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If the plan is to find a better (aka more expensive) four as well as to re-sign Ant and Nurk, sacrifices had to be made (this is probably what Cronin meant by taking a step back to move forward) If we got equal value in return talent wise, it would’ve likely been expensive and been more of a lateral move. It’s clear that the priority in this trade was to dump money to open up room for those other moves. We’ll see what those other moves are. If Cronin sacrifices Roco and Powell for a more dynamic power forward, or someone that fits better with Dame, I think that’s a trade off everyone would be fine with.
 
Scalma said:
If the plan is to find a better (aka more expensive) four as well as to re-sign Ant and Nurk, sacrifices had to be made (this is probably what Cronin meant by taking a step back to move forward) If we got equal value in return talent wise, it would’ve likely been expensive and been more of a lateral move. It’s clear that the priority in this trade was to dump money to open up room for those other moves. We’ll see what those other moves are. If Cronin sacrifices Roco and Powell for a more dynamic power forward, or someone that fits better with Dame, I think that’s a trade off everyone would be fine with.
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Yeah, i've calmed down a bit and we still have:
Dame
CJ
Nance
Anfernee
Jusuf
Nas

And the three new dudes.

Let's see what happens before Thursday
 
Wizard Mentor said:
He said "Cam Johnson" which gave me a flashback of Game of Zones and the team trading team thought they were getting Dillon Brooks but were actually getting Marshon Brooks.

Maybe Cronin thought he was getting Cam Johnson.:)
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That wasn’t just a Game of Zones joke. That really happened. It’s what they were making fun of.
 
Scalma said:
If the plan is to find a better (aka more expensive) four as well as to re-sign Ant and Nurk, sacrifices had to be made (this is probably what Cronin meant by taking a step back to move forward) If we got equal value in return talent wise, it would’ve likely been expensive and been more of a lateral move. It’s clear that the priority in this trade was to dump money to open up room for those other moves. We’ll see what those other moves are. If Cronin sacrifices Roco and Powell for a more dynamic power forward, or someone that fits better with Dame, I think that’s a trade off everyone would be fine with.
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absolutely, but the concern I expressed in my post was that this is LESS likely now. I still hope this happens.
 
Scalma said:
If the plan is to find a better (aka more expensive) four as well as to re-sign Ant and Nurk, sacrifices had to be made (this is probably what Cronin meant by taking a step back to move forward) If we got equal value in return talent wise, it would’ve likely been expensive and been more of a lateral move. It’s clear that the priority in this trade was to dump money to open up room for those other moves. We’ll see what those other moves are. If Cronin sacrifices Roco and Powell for a more dynamic power forward, or someone that fits better with Dame, I think that’s a trade off everyone would be fine with.
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I didn't want equal value in talent... I don't even mind "losing" a trade if it means achieving another goal or more importantly the fit makes the team better. I do mind getting completely fleeced and that's what happened today. There is absolutely no reason with the incredibly small amount of talent coming back that the second rounder wasn't a first or we get that second rounder and a future first as well. What's done is done I guess. Let's just hope that there's another trade or even two that make this trade make some sense.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
absolutely, but the concern I expressed in my post was that this is LESS likely now. I still hope this happens.
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I think it’s more likely, Dame (prob Billups too) wouldn’t sign off on a move like this unless there were a grander plan. It might not happen next week, but I’d be shocked if this was a one step move. And if it is you may as well just trade Dame and blow it up.
 
Scalma said:
I think it’s more likely, Dame (prob Billups too) wouldn’t sign off on a move like this unless there were a grander plan. It might not happen next week, but I’d be shocked if this was a one step move. And if it is you may as well just trade Dame and blow it up.
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It’s clearly not a stand alone transaction. It’s part of something else. Otherwise it makes no sense and even Cronin isn’t the best, he’s not an idiot trying to end his career.
 
Clearly Ant's play has made one of Powell/Cj expendable. Nas is obviously better than Roco/Powell playing the 3 spot. It's possible we get someone better at the 4 than Roco by trading CJ before the deadline. In fact I'd say it's probable.

Like most of the Board, I wanted CJ/Powell/Roco traded the minute Ant and Nas were ready, to balance the roster and improve us at the 4/5.

Today's meager return was just a major shock to the system after all our hopeful expectations

:cheers:
 
wizenheimer said:
what the fuck are you talking about?...wait...I know...it's straw man 101

name one person who 'complained' about Olshey stocking the roster with six players 6'3 and under who is happy with this trade. Name just one.

fuck Neil Olshey...he was a shit GM and the architect of this crappy unbalanced roster. Just because Cronin may very well be an idiot GM does not make Olshey a better one
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Danny Marang. Chad Doing. Aaron Fentress. Multiple people I know that you don't. Thankfully this forum is pretty smart.
 
calvin natt said:
It’s clearly not a stand alone transaction. It’s part of something else. Otherwise it makes no sense and even Cronin isn’t the best, he’s not an idiot trying to end his career.
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It just makes no sense because the Pelicans trade could've been wrapped into a deal that could've helped us accomplish exactly what Bledsoe's contract could. The only way that isn't the case is if another team overvalues Keon Johnson even more than we did.
 
LayneStaley said:
Honestly the trade does suck but I think this board will fall in love with Keon the way it has with Little. The guy needs playing time but his D could be elite. I’m a UK guy and watch a lot of SEC basketball and he stood out in the games I saw.
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He's a 6'3 guard with an 8'1 standing reach. This board loves Little because he's actually a forward. We don't need a project guard.
 
BBert said:
Clearly Ant's play has made one of Powell/Cj expendable. Nas is obviously better than Roco/Powell playing the 3 spot. It's possible we get someone better at the 4 than Roco by trading CJ before the deadline. In fact I'd say it's probable.

Like most of the Board, I wanted CJ/Powell/Roco traded the minute Ant and Nas were ready, to balance the roster and improve us at the 4/5.

Today's meager return was just a major shock to the system after all our hopeful expectations

:cheers:
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And, hopefully the best to come. But as I always do, expect the unexpected, and that did happen today. Question is what's next?
 
BonesJones said:
He's a 6'3 guard with an 8'1 standing reach. This board loves Little because he's actually a forward. We don't need a project guard.
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Simons was a project guard and that seems to be working out. We will see how the next couple months play out but the idea of building around Dame might not be feasible with the assets and contracts we have. It might be time to think about building around Simons, a lottery pick and the pieces from a Dame trade.
 
riverman said:
They are gearing up to pay Nurk and Ant....that's why this trade went down. Norm had an attractive contract to shop and CJ didn't. Roco everybody knew was gone...don't know much about the Clippers guys we got but Chauncey sure does.
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Except none of them played under Chauncey last year.
 
I hope so. We desperately need a guard who can defend.
 
LayneStaley said:
Simons was a project guard and that seems to be working out. We will see how the next couple months play out but the idea of building around Dame might not be feasible with the assets and contracts we have. It might be time to think about building around Simons, a lottery pick and the pieces from a Dame trade.
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Simons could actually shoot though. And he could handle the ball. He had offensive skill. This dude has no where close to the skillset Anfernee Simons had when he came into the league.

They're not trading Dame. You don't make moves to build around Simons and trade Dame BEFORE you trade Dame. And you don't trade Dame when he's injured or when his value is lower than it should be. There's absolutely no justification for this trade.
 
This thread is too long for me to read, but it is clear this deal ensures Portland can sign ant for a big deal going forward and gain a trade asset before the draft (bledsoe) - which they would not be able to do with roco.

It's a deal about the cap when dame is back from his injury. The 2nd and prospect are just an afterthought because the clips clearly got the better talent.

The mess neo left was not gonna be cleaned up in one trade...
 
Scalma said:
Throwing a hissy fit about a trade that was clearly a setup for other moves is like opening a book and stopping because you didn’t like the introduction.
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It's also more likely to be a sign of things to come. How many great books have shitty, 4th grade level intros exactly?
 
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