OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: JULY 2024

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kjironman1 said:
WTF? And the Blazers are still not for sale right?
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Jody won't sell until Portland becomes a championship dynasty. The value of the Franchise will increase exponentially after the first 3 rings. It's simple logic, the Vulcans are preparing to go All-In to make that happen. Buy your season tickets today !!
 
THE HCP said:
GOD DAMN! Jason Tatum just got 315 MILLION dollars
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It's funny how Jaylen Brown got his extension first to become the highest paid player ever, and people suddenly took it for granted that he's the best player on the Celtics. Kidd said it during the playoffs, and whoever does the voting somewhat inexplicably agreed by awarding Brown Finals MVP. Will Tatum be considered their best player again next year, now that he got a bigger extension?
 
handiman said:
It's funny how Jaylen Brown got his extension first to become the highest paid player ever, and people suddenly took it for granted that he's the best player on the Celtics. Kidd said it during the playoffs, and whoever does the voting somewhat inexplicably agreed by awarding Brown Finals MVP. Will Tatum be considered their best player again next year, now that he got a bigger extension?
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I love Jaylen's game, absolutely love it but Tatum is the best player on that team, he is a far better offensive weapon and he just doesn't give up enough more on defense to make up that difference. Kidd was very obviously just trying to stir the pot. They are both great and Jaylen deserved the Finals MVP, I just think that the vast majority of the NBA watching world is correct in the assessment that Tatum is better.

We should be so lucky to have two guys at 26 and 27 who are both worthy of all nba spots.
 
blazerkor said:
They are both great and Jaylen deserved the Finals MVP...
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I disagree with that part. He had a few highlight dunks and blocks (but so did Tatum), but Holiday and White were consistently higher impact, and Porzingis and Tatum had much better individual games (1 and 5, respectively). It was a 3- or 4-way tie, and I believe the nod went to Brown because the narrative has been that he's their best player since signing the extension. Regardless, the MVP was, without a doubt, Doncic. He had five elite 2-way players focused on him on both ends of the court, and he still managed to be the best player out there for most of his minutes. It should have been a ballsier pick, either going to the loser or split among winners.
 
handiman said:
I disagree with that part. He had a few highlight dunks and blocks (but so did Tatum), but Holiday and White were consistently higher impact, and Porzingis and Tatum had much better individual games (1 and 5, respectively). It was a 3- or 4-way tie, and I believe the nod went to Brown because the narrative has been that he's their best player since signing the extension. Regardless, the MVP was, without a doubt, Doncic. He had five elite 2-way players focused on him on both ends of the court, and he still managed to be the best player out there for most of his minutes. It should have been a ballsier pick, either going to the loser or split among winners.
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Yeah, so you're the kind of person that wants to give the best player on the team who got beat in 5 games the MVP instead of someone on the team that won. Okay... cool deal.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, so you're the kind of person that wants to give the best player on the team who got beat in 5 games the MVP instead of someone on the team that won. Okay... cool deal.
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Most Valuable Player. It's a pretty easy call by the name of the award.

I also said it's that or split the award among three or four of the winners, but you conveniently left that out.
 
handiman said:
Most Valuable Player. It's a pretty easy call by the name of the award.

I also said it's that or split the award among three or four of the winners, but you conveniently left that out.
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Calling a player on a team who lost 4 of 5 games "most valuable" raises the question--if his team didn't win, how much value was there, really?

Splitting the award among three or four players is a weak cop-out.

Given the series stats, I'd probably have given it to Tatum over Brown, but their overall contributions were close enough (with Brown having significantly better shooting percentages) that him receiving the nod was completely reasonable.
 
handiman said:
Most Valuable Player. It's a pretty easy call by the name of the award.

I also said it's that or split the award among three or four of the winners, but you conveniently left that out.
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I happen to agree with you. No question Luka was the most valuable player to his team. Just because he didn’t have near the talent around him doesn’t erase that fact. Yes they lost in five but Luka kept them from getting blown out in four games.
I also happen to feel the award should be more available to co-winners.
Now there is plenty to be said for what both Brown and Tatum did. There is also plenty for Holiday to claim.
The team and players that win should get that credit.

it’s tough watching a player like Luka do so much and lose. Blazer fans are very used to it. Been watching it for 40+ years now.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Calling a player on a team who lost 4 of 5 games "most valuable" raises the question--if his team didn't win, how much value was there, really?
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They 100% wouldn't have been there without Luka, which you can't make a good case for with any single Celtic. I understand the reasons for not giving the award to a losing player, but this series was so extreme in that respect, it was well warranted.

kjironman1 said:
Now there is plenty to be said for what both Brown and Tatum did. There is also plenty for Holiday to claim.
The team and players that win should get that credit.
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That's the gist of my argument. Brown was no more deserving (and arguably less deserving) than several of his teammates. And I believe he won it purely on the basis of his mega-extension changing the perception of his value. A year ago, everyone knew Tatum's [bigger] extension was coming in a year, and no one that I can recall was talking about Brown as their best player.
 
handiman said:
They 100% wouldn't have been there without Luka, which you can't make a good case for with any single Celtic. I understand the reasons for not giving the award to a losing player, but this series was so extreme in that respect, it was well warranted.
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But it's not a "playoff" MVP award--it's specifically the finals. And in the finals, specifically, Luka's "value" only contributed to one victory. How much he did to get them there is irrelevant.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
But it's not a "playoff" MVP award--it's specifically the finals. And in the finals, specifically, Luka's "value" only contributed to one victory. How much he did to get them there is irrelevant.
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Yeah, that’s why it’s called the Finals MVP lol
 
PtldPlatypus said:
But it's not a "playoff" MVP award--it's specifically the finals. And in the finals, specifically, Luka's "value" only contributed to one victory. How much he did to get them there is irrelevant.
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You took the wording too literally and missed the overall point. Dallas is not remotely competitive without Luka. Boston is likely still the best team in the league without any one of their starters, including Brown.

I doubt there have been many Finals with such a disparity between teams in that regard, so precedent of the losing team hardly ever getting MVP isn't really relevant.
 
handiman said:
You took the wording too literally and missed the overall point. Dallas is not remotely competitive without Luka. Boston is likely still the best team in the league without any one of their starters, including Brown.

I doubt there have been many Finals with such a disparity between teams in that regard, so precedent of the losing team hardly ever getting MVP isn't really relevant.
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Lakers Magic
Spurs Cavs
 
How long until Stotts says peace out and leaves the Warriors and goes home ?? -- LOL - kidding ( kind of )
 
Interesting piece I just read. Stotts has been offered the Lakers coaching position three times and has turned it down every time.

The source is Anthony Irwin in case anyone wanted to know.
 
So LBJ just signed his max, does that mean a trade is their only way to improve now?
 
inconceivable said:
Lakers Magic
Spurs Cavs
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You got half the equation. Cavs (LeBron) and Magic (Dwight) match the Mavs (Luka) dependency on one player, but the Spurs and Lakers don't quite match this years Celtics in terms of no one player standing out and every starter being equally deserving of MVP.
 
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