, so Powell being another eight-figure option wasn’t totally necessary when the team isn’t having success. The Blazers are down for various reasons this season, and paying that kind of money for a team that might be transitioning to something less aggressive in how they intend to compete makes sense. If Lillard isn’t coming back this season, why not try to shed some long-term money while also picking up another prospect to develop as they’ve done with Simons and Nassir Little?

Even if Lillard is coming back, they’re just hoping to hold on to a Play-In Tournament spot before retooling the roster this summer. Or maybe they’re going to feel incentivized to find a trade partner in a move that gives up McCollum? The Blazers front office is as in flux as this roster and team team on the court, so we might not get definite answers to any of these questions.

What this definitely does for the Blazers is clean up the books. It should take them below the luxury tax threshold or put them in a real position to skirt that penalty, which is imperative for a team that simply isn’t winning enough games. Eric Bledsoe could end up being a buyout candidate with only $3.9 million of his $19.3 million for next season guaranteed. The Blazers are shedding a lot of future money here and helping themselves out right now with the tax.

As for the other players acquired, we are in the seventh season of the “If Justise Winslow can stay healthy, then he can be…” show. Let’s not assume Winslow is going to put it all together for the Blazers. He’s just a solid role-playing body for them. He’s another guy to throw into the rotation now, and he’s under contract for next season at just over $4 million. Keon Johnson might be the real find for the Blazers in this deal. He was one of the most athletic guys going into the 2021 draft and is a crazy leaper who might instantly become the most athletic guy on the team. Having two young players like him and Simons can bring some fun and excitement to what’s left of the Blazers. Johnson has barely played this season for the Clippers, but there are rotation spots open for him now in Portland.

Johnson is going to get an opportunity to develop, and if he learns how to shoot from the outside, he can be a very nice role player for them moving forward. This is mostly a money deal for a fledgling product on the court, but at least there’s some excitement here long term. You just would rather get a first-rounder for Powell rather than have that main future piece be Johnson. Both would’ve been ideal, but this is fine.
https://theathletic.com/3112681/202...ive-player-trade-instant-grades-and-reaction/
 
it was mentioned somewhere else but imagine if 3 days ago, some Clipper fan came here and proposed this very trade

every single poster here would have told him, in one fashion or another, to go fuck himself...get out of here with that garbage

3 days later.....
 
Shit trades don’t have to be prerequisite for a good trade. This whole thing is baffling to me. Even if we wanted to dump salary in order to be able to afford Simons (who IMO might be another overhyped by this fan base young player) then do so by acquiring assets as well. To give Roco without getting back a pick is one thing. But, Norm who is a very valuable player in this league AND RoCo and not get a 1st back or even a worthwhile prospect is just blasphemy.

That’s a wet dream type trade for the Clippers. We settled on a shit trade a week before the deadline. A rookie GM move. Closer to the deadline we could’ve angled more shit out of the Clippers or another team with that combination of players and I know it.
 
We couldn't even get the Clippers best rookie in the trade. How incompetent.
 
I was thinking about the decision to dump Roco, and beyond the possibility of another four coming, his free agency, I think he might’ve just not been a fit for how Billups wants to play.

The two things he talks about the most offensively are moving the ball, and driving/kicking. Well, Roco doesn’t put the ball on the floor and isn’t a very good passer. Winslow probably isn’t viewed as a starter or anything, but he does those two things much better and is a plus defender himself.

Just something to think about for future moves. There’s a clear way Billups wants to play. If you don’t fit, peace. That’s one thing I hated about Olshey. I was no Stotts fan, but Olshey never really gave him the type of players he wanted to play with.
 
Scalma said:
Portland Trail Blazers acquire Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson and a second-round pick
This could also be a sign of things to come, but in a very different way. Anfernee Simons continues to emerge as a great guard option for the Blazers, which made Powell a lot easier to send out. They’ve got so much money tied up in their starting backcourt to begin with, so Powell being another eight-figure option wasn’t totally necessary when the team isn’t having success. The Blazers are down for various reasons this season, and paying that kind of money for a team that might be transitioning to something less aggressive in how they intend to compete makes sense. If Lillard isn’t coming back this season, why not try to shed some long-term money while also picking up another prospect to develop as they’ve done with Simons and Nassir Little?

Even if Lillard is coming back, they’re just hoping to hold on to a Play-In Tournament spot before retooling the roster this summer. Or maybe they’re going to feel incentivized to find a trade partner in a move that gives up McCollum? The Blazers front office is as in flux as this roster and team team on the court, so we might not get definite answers to any of these questions.

What this definitely does for the Blazers is clean up the books. It should take them below the luxury tax threshold or put them in a real position to skirt that penalty, which is imperative for a team that simply isn’t winning enough games. Eric Bledsoe could end up being a buyout candidate with only $3.9 million of his $19.3 million for next season guaranteed. The Blazers are shedding a lot of future money here and helping themselves out right now with the tax.

As for the other players acquired, we are in the seventh season of the “If Justise Winslow can stay healthy, then he can be…” show. Let’s not assume Winslow is going to put it all together for the Blazers. He’s just a solid role-playing body for them. He’s another guy to throw into the rotation now, and he’s under contract for next season at just over $4 million. Keon Johnson might be the real find for the Blazers in this deal. He was one of the most athletic guys going into the 2021 draft and is a crazy leaper who might instantly become the most athletic guy on the team. Having two young players like him and Simons can bring some fun and excitement to what’s left of the Blazers. Johnson has barely played this season for the Clippers, but there are rotation spots open for him now in Portland.

Johnson is going to get an opportunity to develop, and if he learns how to shoot from the outside, he can be a very nice role player for them moving forward. This is mostly a money deal for a fledgling product on the court, but at least there’s some excitement here long term. You just would rather get a first-rounder for Powell rather than have that main future piece be Johnson. Both would’ve been ideal, but this is fine.
https://theathletic.com/3112681/202...ive-player-trade-instant-grades-and-reaction/
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This take sounds like It's more about cleaning up the mess Olshey has made in the last few years. I can't say i disagree with it. Time will tell.
 
wizenheimer said:
it was mentioned somewhere else but imagine if 3 days ago, some Clipper fan came here and proposed this very trade

every single poster here would have told him, in one fashion or another, to go fuck himself...get out of here with that garbage

3 days later.....
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That could be because not one person on this board actually is a GM of a NBA team and most only have a very vague idea about what they are talking about. Who here is on the phones with other GM's? Who here is actually making these kinds of decisions?
 
Scalma said:
I was thinking about the decision to dump Roco, and beyond the possibility of another four coming, his free agency, I think he might’ve just not been a fit for how Billups wants to play.

The two things he talks about the most offensively are moving the ball, and driving/kicking. Well, Roco doesn’t put the ball on the floor and isn’t a very good passer. Winslow probably isn’t viewed as a starter or anything, but he does those two things much better and is a plus defender himself.

Just something to think about for future moves. There’s a clear way Billups wants to play. If you don’t fit, peace. That’s one thing I hated about Olshey. I was no Stotts fan, but Olshey never really gave him the type of players he wanted to play with.
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My thoughts as well. What is Billups and his coaching staff saying? What are they looking for? Highly doubt this trade was made without any thought? Cronin didn't just get out of bed yesterday and say " Fuck it! I'm calling the Clippers and trading RoCo and Powell".
Also there might be a reason this happened a number of days before the deadline. If you listened to Chauncey's interview before the game last night you heard him say some things that might make people think there is way more to it.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
My thoughts as well. What is Billups and his coaching staff saying? What are they looking for? Highly doubt this trade was made without any thought? Cronin didn't just get out of bed yesterday and say " Fuck it! I'm calling the Clippers and trading RoCo and Powell".
Also there might be a reason this happened a number of days before the deadline. If you listened to Chauncey's interview before the game last night you heard him say some things that might make people think there is way more to it.
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you have a link or anything to that interview? What’d he say? And yeah that trade would make zero sense without follow up moves. Might not happen next week but it’s coming.
 
Scalma said:
Found this. So Billups was definitely involved. And I doubt the primary objective was to get Justise Winslow and Keon Johnson lolz

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I honestly think this was more about just surrendering a bit to the situation. Hitting a reset button and going a new way while trying to keep that draft pick. This was Olshey's roster. Chauncy spoke numerous times about players needing to buy in. He also obviously had decided to go with Little over RoCo.
Now put yourself in Robert Covington's shoes. Great guy. Was willing to give his all but the system and players around him were not really working. There is a family in the NBA. Billups knows this and has lived it. Sending RoCo to a team where at his age he can maybe have a chance to compete or even be moved again to another place to compete? I could see that.
Now look at Powell. He was brought here and he made a decision to sign here. There have got to be some form of handshake type deal with him as well.

Everyone here knows what the Blazers had was not working. They absolutely needed to get under the tax and find some relief by shedding salary for future moves. Billups has a right to build a team and system that works for him. I just can't see how they could build something better without tearing some of this system down. Teams are not taking CJ and his contract. Cronin has no choice here CJ is Guaranteed $100 million still. The way people are reacting to this seems a bit unrealistic at best.
 
Scalma said:
Found this. So Billups was definitely involved. And I doubt the primary objective was to get Justise Winslow and Keon Johnson lolz

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The solution to a team with terrible defense, trade the only guard who plays defense. That sounds like a NBA championships contending team.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Could this be an emotional take?
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Could be but trying to rationalize it based on this trade alone is very hard to do. Everyone agreed we had too many undersized guards and everyone knows our defense was miserable. Norm was young, played hard nose defense, could score and was on a good contract locked up through his prime. If you were just going to give a played away then CJ is the obvious choice as the CJ/Dame experiment has run it's course.
 
Thought I’d feel better about this trade this morning but still don’t understand how we got ZERO assets out of this deal. I’m fine with trading Roco for scrubs but losing Powel in same deal and getting nothing back of value is absurd. This happened days before the deadline which is even more perplexing why not wait to see if someone gets desperate and throws in a 1st rounder or good prospect for Powel. Got to hope they did this deal in order to make another deal. If not this deal reaks of rookie GM and rookie coach making rookie mistake!
 
Scalma said:
Portland Trail Blazers acquire Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson and a second-round pick
This could also be a sign of things to come, but in a very different way. Anfernee Simons continues to emerge as a great guard option for the Blazers, which made Powell a lot easier to send out. They’ve got so much money tied up in their starting backcourt to begin with, so Powell being another eight-figure option wasn’t totally necessary when the team isn’t having success. The Blazers are down for various reasons this season, and paying that kind of money for a team that might be transitioning to something less aggressive in how they intend to compete makes sense. If Lillard isn’t coming back this season, why not try to shed some long-term money while also picking up another prospect to develop as they’ve done with Simons and Nassir Little?

Even if Lillard is coming back, they’re just hoping to hold on to a Play-In Tournament spot before retooling the roster this summer. Or maybe they’re going to feel incentivized to find a trade partner in a move that gives up McCollum? The Blazers front office is as in flux as this roster and team team on the court, so we might not get definite answers to any of these questions.

What this definitely does for the Blazers is clean up the books. It should take them below the luxury tax threshold or put them in a real position to skirt that penalty, which is imperative for a team that simply isn’t winning enough games. Eric Bledsoe could end up being a buyout candidate with only $3.9 million of his $19.3 million for next season guaranteed. The Blazers are shedding a lot of future money here and helping themselves out right now with the tax.

As for the other players acquired, we are in the seventh season of the “If Justise Winslow can stay healthy, then he can be…” show. Let’s not assume Winslow is going to put it all together for the Blazers. He’s just a solid role-playing body for them. He’s another guy to throw into the rotation now, and he’s under contract for next season at just over $4 million. Keon Johnson might be the real find for the Blazers in this deal. He was one of the most athletic guys going into the 2021 draft and is a crazy leaper who might instantly become the most athletic guy on the team. Having two young players like him and Simons can bring some fun and excitement to what’s left of the Blazers. Johnson has barely played this season for the Clippers, but there are rotation spots open for him now in Portland.

Johnson is going to get an opportunity to develop, and if he learns how to shoot from the outside, he can be a very nice role player for them moving forward. This is mostly a money deal for a fledgling product on the court, but at least there’s some excitement here long term. You just would rather get a first-rounder for Powell rather than have that main future piece be Johnson. Both would’ve been ideal, but this is fine.
https://theathletic.com/3112681/202...ive-player-trade-instant-grades-and-reaction/
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I didn't read anything in that piece that made the deal sound "fine".
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Thought I’d feel better about this trade this morning but still don’t understand how we got ZERO assets out of this deal. I’m fine with trading Roco for scrubs but losing Powel in same deal and getting nothing back of value is absurd. This happened days before the deadline which is even more perplexing why not wait to see if someone gets desperate and throws in a 1st rounder or good prospect for Powel. Got to hope they did this deal in order to make another deal. If not this deal reaks of rookie GM and rookie coach making rookie mistake!
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Zero assets? I mean maybe you don’t like the assets but they didn’t get zero.
 
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