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PtldPlatypus said:
Several schools, even "elite" programs retain regular OOC home-and-home series'. Florida-FSU; Georgia-GA Tech; Clemson-South Carolina; USC-Notre Dame. I think it would be great to add a continuing UO-OSU matchup to that list. Some things are worth more than potential playoffs appearances.
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And I would push back that playing Oregon St on an annual basis would have a negative impact on potential playoff appearances.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Several schools, even "elite" programs retain regular OOC home-and-home series'. Florida-FSU; Georgia-GA Tech; Clemson-South Carolina; USC-Notre Dame. I think it would be great to add a continuing UO-OSU matchup to that list. Some things are worth more than potential playoffs appearances.
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I don't agree, and the chatter about what other schools do isn't going to change my mind that Oregon continuing the annual home-and-home with OSU is a bad decision

but look at your list...you named 8 schools and every single one is in a Power-4 conference (since the PAC is dead and won't be part of a Power-5 next season). Which gets to one of my points: that being that If Florida beats FSU or USC beats Notre Dame, they get full credit for beating another Power program. And if they lose they get credit for playing the game and losing to a Power program. That is nowhere close to the same as beating a MWC team; and losing to one is something a team will be unlikely to recover from unless they run the table.

If you don't think that's true you need to read the criteria the CFP uses to determine playoff ranking. By the way, in the SOS rankings (which is one of the factors the CFP uses as a gauge) the ranking of MWC teams, out of 131 teams:

Boise State Broncos 79
San José State Spartans 87
San Diego State Aztecs 104
Utah State Aggies 109
Hawai’i Rainbow Warriors 110
UNLV Rebels 111
Colorado State Rams 114
New Mexico Lobos 117
Nevada Wolf Pack 118
Fresno State Bulldogs 119
New Mexico State Aggies 127
Air Force Falcons 129

again, out of 131 teams. There is very little playoff ranking gravity in beating one of those teams

there is almost no upside, at all, for a team in a Power conference to play an annual home-and-home with a non-Power program, only downside. And the Big-10 schedule is going to be difficult enough without having 10 of the 15 OOC games over the next 5 years be against OSU, Texas Tech, Ok. State, and Baylor

now I don't know what Oregon and OSU are talking about. If it's continuing the series indefinitely. Or games every 3 or 4 years. Or what. I do know that Boise State had agreed to 3 games with 2 being in Eugene, the 1st and 3rd. I doubt that OSU would agree to that, especially with this year's game in Eugene
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't agree, and the chatter about what other schools do isn't going to change my mind that Oregon continuing the annual home-and-home with OSU is a bad decision

but look at your list...you named 8 schools and every single one is in a Power-4 conference (since the PAC is dead and won't be part of a Power-5 next season). Which gets to one of my points: that being that If Florida beats FSU or USC beats Notre Dame, they get full credit for beating another Power program. And if they lose they get credit for playing the game and losing to a Power program. That is nowhere close to the same as beating a MWC team; and losing to one is something a team will be unlikely to recover from unless they run the table.

If you don't think that's true you need to read the criteria the CFP uses to determine playoff ranking. By the way, in the SOS rankings (which is one of the factors the CFP uses as a gauge) the ranking of MWC teams, out of 131 teams:

Boise State Broncos 79
San José State Spartans 87
San Diego State Aztecs 104
Utah State Aggies 109
Hawai’i Rainbow Warriors 110
UNLV Rebels 111
Colorado State Rams 114
New Mexico Lobos 117
Nevada Wolf Pack 118
Fresno State Bulldogs 119
New Mexico State Aggies 127
Air Force Falcons 129

again, out of 131 teams. There is very little playoff ranking gravity in beating one of those teams

there is almost no upside, at all, for a team in a Power conference to play an annual home-and-home with a non-Power program, only downside. And the Big-10 schedule is going to be difficult enough without having 10 of the 15 OOC games over the next 5 years be against OSU, Texas Tech, Ok. State, and Baylor

now I don't know what Oregon and OSU are talking about. If it's continuing the series indefinitely. Or games every 3 or 4 years. Or what. I do know that Boise State had agreed to 3 games with 2 being in Eugene, the 1st and 3rd. I doubt that OSU would agree to that, especially with this year's game in Eugene
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How good is OSU really gonna be if they drop out of power 5? There’s no way they’re gonna have even the same level of recruits that they have now. Jonathan Smith would have to be a saint to stay if they end up in the MWC.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How good is OSU really gonna be if they drop out of power 5? There’s no way they’re gonna have even the same level of recruits that they have now. Jonathan Smith would have to be a saint to stay if they end up in the MWC.
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obviously, it's unknown how good OSU will be 2-5 years from now. They might dominate the MWC like Boise State used to do. But Boise State hasn't really been nationally relevant since the Chris Peterson days more than a decade ago. They were 12-2 in 2019 and finished ranked only 23rd. The last time Boise State was ranked in the top-10 was 2011 when they finished 12-1 and were ranked 8th. The gravity and power of media contracts caught up to Boise State. Making 4M/year off a media deal is a killer when the cut-off line for a Power Conference team is above 30M.

And the power and influence of CFP criteria has a big impact as well. The MWC routinely has by far the most anemic SOS's and by far the fewest marquee match-ups. That's a tough recruiting sell

maybe Smith will be unusual and decide to be a lifer at OSU. I'm skeptical because he's only 44 and seems pretty ambitious. I mean, he's making a bit under 5M at OSU. What would he say if UCLA offered him 6-7M/year with the exposure of coaching a Big-10 schedule? He was born and raised in the Pasadena area.

it will be interesting to follow OSU's transfer portal activity over the next half year. I think a lot of people are anticipating that OSU will be losing talent to the portal. If the losses are significant, that would probably influence Smith's decision to leave or stay. And currently, according to 247's composite rating, OSU ranks 60th in the 2024 recruiting class. They could be losing 4 starters on the OLine and 7 senior starters from the defense, with 3-4 other seniors in the 2-deep on defense. That's a lot to lose and the options for maintaining current talent level seem really limited

obviously, OSU is counting on a lot of money from the dissolution of the Pac-12 and hoping that keeps their heads above water for a few years. But those kinds of financial factors aren't going to matter to talent
 
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this is another thing I'm not sure is actually true:



but if it is, the Power-4 conferences will be hogging even more talent and the transfer portal will be a one-way street
 
rumor from the 247 Michigan St. site if that it's down to two candidates: Smith and Arizona's Jedd Fisch

again, I have no clue if it's bullshit speculation or smoke signalling a fire

probably means it's Elko
 
Canzano interviewed Jonathon Smith today and asked him about the rumors and his intentions. An excerpt:

“Canzano: What do you say to Oregon State fans who are nervous about losing you? "They can be confident I'm completely focused on the task at hand. (They can be) confident that we're battling, week in and week out and that has not changed. There has not been some distraction on that. I think it's known what this place means and what I've done and been around here and I think that speaks for itself." Does that mean that you have not had contact with other schools? "I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I've got an agent that's got a job. He best be finding out what is out there and people calling. That's how that works. I can tell you from his side he best be working just because I'm paying him so much. They get a percentage and I'm making him a couple million bucks. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. Any coach, they're aware of what's potentially out there if their agent is doing their job. I'm not trying to dodge the question. I'm trying to be truthful."

with the widely reported news that he has had at least one interview with MSU, maybe a 2nd one, it's pretty evident he's looking around and his agent has instructions to be proactive and aggressive

there's more in the interview. I won't link anything from Canzano though

all this does not mean he'll leave OSU. But he's definitely testing the market. I think if UCLA fired Chip and offered Smith the job he'd be gone immediately. Michigan State is probably a tougher pull, but going by MSU's history, Smith would be a very good fit there
 
wizenheimer said:
Canzano interviewed Jonathon Smith today and asked him about the rumors and his intentions. An excerpt:

“Canzano: What do you say to Oregon State fans who are nervous about losing you? "They can be confident I'm completely focused on the task at hand. (They can be) confident that we're battling, week in and week out and that has not changed. There has not been some distraction on that. I think it's known what this place means and what I've done and been around here and I think that speaks for itself." Does that mean that you have not had contact with other schools? "I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I've got an agent that's got a job. He best be finding out what is out there and people calling. That's how that works. I can tell you from his side he best be working just because I'm paying him so much. They get a percentage and I'm making him a couple million bucks. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. Any coach, they're aware of what's potentially out there if their agent is doing their job. I'm not trying to dodge the question. I'm trying to be truthful."

with the widely reported news that he has had at least one interview with MSU, maybe a 2nd one, it's pretty evident he's looking around and his agent has instructions to be proactive and aggressive

there's more in the interview. I won't link anything from Canzano though

all this does not mean he'll leave OSU. But he's definitely testing the market. I think if UCLA fired Chip and offered Smith the job he'd be gone immediately. Michigan State is probably a tougher pull, but going by MSU's history, Smith would be a very good fit there
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He sounds exactly like Cristobal and Taggert.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He sounds exactly like Cristobal and Taggert.
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I don't know about that...he explicitly admitted his agent is out there testing the market. Mario and Willie weren't that honest

but he did sound like somebody with one foot out of the door. Now he said more in the interview than that excerpt but a lot of it was similar. And the one time he talked about having confidence in OSU's direction it was clearly welded to OSU getting major money from the dissolution of the Pac-12. That's a strange and temporary horse to hitch a wagon to
 
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https://footballscoop.com/news/mich...-head-coach-jonathan-smith-sources-top-target


by the way, I'm posting Smith rumors and news in this thread because I imagine it would be unwelcome in the Beaver forum coming from a Duck fan

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by the way, there's growing chatter that Kalen Deboer will be the new coach at Texas A&M if Washington loses one of the two games in the next 10 days. Rumor is A&M won't wait a month for Deboer to coach UofW in the playoffs. They'd go with either Elko or Fisch instead
 
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even with all the smoke about MSU, I wouldn't assume that Smith will leave OSU for that job. He's looking around for sure, but he'd be going to a state, and region, as a coach, for the first time

UCLA might have an opening and if they do, I'd bet Smith would be a lot more interested in that job. But I'd wonder if UCLA would go after Jedd Fisch

or how about Deboer-->A&M/Fisch-->UCLA/Smith-->UofW?
 
wizenheimer said:
even with all the smoke about MSU, I wouldn't assume that Smith will leave OSU for that job. He's looking around for sure, but he'd be going to a state, and region, as a coach, for the first time

UCLA might have an opening and if they do, I'd bet Smith would be a lot more interested in that job. But I'd wonder if UCLA would go after Jedd Fisch

or how about Deboer-->A&M/Fisch-->UCLA/Smith-->UofW?
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or USC...........he grew up close by and was a trojan fan. I know Riley has been rumored to be interested in NFL? might be bs though.......
 
Hoopguru said:
or USC...........he grew up close by and was a trojan fan. I know Riley has been rumored to be interested in NFL? might be bs though.......
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Riley might be interested in the NFL but I'd be surprised if any NFL teams were interested in him

I think Smith & Deboer would both be better NFL head coaches than Riley. And if Riley did leave USC they'd be aiming a lot higher than Smith
 
wizenheimer said:
even with all the smoke about MSU, I wouldn't assume that Smith will leave OSU for that job. He's looking around for sure, but he'd be going to a state, and region, as a coach, for the first time

UCLA might have an opening and if they do, I'd bet Smith would be a lot more interested in that job. But I'd wonder if UCLA would go after Jedd Fisch

or how about Deboer-->A&M/Fisch-->UCLA/Smith-->UofW?
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Smith in UCLA or USC would be scary. Or, honestly, Washington if Deboer leaves.

I bet Smith is gone after this season. I don't think OSU can hold on to him outside of a power conference...
 
Oregon has an incredibly deep and star studded 2024 recruiting class set to commit during the early signing period Dec. 20-22. The deepest and highest rated position group is DLine with 5 guys all rated in the rivals top 200 overall prospects. For the Beaver game a potential 6th is visiting, 6'3 320 true NT Jericho Johnson of California.



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Lewis is the worst kicker I can remember on this team. Worse than Maldonado.
 
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