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PtldPlatypus said:
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hope he's OK. 75 years old might be a bit too old to be an NBA HC

he's won more regular season games than any coach

total games: 3rd at 2215 (behind Lenny Wilkins at 2487 & Don Nelson at 2398)
reg season wins: 1st at 1391
total playoff games: 2nd at 284 (behind Phil Jackson at 333)
playoff wins: 3rd at 170 (behind Jackson 229 and Pat Riley 171)
conference championships: tied for 3rd at 6 (with Spoelstra & Kerr; behind Jackson at 11 and Riley 9)
NBA Chamionships: tied for 3rd at 5 (with Riley and John Kundla; behind Phil Jackson at 11 and Red Aurbach at 9)
 
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Cugel said:
How do any of those teams have the assets for Giannis? Even combined they don’t. Presti has them beat easily. He can lay down really good FRPs all day long if he wanted to. Smh
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I hear talk of 1st round picks and how important they are. Wouldn’t those OKC picks be like the 29th or 30th pick?
 
THIS^ game will be a fun watch tonight.
 
Cugel said:
How do any of those teams have the assets for Giannis? Even combined they don’t. Presti has them beat easily. He can lay down really good FRPs all day long if he wanted to. Smh
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But he won't. He's a pick hoarder - plus he got burned by trading for Paul George.
 
SwissBlazer said:
That is not true, sir. We traded the 2nd most favorable of Boston / Milwaukee and Portland. If Milwaukee is bad and Portland just half-bad, They will get our pick not Milwaukee's one.
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What if we're both bad. Or Boston has a down year once their in luxury tax hell and jumps like Atlanta. Certainly very possible two of those picks are high in the lottery.

If we got a good starter in the trade it's probably worth it. Problem is Deni looks more like Roco 2.0 than an answer of any starting spot.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
What if we're both bad. Or Boston has a down year once their in luxury tax hell and jumps like Atlanta. Certainly very possible two of those picks are high in the lottery.

If we got a good starter in the trade it's probably worth it. Problem is Deni looks more like Roco 2.0 than an answer of any starting spot.
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I'm holding on to the hope he's just having trouble adjusting to a new team and a new system, even if it's a remedial system. His numbers are jut so bad this season it makes that all seem possible

but it's also true this is his 5th season, and in the previous 4 seasons, he had one good season and 3 poor seasons....or at least 3 seasons that were far worse than his 'break-out' season. Was last season something of an aberration?

I'll say again, the Blazers paid a steep price for him. Two 1st's + two 2nd's + Brogdon is a steep price. Part of the return was a 7M TPE but does anybody really believe Seattle would allow Cronin to use that TPE? Or that Cronin would if he could?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
What if we're both bad. Or Boston has a down year once their in luxury tax hell and jumps like Atlanta. Certainly very possible two of those picks are high in the lottery.

If we got a good starter in the trade it's probably worth it. Problem is Deni looks more like Roco 2.0 than an answer of any starting spot.
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My problem was that we didn't even know what we had. Why are we trading for pieces to round out the roster when we don't even know who our best players are?
 
Zach Edey played 29 minutes. Clingan's high was 14:26 until 16 minutes tonight

is Edey in better shape than Clingan?
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm holding on to the hope he's just having trouble adjusting to a new team and a new system, even if it's a remedial system. His numbers are jut so bad this season it makes that all seem possible

but it's also true this is his 5th season, and in the previous 4 seasons, he had one good season and 3 poor seasons....or at least 3 seasons that were far worse than his 'break-out' season. Was last season something of an aberration?

I'll say again, the Blazers paid a steep price for him. Two 1st's + two 2nd's + Brogdon is a steep price. Part of the return was a 7M TPE but does anybody really believe Seattle would allow Cronin to use that TPE? Or that Cronin would if he could?
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Any TPE is nearly worthless. I'd rather have a top50 protected 2nd round pick.

The 2024 pick we sent out I'm fine with, was such a weak draft. The 2029 pick is the one big asset you list with a potentially significant cost.

Also the Blazers being so far away from contending just makes the Deni acquisition perplexing. We don't have a need for a role player on a cheap contract like a contender does the next 4 years. Or at least we shouldn't if were not trying to retain the Grant/Ayton/Ant trio. Would be better if we had more draft picks and playing time for Rupert/Murray/Banton/etc.

Now if Cronin was gambling Deni could play well and increase his worth even more to flip somewhere else that might be a good strategy. Just doesn't seem like he has a track record of ever doing that type of maneuver.
 
Phatguysrule said:
My problem was that we didn't even know what we had. Why are we trading for pieces to round out the roster when we don't even know who our best players are?
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Yeah that's an excellent point. What if our two best players end up being forwards and we don't need a Deni type for more than a 13mpg bench role. Stupid to trade away a potential #2 overall pick for that.

Seems like Cronin was trying to get the best role player to fit with a Grant/Ayton/Ant big3. If he's really trying to build our roster around that trio he's dumber than I thought.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah that's an excellent point. What if our two best players end up being forwards and we don't need a Deni type for more than a 13mpg bench role. Stupid to trade away a potential #2 overall pick for that.

Seems like Cronin was trying to get the best role player to fit with a Grant/Ayton/Ant big3. If he's really trying to build our roster around that trio he's dumber than I thought.
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Yeah, that's when I started worrying... Unless he was some kind of hidden superstar. And that doesn't appear to be the case...
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah that's an excellent point. What if our two best players end up being forwards and we don't need a Deni type for more than a 13mpg bench role. Stupid to trade away a potential #2 overall pick for that.

Seems like Cronin was trying to get the best role player to fit with a Grant/Ayton/Ant big3. If he's really trying to build our roster around that trio he's dumber than I thought.
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has there really been any signal at all that's not what Cronin is trying to do?

yeah, I know the rumors about him supposedly shopping Grant. But those rumors were always about him demanding two 1st round picks. That seems like a way to effectively make Grant untouchable because I find it next to impossible to believe any team would send two firsts for Grant, especially the Lakers. About the only team with a recent track record of sending out two first round picks for an average role player like Grant is.....Portland

last night's game against the Pels: Simons-Ayton-Grant took 46 of Portland's 84 shots (55%) and scored 59 of Portland's 118 points (half). Now, the Pels were so depleted by injury and so worn out by a back-to-back in the 4th Q, even without major contributions from those 3 vets the Blazers might have won. Still, this is one of those games when the Blazers rode the backs of those 3 vets to a pointless win that could damage their lottery chances in 7 months

what is happening this season makes no sense to me, but maybe I'm blind to the upside of a Simons-Ayton-Grant big-3
 
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