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kjironman1 said:
Weird? I see this as just the opposite. They needed to win that game. This looks like a total collapse. Seems to me they will lose most of if not everything they built? Now going to a conference where they will be exposed for a mediocre team that played in a weak conference. Now the Huskies are a different story. When players are asked who they want to play for on the west coast? It won't be the Ducks in Eugene. It will be the Huskies in Seattle.
This was a very bad loss at a time when they needed to right the mistakes their coach made last game vs the Huskies. The Ducks look weak. Very Very Weak.
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The brand will live on. Its fine.
 
Strenuus said:
The brand will live on. Its fine.
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The Brand? Ha Ha ha that makes it so much better.
My Alma Mater is pretty much gone and the other Oregon School has a nice "Brand".
This season has really been pretty bleak.
 
kjironman1 said:
Weird? I see this as just the opposite. They needed to win that game. This looks like a total collapse. Seems to me they will lose most of if not everything they built? Now going to a conference where they will be exposed for a mediocre team that played in a weak conference. Now the Huskies are a different story. When players are asked who they want to play for on the west coast? It won't be the Ducks in Eugene. It will be the Huskies in Seattle.
This was a very bad loss at a time when they needed to right the mistakes their coach made last game vs the Huskies. The Ducks look weak. Very Very Weak.
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Why do you say this?

Oregon has the stronger brand.

Superior resources/NIL.

Superior recruiters on staff.
 
kjironman1 said:
Interesting response. There is that word "Brand" again.
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Because brand matters - in recruiting - in conference realignment.

LeBron James kids were wearing Ducks stuff at one point because of the “BRAND”.

Interesting LACK of response on your end.
 
I can’t stand UW probably more than any other college sports teams.

Their coach seems likable though.
 
kjironman1 said:
Weird? I see this as just the opposite. They needed to win that game. This looks like a total collapse. Seems to me they will lose most of if not everything they built? Now going to a conference where they will be exposed for a mediocre team that played in a weak conference. Now the Huskies are a different story. When players are asked who they want to play for on the west coast? It won't be the Ducks in Eugene. It will be the Huskies in Seattle.
This was a very bad loss at a time when they needed to right the mistakes their coach made last game vs the Huskies. The Ducks look weak. Very Very Weak.
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LOL...geeeeezuzzz...are you channeling Digital Dam and John Canzano? Are you suffering from deranged-beaver syndrome?

Oregon was 'doomed', doomed they said....after Chip Kelly left. But in the 10 non-Covid years since that happened, Oregon won 10 or more games 6 times and 11 or more games 4 times. They won 4 Pac-12 championships and 2 Rose Bowls. Oregon finished 10th in the Pac-12 in 2016 with a 4-8 record, then fired the coach. 3 years later in 2019, they won the Pac-12, the Rose Bowl, and had a 12-2 record, and the Willie Taggart fiasco was part of that 3 year rebuild

if you honestly believe the game last night is going to alter the trajectories of recruiting, you don't know much about recruiting. That's not how it works and it's not how it has ever worked. The outcome of a game doesn't do that. Just about every recruit out there has experienced a difficult loss. They understand the reality.

the last time Washington won the Pac-12 was 2018; Oregon finished 4th. In the 3 recruiting cycles following that, Oregon finished first in the Pac-12 in recruiting rankings all three years. Washington finished 2nd, 2nd, and 4th. In the current cycle's recruiting rankings, 247 lists Oregon & Washington in the Big-10, along with USC/UCLA. Here's the current year's Big-10 ranking:

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now those will shift, a little, between now and the two NLI days...they always do. But Washington isn't going to catapult way up while Oregon sinks way down. Kids who have developed relationships with coaches and schools aren't going to suddenly say "loser' and flip their commitment from Oregon to Washington. For chrissakes, right now, Rutgers is out-recruiting Washington

Nope...it isn't a high profile loss that alters recruiting. It's the loss of coaches; head coaches and assistant coaches. Oregon had Dante Moore committed for months last year. But when Kenny Dillingham left for ASU, Moore flipped to UCLA. And guess what, he's in the transfer portal now (or will be in two days)

Kalen Deboer is a great coach; and an average recruiter. He caught lightning in a bottle with Penix and the Washington receivers; and his system exploited the biggest weakness the last 2 season of the Oregon defense and that is the Duck safeties. No excuse...in 13 months Washington beat the Ducks by 3 in Eugene, 3 in seattle, and 3 in Vegas. It's a small hump that Oregon was unable to get over. Kudos to the Huskies. Oregon has a Washingto problem right now. But they had an even bigger Washington problem in the 80's and 90's. Then, they won 12 in a row, and 16 of 18 against the Huskies

Oregon will be fine; just have to process the latest failure
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...geeeeezuzzz...are you channeling Digital Dam and John Canzano? Are you suffering from deranged-beaver syndrome?

Oregon was 'doomed', doomed they said....after Chip Kelly left. But in the 10 non-Covid years since that happened, Oregon won 10 or more games 6 times and 11 or more games 4 times. They won 4 Pac-12 championships and 2 Rose Bowls. Oregon finished 10th in the Pac-12 in 2016 with a 4-8 record, then fired the coach. 3 years later in 2019, they won the Pac-12, the Rose Bowl, and had a 12-2 record, and the Willie Taggart fiasco was part of that 3 year rebuild

if you honestly believe the game last night is going to alter the trajectories of recruiting, you don't know much about recruiting. That's not how it works and it's not how it has ever worked. The outcome of a game doesn't do that. Just about every recruit out there has experienced a difficult loss. They understand the reality.

the last time Washington won the Pac-12 was 2018; Oregon finished 4th. In the 3 recruiting cycles following that, Oregon finished first in the Pac-12 in recruiting rankings all three years. Washington finished 2nd, 2nd, and 4th. In the current cycle's recruiting rankings, 247 lists Oregon & Washington in the Big-10, along with USC/UCLA. Here's the current year's Big-10 ranking:

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now those will shift, a little, between now and the two NLI days...they always do. But Washington isn't going to catapult way up while Oregon sinks way down. Kids who have developed relationships with coaches and schools aren't going to suddenly say "loser' and flip their commitment from Oregon to Washington. For chrissakes, right now, Rutgers is out-recruiting Washington

Nope...it isn't a high profile loss that alters recruiting. It's the loss of coaches; head coaches and assistant coaches. Oregon had Dante Moore committed for months last year. But when Kenny Dillingham left for ASU, Moore flipped to UCLA. And guess what, he's in the transfer portal now (or will be in two days)

Kalen Deboer is a great coach; and an average recruiter. He caught lightning in a bottle with Penix and the Washington receivers; and his system exploited the biggest weakness the last 2 season of the Oregon defense and that is the Duck safeties. No excuse...in 13 months Washington beat the Ducks by 3 in Eugene, 3 in seattle, and 3 in Vegas. It's a small hump that Oregon was unable to get over. Kudos to the Huskies. Oregon has a Washingto problem right now. But they had an even bigger Washington problem in the 80's and 90's. Then, they won 12 in a row, and 16 of 18 against the Huskies

Oregon will be fine; just have to process the latest failure
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This post made me not as sad.

Thank you.
 
Oregon's Bo Nix emotional after loss, 'no idea' on bowl status

LAS VEGAS -- Oregon quarterback Bo Nix knew the question was coming, but he hadn't allowed himself a chance to think about a response. He was still processing a game and possibly a season and five-year college football career coming to an abrupt end with a 34-31 loss to Washington in the Pac-12 championship.

A decision on whether he would play in the Ducks' upcoming bowl game would have to wait.

"Can we just enjoy the moment right now and enjoy our season?" Nix asked. "That's not today's decision. I have no idea."

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...emotional-loss-washington-no-idea-bowl-status
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Oregon's Bo Nix emotional after loss, 'no idea' on bowl status

LAS VEGAS -- Oregon quarterback Bo Nix knew the question was coming, but he hadn't allowed himself a chance to think about a response. He was still processing a game and possibly a season and five-year college football career coming to an abrupt end with a 34-31 loss to Washington in the Pac-12 championship.

A decision on whether he would play in the Ducks' upcoming bowl game would have to wait.

"Can we just enjoy the moment right now and enjoy our season?" Nix asked. "That's not today's decision. I have no idea."

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...emotional-loss-washington-no-idea-bowl-status
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I have no problem if he doesn't play and it would be nice to see what Ty Thompson looks like leading the team for a bowl game.
 
kjironman1 said:
Weird? I see this as just the opposite. They needed to win that game. This looks like a total collapse. Seems to me they will lose most of if not everything they built? Now going to a conference where they will be exposed for a mediocre team that played in a weak conference. Now the Huskies are a different story. When players are asked who they want to play for on the west coast? It won't be the Ducks in Eugene. It will be the Huskies in Seattle.
This was a very bad loss at a time when they needed to right the mistakes their coach made last game vs the Huskies. The Ducks look weak. Very Very Weak.
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Yeah, I pretty much disagree with everything you're projecting moving forward.

The recruiting rankings for the next two seasons do not suggest players are wanting to go to Washington instead of Oregon moving forward. DeBoer didn't recruit any of their current elite players out of HS. You could've said the same thing about Helfrich after year two as you are saying about DeBoer.

When you look at the returning offensive and defensive line talent, Oregon is WAY ahead of Washington. They're pretty close to Ohio St, Michigan, and Penn St in regards to young talent in the trenches. Oregon will be in the top third in the trenches in the B1G next year. Washington will not.

Losing by 3 points to a team that had 29 5th and 6th year seniors playing this season, when Oregon had the 4th youngest roster in college football, isn't some crazy deal to me. Yes, I expect Oregon to take a dip because it'll be hard to replace Nix, Franklin, Dorlus, and Burch. Washington also will be having to replace Penix, Odunze, McMillan, Trice, ZTF, and others.

I'd gladly bet anyone that Oregon will win more games than Washington next season and I'd double that bet for the 2025 and 2026 seasons.
 
I listen to several Duck podcasts and they broke it down pretty well.

Oregon was just beaten soundly. We lost some key defensive guys, but that doesn't excuse the poor play on offense.

The biggest coaching mistake of the game was sticking with Bucky. I don't know if he's hurt, but James was CLEARLY outplaying him and everyone knew it. The various media members were perplexed about why they kept going to him. It's almost like we were so focused on getting Bo the Heisman that we stopped going to the run, which is what got us here in the first place.

One pod thinks we need to focus on our safeties specifically going into next year.
 
The two things that really lost us this game:

1. We could not stop the run.

2. We should have gone to James more.

Obviously Bo didn't have a great game, but our inability to contain Johnson and get our own running game going was the difference between winning and losing.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The two things that really lost us this game:

1. We could not stop the run.

2. We should have gone to James more.

Obviously Bo didn't have a great game, but our inability to contain Johnson and get our own running game going was the difference between winning and losing.
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3. #7 is booty cheeks
 
Did the Ducks have injuries on their lines? That was their biggest issue imo. They couldn’t get pressure on Penix and they couldn’t run or stop the run consistently.
 
tlongII said:
Did the Ducks have injuries on their lines? That was their biggest issue imo. They couldn’t get pressure on Penix and they couldn’t run or stop the run consistently.
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Jordan Burch left the game in the 1st Q and I never saw him return. What has made Oregon's DLine so good in the 2nd half of the season was Dorlus on one side and Burch on the other. from what I saw, for the most part, was the Washington RB's running to the side of the defense that Dorlus wasn't on
 
2024 QB Michael Van Buren de-commited from the Ducks today, but this was something that I'm told Oregon expected, and maybe even encouraged.
 
The secondary needs to improve 1 on 1 coverage. Just my opinion....
 
Hoopguru said:
The secondary needs to improve 1 on 1 coverage. Just my opinion....
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Washington has some receivers who will be playing on Sunday, but the Ducks were down one starting CB to injury (Florence) while the other (Jackson) was playing through injury which didn't help the cause.

STOMP
 
tlongII said:
Did the Ducks have injuries on their lines? That was their biggest issue imo. They couldn’t get pressure on Penix and they couldn’t run or stop the run consistently.
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They lost Burch in the first quarter and he has been huge this season.
 
wizenheimer said:
2024 QB Michael Van Buren de-commited from the Ducks today, but this was something that I'm told Oregon expected, and maybe even encouraged.
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Rumor is that Cam Ward is coming to Eugene but I guess we'll see.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rumor is that Cam Ward is coming to Eugene but I guess we'll see.
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yeah, that's a rumor at there, but I'm guessing this is an NIL bidding war and Ward will go to the highest bidder

besides that, I doubt a senior arriving in the transfer portal is a reason for a HS QB to de-commit. Keep in mind that Van Buren was benched by his coach for part of the season. And as I alluded, from what I've heard, and read, I think this was probably a mutual decision. Oregon is well over the 85 scholarship limit so I'd expect there will be a lot more news like Van Buren and Crozart
 
Predator said:
Because brand matters - in recruiting - in conference realignment.

LeBron James kids were wearing Ducks stuff at one point because of the “BRAND”.

Interesting LACK of response on your end.
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Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year. Face the facts. The “Brand” took a huge hit this year.
 
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