Norm RoCo traded

[1 Eye Jack]

Zero assets? I mean maybe you don’t like the assets but they didn’t get zero.

Ok they have little to no value. Tell me this if you ran a team which players would you consider to have more value Powel and Roco or what we got back in the trade? If we’re to trade away the pieces we got what value do they have around the league? Sorry no disrespect for the players we got but to me Powel had way more value than any player we got back in trade and it was reported multiple times that there were teams interested in Roco. For a contending team Roco would be a great fit and have good value

 

[illmatic99]

I guess the good part every GM in the league is calling us now, knowing they can take advantage of our GM

This is it. We are gonna get lowballed to death. Cronin has zero tact in negotiation. Dude didnt realize what he just created

 

[1 Eye Jack]

...two 1st round picks!!

for CJ
Saw in an article someone suggested Westbrook and 2 first from Lakers. With Lebrons age and the lack of upcoming talent those picks could have great value. Obviously this isn’t there gm suggesting that but They know time is running out for Lebron I could see them being desperate and making a deal like this although thought of having Westbrook on this team makes me sick to my stomach

 

[calvin natt]

Ok they have little to no value. Tell me this if you ran a team which players would you consider to have more value Powel and Roco or what we got back in the trade? If we’re to trade away the pieces we got what value do they have around the league? Sorry no disrespect for the players we got but to me Powel had way more value than any player we got back in trade and it was reported multiple times that there were teams interested in Roco. For a contending team Roco would be a great fit and have good value

Yes it’s fact that Powell and Roco are Better players. But the deal wasn’t made to get better players back. Or equal players. It was financial so they could do something else later. And no, not the financial aspect “oh great more money for Jody Allen”, which is just a tired line at this point. Keon may end up a good player. The other two no, and I would bet won’t be around much longer.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Yes it’s fact that Powell and Roco are Better players. But the deal wasn’t made to get better players back. Or equal players. It was financial so they could do something else later. And no, not the financial aspect “oh great more money for Jody Allen”, which is just a tired line at this point. Keon may end up a good player. The other two no, and I would bet won’t be around much longer.

appreciate your opinion my gut tells me we should have at least gotten a 1st round pick out of this trade or out of another trade. 1st round picks are gold and would have had huge value when combined in another trade. Unless another deal is in works I don’t see why this deal had to happen 5 days before deadline

 

[Scalma]

The solution to a team with terrible defense, trade the only guard who plays defense. That sounds like a NBA championships contending team.

did you just claim that Norman Powell plays defense? LOL

 

[Labinot41]

Cronin is a criminal

 

[wizenheimer]

I was more asking about your own actions/behaviors than your threshold for Portland’s actions.

so was I

 

[wizenheimer]

Found this. So Billups was definitely involved. And I doubt the primary objective was to get Justise Winslow and Keon Johnson lolz

LOL...yeah right.

can somebody point out how the return on that trade in terms of talent, or reducing next year's payroll by a grand total of 6.1M moves Portland toward contention?

 

[blazerfan11]

The big question is what happens to CJ McCollum and Anfernee Simons. It would be dumb to have the three largest salaries going to three small guards, one of them being a backup.

 

[Hoopguru]

LOL...yeah right.

can somebody point out how the return on that trade in terms of talent, or reducing next year's payroll by a grand total of 6.1M moves Portland toward contention?

Did you expect contention moving trades by deadline or are you giving him through off season?
I understand your thoughts on this trade I just think it cool to have a stat guy like you challenge a stat/cap vulcanite. Im going to wait and see how this turns out fir the start of next season when our Super Star leader is back.

 

[Scalma]

The big question is what happens to CJ McCollum and Anfernee Simons. It would be dumb to have the three largest salaries going to three small guards, one of them being a backup.

This quote by Cronin suggests they’re rolling with Simons. Can’t see them spending $20M+ on a sixth man considering the last quote about balancing out the roster.

 

[wizenheimer]

Did you expect contention moving trades by deadline or are you giving him through off season?
I understand your thoughts on this trade .

of course I didn't. And there are still 4-5 days before the trade deadline. And there's the off-season. And next year's trade deadline. And rinse-repeat. So, just be patient, right? fuck that....I've endured a decade of "be patient" with olshey

right now, the only positive aspect of this trade that I can see is it makes Portland a worse team which increases the chances of a lottery pick. I guess that's a step toward contending, but it's not much of one. And if that was the goal, then for fucksakes, Bledsoe should never play a minute. Just waive him the day after the deadline

the way to contend is to surround Dame with better talent. This trade goes the wrong direction

 

[HailBlazers]

appreciate your opinion my gut tells me we should have at least gotten a 1st round pick out of this trade or out of another trade. 1st round picks are gold and would have had huge value when combined in another trade. Unless another deal is in works I don’t see why this deal had to happen 5 days before deadline

That would have been more fair. But like you said teams are treating first round picks like gold. Only reason why it would have to happen now was if there was indeed other deals in the works. Especially mult-team

 

[wizenheimer]

That would have been more fair. But like you said teams are treating first round picks like gold. Only reason why it would have to happen now was if there was indeed other deals in the works. Especially mult-team

keep in mind it was a 2-for-3 trade. Blazers have a full roster now. I can't keep track of the Covid rules and how many players a team is allowed to carry, but it's hard to believe the Blazers hove the slots to make a CJ trade that brings in 2 or more players without expanding the trade (by Portland adding players) or waiving players. And, since I'm assuming yesterday's trade is official, none of Bledsoe-Winslow-Johnson can be part of a multi-player trade from Portland's side

 

[Chris Craig]

I woke up hoping this was just a bad dream. Damn

 

[Hoopguru]

of course I didn't. And there are still 4-5 days before the trade deadline. And there's the off-season. And next year's trade deadline. And rinse-repeat. So, just be patient, right? fuck that....I've endured a decade of "be patient" with olshey

right now, the only positive aspect of this trade that I can see is it makes Portland a worse team which increases the chances of a lottery pick. I guess that's a step toward contending, but it's not much of one. And if that was the goal, then for fucksakes, Bledsoe should never play a minute. Just waive him the day after the deadline

the way to contend is to surround Dame with better talent. This trade goes the wrong direction

Yeah the rinse and repeat gets old for sure but with Dame & Chauncey having input, maybe something that makes since for the roster fit will happen?
We still have assets and maybe Dame & Chauncey dont buy into the 3 guard line up & Naz p-laying more three (if healthy) so moving Powells contract allows for another move to hopefully beef up front line. With the emergence of Simons and Dame coming back healthy, our guard line up should be ok with decent back-up.
And maybe Joe just wanted to feel what it was like to pull the finger before another GM this off season takes over, or better yet a new owner? Who the fuck knows?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

not at all...he's just starting the Neil Olshey demolition phase of giving Chauncey the roster we need ....addition by subtraction is more real than people want to admit mostly because they over value our guys.....I saw people showing trades for our players that were ridiculous....like New Orleans giving us a bunch of players and 3 first round picks for CJ....then when that isn't possible...think they're better at trades than a guy who's a cap expert and has 17 years experience in the field...whole lotta meltdown over nothing in my view....we got Johnson and a second for Roco and Bledsoe's expiring deal plus Winslow for probably fulfilling Norm's request to play in LA. Joe successfully got us out of immediate repeater tax territory for next season which saved the franchise a boatload of money and wants to take the Bledsoe money and pieces to improve the frontcourt......let it unfold...in the fall...tell me how Joe did.

He is off to a horrendous start.

I don't think we want to see what the Fall will be like.

 

[Hoopguru]

How many in here have ever sold a car, rv, boat, whatever and you took a loss but you were focused on that new want/need and you needed to free up some funds and make room in Garage?

 

[Strenuus]

well that sucks for you....all he's done is rip off the first bandaid. I definitely want to see what Chauncey, Dame and Joe come up with over the offseason...we're not trying to win now so if that's what you wanted at the deadline...you'll be disappointed.

Did we get assets to help us out of this tank when giving two starters away?

The answer is no. The only answer is no.

He fucked up. That's the only right answer.

Have a good day. I am!

 

[blazedanugz]

yup....we got a 2nd and a 21 first rounder in Johnson.. for Roco and an expiring worth 19 mill for Norm's long 5 year deal .plus a defenisive player in Winslow.......and staying out of the repeater tax let's you turn Bledsoe money into a player in a position of need....he's not done...a carpenter doesn't fuck up a remodel just because he tears up the carpet and hasn't laid the hardwood floor yet.....come fall we'll be better...you'll see. Addition by subtraction.

I agree with this. Most of us just don’t trust the organization to do the right moves

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I agree with this. Most of us just don’t trust the organization to do the right moves

If we traded Dame for a boatload of assets the trade would make some sense. Even if it still sucks.

Retooling with Dame......this deal makes zero sense.

 

[BBert]

I agree with Cronin's strategy. I'm disappointed he didn't receive better assets in return. Obviously he's been beating the bushes to execute his strategy and get the best possible return. It appears he ran out of time and took what he could get. Maybe he needed to make a move of this nature to achieve his primary target before the deadline. At least I hope that's the case. Or for all we know he may have needed one or more of these particular players to get it done. On paper, yesterday's move was shockingly bad. It was one step back. I'm waiting for Cronin to take his two steps forward. All I have left is hope.

 

[Strenuus]

I agree with Cronin's strategy. I'm disappointed he didn't receive better assets in return. Obviously he's been beating the bushes to execute his strategy and get the best possible return. It appears he ran out of time and took what he could get. Maybe he needed to make a move of this nature to make another more important move before the deadline. At least I hope that's the case. Or for all we know he may have needed one or more of these particular players to get it done. On paper, yesterday's move was shockingly bad. It was one step back. I'm waiting for Cronin to take his two steps forward. All I have left is hope.

Ran out of time? There was a week left lol

 

[Hoopguru]

I agree with Cronin's strategy. I'm disappointed he didn't receive better assets in return. Obviously he's been beating the bushes to execute his strategy and get the best possible return. It appears he ran out of time and took what he could get. Maybe he needed to make a move of this nature to achieve his primary target before the deadline. At least I hope that's the case. Or for all we know he may have needed one or more of these particular players to get it done. On paper, yesterday's move was shockingly bad. It was one step back. I'm waiting for Cronin to take his two steps forward. All I have left is hope.

This league is made up of teams that are constantly re-engineering, every year there are only 4-6 legit contender and even those team from 1 year to the next may change.
85% of the teams are always shuffling the deck to either address roster, tax penalties, acquire pic assets. And even with that probably 75% rinse and repeat in someway every year.

 

[BBert]

Cronin is a criminal

Yeah. A criminal GENIUS!

Only a true mastermind could make a move so baffling to further their pursuit of league domination. Mere mortals like you and other GMs won't see it coming!

Until it's too late.

Bwah-ha-ha!!

Ha-ha!

Ha.

 

[BBert]

Ran out of time? There was a week left lol

Exactly!

 

[BBert]

well that sucks for you....all he's done is rip off the first bandaid. I definitely want to see what Chauncey, Dame and Joe come up with over the offseason...we're not trying to win now so if that's what you wanted at the deadline...you'll be disappointed.

We need to lose now.

With this trade - Mission Accomplished!

Score one for Cronin.

 

[BBert]

I'm starting to get excited for our lottery pick.

Where dat thread at?

 

[Hoopguru]

If we traded Dame for a boatload of assets the trade would make some sense. Even if it still sucks.

Retooling with Dame......this deal makes zero sense.

Thats an option Im just not convinced they want to do that now, the recent verbal was we want to build around Dame and address roster positions.
From a business stand point when Joe meets with Bert and Jody they talk not just about roster challenges, contracts, trades but the importance of creating/maintaining a positive vibe synergy and playoffs contention each year as its what puts fans in stands and sponsor spending bucks. Jody may have given Joe the green do what it takes to address the major roster deals and if you can purge/shed some salary now maybe we will be able to hit jack pot with a legit all star type player. Once we have the guys we build around Dame with have more flexibility in extending our guys because you can go over the cap some.