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[Tince]

Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year. Face the facts. The “Brand” took a huge hit this year.

How have you come to the determination "the 'brand' took a huge hit this year."?

Not from recruiting rankings, not from viewership, and not from the amount of attention the program received nationally, and not by their record.

 

[Strenuus]

Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year. Face the facts. The “Brand” took a huge hit this year.

No it didn't. Lol. Not in the slightest.

Brand endures. Look at Texas. They can suck for years but they have a brand.

Brands in this generation endure because it's more about who you rep than if they win. They have cool jerseys? I still want to go there.

Different generation. Brand endures losing. It doesn't make sense to me either and I think it's lame, but it's how it is now.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year. Face the facts. The “Brand” took a huge hit this year.

Losing to the #3 team in the country twice by under a touchdown combined is a big hit to the brand?

I don't think so

 

[kjironman1]

In a Ducks thread you obviously don’t want to say anything negative about the Ducks.
Hope they can win an important game next year?
I’m not convinced at this point.

 

[Natebishop3]

So was the brand going to take a hit unless we won the natty?

We only lost to one team. It happens. Couldn't get past them. Otherwise we finished the season 11-1 and a loss in the PAC championship. Hopefully we do well in the bowl but not sure without Nix.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

In a Ducks thread you obviously don’t want to say anything negative about the Ducks.
Hope they can win an important game next year?
I’m not convinced at this point.

No way. You are fine. But I have to say, I disagree with you to. The brand has been on the rise for a couple years and they haven't won. Last year they didn't win, but this year was a better recruiting year than last. Oregon didn't have go win to have LBJs kids in on Oregon.

If what you say is true, then ALL 4 & 5 star recruits would be at Georgia, Ohio St, Clemson and Bama and that's far from the case.

 

[AldoTrapani]

I can’t stand UW probably more than any other college sports teams.

Their coach seems likable though.

Whata crazy they’re on the verge of a national championship before us. Who would ever thought that

 

[kjironman1]

If what you say is true, then ALL 4 & 5 star recruits would be at Georgia, Ohio St, Clemson and Bama and that's far from the case.

There are a lot of recruits. Georgia Bama and Ohio State can only have so many and still give them Playing time. Eventually there will be players wanting to go to a successful school. I’m not saying Oregon isn’t successful. They will get their players but everyone must admit winning helps recruiting. Personally I think Marcus Mariota winning the Heisman did more for Oregon than any coach ever did. Consistently the Ducks have a QB in the conversation through a number of coaches.

 

[Predator]

Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year. Face the facts. The “Brand” took a huge hit this year.

You’re right.

Alabama and Ohio State have completely destroyed their brand over the last couple years.

 

[kjironman1]

You’re right.

Alabama and Ohio State have completely destroyed their brand over the last couple years.

So explain to me how Alabama winning multiple National Championships has destroyed their Brand and exactly how you want to put the Ducks even remotely in the same class as the Crimson Tide?
Please please I’m waiting to be entertained.

 

[Strenuus]

Duke and Kentucky can have down years and they will still get 5 star kids for basketball.

It's the brand. The brand will outweigh losses.

Unless you're Nebraska.

 

[Tince]

In a Ducks thread you obviously don’t want to say anything negative about the Ducks.
Hope they can win an important game next year?
I’m not convinced at this point.

Why don't you directly answer some of the questions you've been asked?

Nothing wrong with saying Oregon fell short, has areas to improve, etc. The push back you're getting is because you're making fairly large claims without really backing it up.

 

[Tince]

Georgia's brand is getting distroyed right now. They'll never recover from this.

 

[kjironman1]

Duke and Kentucky can have down years and they will still get 5 star kids for basketball.

It's the brand. The brand will outweigh losses.

Unless you're Nebraska.

See now this is funny. Again Duke and Kentucky have won Championships. Nebraska has won a championship. Oregon which nationally speaking and as far as location relevance is on par with Nebraska has won nothing.

 

[kjironman1]

Georgia's brand is getting distroyed right now. They'll never recover from this.

But what exactly is happening to Alabamas brand?
That’s why I laughed out loud literally when the original response said their “Brand” will be fine.

 

[Tince]

But what exactly is happening to Alabamas brand?
That’s why I laughed out loud literally when the original response said their “Brand” will be fine.

Nothing significant is happening with any programs "brand" in one conference championship game where a 12-0 or 11-1 team lose to each other It's silliness. When this game ends, both program will be viewed as elite national brands.

 

[Predator]

So explain to me how Alabama winning multiple National Championships has destroyed their Brand and exactly how you want to put the Ducks even remotely in the same class as the Crimson Tide?
Please please I’m waiting to be entertained.

YOU said: "Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year."

Ohio State hasn't won a natty in 10 years and has frequently lost to Michigan lately.

Alabama has lost for the last 3ish years, mostly to Georgia.

So, as you said, "Ducks are losers this year", Ohio State and Alabama have been losers for multiple years.

 

[kjironman1]

YOU said: "Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year."

Ohio State hasn't won a natty in 10 years and has frequently lost to Michigan lately.

Alabama has lost for the last 3ish years, mostly to Georgia.

So, as you said, "Ducks are losers this year", Ohio State and Alabama have been losers for multiple years.

Like I said.
I should not have said anything negative about the Ducks in a duck thread.
Obviously even more so after a tough loss.
People aren’t ready to discuss this at this point.

 

[Tince]

YOU said: "Brand only matters when you win. The Ducks are losers this year."

Ohio State hasn't won a natty in 10 years and has frequently lost to Michigan lately.

Alabama has lost for the last 3ish years, mostly to Georgia.

So, as you said, "Ducks are losers this year", Ohio State and Alabama have been losers for multiple years.

Very rational take.

I'm sure if Bama ends up winning this game, there will be folks on the Georgia boards freaking out about coaching, players, and the direction of the program. It's hard for some to tip their cap, say a team played well/better for a season, and not draw grand conclusions the other team(s) are total failures.

 

[kjironman1]

Nothing significant is happening with any programs "brand" in one conference championship game where a 12-0 or 11-1 team lose to each other It's silliness. When this game ends, both program will be viewed as elite national brands.

I didn’t bring up “Brands”. As far as I’m concerned brand means nothing.

 

[Predator]

Like I said.
I should not have said anything negative about the Ducks in a duck thread.
Obviously even more so after a tough loss.
People aren’t ready to discuss this at this point.

You didn't say just something negative though.

You said "Seems to me they will lose most of if not everything they built ... Now the Huskies are a different story. When players are asked who they want to play for on the west coast?"

You were then asked to justify why you say these pretty outlandish things. One game is going to "lose most of if not everything they built"? What's the justification for that?

What's the justification for saying players will want to play for the Huskies when Oregon has repeatedly out-recruited them significantly?

When we say WHY we doubt these things, you just "lol brand", when it's quite clear that Oregon is where it is because of brand -- whether you want to accept it or not.

 

[kjironman1]

Very rational take.

I'm sure if Bama ends up winning this game, there will be folks on the Georgia boards freaking out about coaching, players, and the direction of the program. It's hard for some to tip their cap, say a team played well/better for a season, and not draw grand conclusions the other team(s) are total failures.

On the flip side of that if Alabama wins and gets into the playoffs then wins another title what do people around that team say?
Would there be a chance for another meeting between these two teams in the championship? That’s an NCAA “Brand” dream scenario.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

True. UGA could get dropped to 5, but if they don't, I think UW gets in over FSU.

Hmm... just saw that Texas won the big12 to finish 12-1, including a win over Alabama. How crappy would it be for them to get left out of the playoff in favor of a team they beat that finished with the same record.

 

[Predator]

Very rational take.

I'm sure if Bama ends up winning this game, there will be folks on the Georgia boards freaking out about coaching, players, and the direction of the program. It's hard for some to tip their cap, say a team played well/better for a season, and not draw grand conclusions the other team(s) are total failures.

I'm sure they'll be saying "We're going to lose most of, if not everything, we've built!"

 

[kjironman1]

You didn't say just something negative though.

You said "Seems to me they will lose most of if not everything they built ... Now the Huskies are a different story. When players are asked who they want to play for on the west coast?"

You were then asked to justify why you say these pretty outlandish things. One game is going to "lose most of if not everything they built"? What's the justification for that?

What's the justification for saying players will want to play for the Huskies when Oregon has repeatedly out-recruited them significantly?

When we say WHY we doubt these things, you just "lol brand", when it's quite clear that Oregon is where it is because of brand -- whether you want to accept it or not.

You’re joking right? This is comedy?
The Ducks have won nothing! Nothing at all.
They continue to beat bad teams and build up a season to lose again every single year.
You must see this right? The Ducks have won nothing. You are trying to compare them to teams that have multiple national championships. They are not in that class. Sadly they will go now the the B1G and have to actually earn their ranking. Too bad they couldn’t win just one big game this year.

 

[Predator]

You’re joking right? This is comedy?
The Ducks have won nothing! Nothing at all.
They continue to beat bad teams and build up a season to lose again every single year.
You must see this right? The Ducks have won nothing. You are trying to compare them to teams that have multiple national championships. They are not in that class. Sadly they will go now the the B1G and have to actually earn their ranking. Too bad they couldn’t win just one big game this year.

So to be clear --

Do you think Washington is going to start to out-recruit Oregon?

AND

Do you think Oregon is going to become an irrelevant team?

SIMPLE - YES OR NO?

 

[kjironman1]

So to be clear --

Do you think Washington is going to start to out-recruit Oregon?

AND

Do you think Oregon is going to become an irrelevant team?

SIMPLE - YES OR NO?

Again. It’s obviously way too early to bring up anything negative about the Ducks.
It was in poor taste on my part.
I will stop here because obviously many are just not ready to discuss this.
I’ll take my leave from this conversation.

 

[wizenheimer]

Again. It’s obviously way too early to bring up anything negative about the Ducks.
It was in poor taste on my part.
I will stop here because obviously many are just not ready to discuss this.
I’ll take my leave from this conversation.

people are more than willing to discuss this. But when you start out with such an extremely nonsensical take on the situation, there can be no real discussion until you move away from that, especially when you hide behind it's "too soon"..as if a couple of days would make a difference and allow us to see your side of things and say "yeah, that makes sense"...LOL.

your 'it's doom and gloom for Oregon....they are losers now and headed for the abyss', is complete and utter horseshit...no point in debating the texture of the horseshit

 

[Hoopguru]

Its not just if you have brand, its how much brand equity you have. As long as Nike is associated with The Ducks they’ll have significant brand equity.

 

[beast blazer]

If Alabama goes on to beat Washington, it means Oregon would have not necessarily made the playoffs anyway.

Do you leave out 1 loss Georgia and 1 loss Alabama who just beat them over the Ducks? I think not. I'm not even sure if Washington gets in. If FSU dominates their game, it gets even more interesting.

Washington looks like the weakest of the bunch to me.