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MickZagger said:
Get over Biden, podnah.
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I'm just showing that hypocrisy lives on both sides of the political spectrum. To me, people should be going to jail for hiding Biden's mental capacity and he should be forced out NOW while the world burns in his wake.

But bIdEn Is BeTtEr ThAn TrUmP so it's excused.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I didn't say he's going to ruin the world. I said he's going to destroy America. He almost did it last time he was in power.

I also didn't say Joe Biden is a kind man.

You are attributing statements to my position that I haven't made. The fact that you have to do that leads me to believe that you understand how tedious your position is and just don't want to admit it.

And nobody gives a shit about Biden. They never have. He's a party tool. That's it.

I agree with you that the parties are bad. And they can result in a horrible evil taking control of this country.

Trump is that horrible evil. We must defeat him before we can turn our attention back to the parties. And then we must resolve the issue before the next Trump arises.
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I generally don't like to assign cartoonish labels to people. I don't know if Trump is evil. He's a garbage person. If he's evil, I would say Biden is evil. Different kinds but both evil. I think one can make the argument that Biden is actually worse. We need to burn both these parties to the ground instead of putting up with the seizure of our taxes to enrich them and the rest of the oligarchs.
 
AmirIcon said:
I generally don't like to assign cartoonish labels to people. I don't know if Trump is evil. He's a garbage person. If he's evil, I would say Biden is evil. Different kinds but both evil. I think one can make the argument that Biden is actually worse. We need to burn both these parties to the ground instead of putting up with the seizure of our taxes to enrich them and the rest of the oligarchs.
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So Trump is not in a party. This is a different level of evil. There's nothing cartoonish about that. This is Hitler this is Stalin this is a bad mother fucker. You can say that he's stupid or not as smart as the other two, but he has already had control over the greatest military power that's ever existed. He is smart enough.

There is no comparison between Biden and Trump. And nobody gives a flying fuck about Biden. I don't even know why you keep bringing him up. He's no longer relevant.
 
Phatguysrule said:
So Trump is not in a party. This is a different level of evil. There's nothing cartoonish about that. This is Hitler this is Stalin this is a bad mother fucker. You can say that he's stupid or not as smart as the other two, but he has already had control over the greatest military power that's ever existed. He is smart enough.

There is no comparison between Biden and Trump. And nobody gives a flying fuck about Biden. I don't even know why you keep bringing him up. He's no longer relevant.
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How the hell are you going to compare Hitler and Stalin, who killed millions of people, to a reality show host? WTF? This is the hyperbole that people are so sick of. Then when there's actual danger, they don't listen. It's nonsense. Joe Biden is LITERALLY the President of the free world RIGHT NOW. That's plenty relevant. And the world is burning on his watch.
 
Every president is a war criminal. Period. It reduces out of the equation for a lot of people when faced with a choice between candidates. All national level politicians, and most state level politicians, are war criminals through complicity. Again, table stakes in our political system. We are a colonizing force, an empire that put itself above the rest of the world, and does immense evil around the world.

All of this is a baseline for our political choices. Both candidates will commit unspeakable acts of cruelty to the world. Both will also do this to their own citizenry, but to greater or lesser extents. We are allowed to choose the one that hurts us less if both will hurt the world the same amount.

I think there are arguments to be made about the two foreign policies we have to choose from here, and Harris’s will not be better than Biden’s. But Trump’s will be worse than Biden’s.

It is demoralizing and shameful. But it is also a meaningful choice.
 
AmirIcon said:
How the hell are you going to compare Hitler and Stalin, who killed millions of people, to a reality show host? WTF? This is the hyperbole that people are so sick of. Then when there's actual danger, they don't listen. It's nonsense. Joe Biden is LITERALLY the President of the free world RIGHT NOW. That's plenty relevant. And the world is burning on his watch.
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Because Trump almost certainly WOULD kill millions of people if he could have.

You know what makes Hitler's acts such a tragedy? That Germany allowed it to happen. And even then, it took Hitler 12 years to kill that many people.

The US had just enough guardrails in place to prevent Trump from committing those acts and get rid of him after only 4 years. But he broke of LOT of those guardrails down.

Nobody is going to vote for Biden. There is no more lever we can use against him. He's lame duck. Irrelevant. Nobody gives a shit about him.

The world is where it would be regardless of which party were in power (with the exception of Trump). I'd argue it's better off than if republicans had the white house, but regardless, it's in a FAR better place than it was under Trump. Another four years would have made our current situation look like paradise. If you don't think Trump is that dangerous then you haven't been paying attention. That asshole wanted to turn the military against civilians. Another few years and he'd be rounding up brown people and LGBTQIA+. Russia would be attacking Romania and Poland by now.

Not a doubt in my mind.

*Edit* And Israel would be getting every bit of support from us that they are now, and probably far more.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Because Trump almost certainly WOULD kill millions of people if he could have.

You know what makes Hitler's acts such a tragedy? That Germany allowed it to happen. And even then, it took Hitler 12 years to kill that many people.

The US had just enough guardrails in place to prevent Trump from committing those acts and get rid of him after only 4 years. But he broke of LOT of those guardrails down.

Nobody is going to vote for Biden. There is no more lever we can use against him. He's lame duck. Irrelevant. Nobody gives a shit about him.

The world is where it would be regardless of which party were in power (with the exception of Trump). I'd argue it's better off than if republicans had the white house, but regardless, it's in a FAR better place than it was under Trump. Another four years would have made our current situation look like paradise. If you don't think Trump is that dangerous then you haven't been paying attention. That asshole wanted to turn the military against civilians. Another few years and he'd be rounding up brown people and LGBTQIA+. Russia would be attacking Romania and Poland by now.

Not a doubt in my mind.

*Edit* And Israel would be getting every bit of support from us that they are now, and probably far more.
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Trump would have handed Ukraine to Russia and Russia would indeed be encroaching into Eastern Europe because there would be no check there.

The war in the Middle East would still be happening except Palestine and Iran would be dust.

Biden and those in Congress/Senate who actually care about our international interests has handled Ukraine as about as well as they could have.

The middle east is a no win situation with Netanyahu not listening to our advice. The Biden administration has been trying to cool the Jets and get peace talks going, but Netanyahu wants war so he can stay in power.

The world if it is burning, is not burning because of Biden. It's burning less because of Biden.
 
Elon Musk is funding campaign ads aimed at Muslims in Michigan calling Kamala Harris and her husband Doug Emhoff America's premier pro Israel power couple. He is funding campaign ads aimed at Jews in Pennsylvania calling Kamala (mispronounced) Harris pro Palestinian and anti Israel.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Did he say this today? I know it was posted today, but if he said it today, it would be especially ironic because the Democratic mayor of Hamtranck, Michigan, the only city in America with a Muslim majority population, endorsed Trump today and gave him a certificate of appreciation.
 
AmirIcon said:
How the hell are you going to compare Hitler and Stalin, who killed millions of people, to a reality show host? WTF? This is the hyperbole that people are so sick of. Then when there's actual danger, they don't listen. It's nonsense. Joe Biden is LITERALLY the President of the free world RIGHT NOW. That's plenty relevant. And the world is burning on his watch.
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VOTE FOR LUCIFER!

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Hamas doesn't want a cease fire, why would they. The whole deal is about Iran not wanting a chance for peace with Israel, and their total annihilation. They dont want any Arab country entering an Abraham accord. Thats why they support and lead both Hamas and Hezbollah. I'st an all opt religious war with them, however, I think Iran's is going to lose their hold and there will be an alliance with Arab countries and Israel with a couple years. Just my own thoughts. These religious fanatics are going to be a thing of the past in do time.
 
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