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wizenheimer said:
for sure it's a juggling act

clearly though, by far the most important position in college football is QB. A team can't become elite without high quality QB performance. So, it's pretty easy to justify a sizable chunk of the NIL budget going to a proven, quality QB. The other side of that is that NIL and the transfer portal has completely changed how teams, especially good teams, base their decisions on filling their QB units. There will be really good QB's entering the portal every year (and keep in mind there are two portals; one in December and one in the spring). I'm not sure if teams will be patient any more in developing young players that don't perform well, and show a lot, right away. And by perform well, I mean the ability to read defenses, go thru progressions, and minimize mistakes

UCLA decided it couldn't afford more than about 3-4 games with Dante Moore as the starter, so they benched him and now Moore is in the portal

a program having a 4-year starter at QB, like Justin Herbert, is going to be extremely rare going forward
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from the Athletic:

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I'm not sure if the Day 1 numbers + the other 29 days of the portal will track last season. But if there was a 44% increase in day 1 entries, it's notable that over 2100 players entered last year's portal. If it tracks, that could mean nearly 3000 players entering this December....yeeeeesh
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anyway, we know the big NIL bucks are headed to QB's. It would be interesting to know what positions after QB are the best paid:

* I'm assuming WR's are a little higher on the food chain than RB's

* OT's, especially LT's and maybe C's might be as valuable as WR's. For left-handed QB's (like Dillon Gabriel), RT's might be critical

* my guess is that elite edge rushers and CB's might be competing for the 2nd most NIL money. Oregon played it's best this season when Dorlus and Burch were on the edges while Khyree Jackson and Jahlil Florence were healthy at the corners. In the CCG, Burch only played half of the first Q, Florence didn't even travel, and Jackson was hobbled
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Agree QB will easily be the highest weighted position if you look at dollars spent for only one player on the field. The value of a great starting QB is huge.

My question, is how much value does a backup QB have. For example, what would win Oregon more games:
  1. A backup QB making $1m - the value is he could come in with less of dip that most backups and might produce into a better QB in the future.
  2. An very good starting DL + DB + WR making a combined $1m.
I would lean towards option #2 being the better use of resources.
 
Tince said:
Agree QB will easily be the highest weighted position if you look at dollars spent for only one player on the field. The value of a great starting QB is huge.

My question, is how much value does a backup QB have. For example, what would win Oregon more games:
  1. A backup QB making $1m - the value is he could come in with less of dip that most backups and might produce into a better QB in the future.
  2. An very good starting DL + DB + WR making a combined $1m.
I would lean towards option #2 being the better use of resources.
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What are the rules for how NIL is gathered?

I’d create a ducks website with potential free agents and fans can donate to specific player NIL funds lol
 
Natebishop3 said:
What are the rules for how NIL is gathered?

I’d create a ducks website with potential free agents and fans can donate to specific player NIL funds lol
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Division Street is the one that gets all the big players. Ducks Rising is a separately ran, supplementary NIL that supports football and baseball.

The best thing any Duck fan could do is donate to those because they've already got the back-channels dialed in.
 
wizenheimer said:
for sure it's a juggling act

clearly though, by far the most important position in college football is QB. A team can't become elite without high quality QB performance. So, it's pretty easy to justify a sizable chunk of the NIL budget going to a proven, quality QB. The other side of that is that NIL and the transfer portal has completely changed how teams, especially good teams, base their decisions on filling their QB units. There will be really good QB's entering the portal every year (and keep in mind there are two portals; one in December and one in the spring). I'm not sure if teams will be patient any more in developing young players that don't perform well, and show a lot, right away. And by perform well, I mean the ability to read defenses, go thru progressions, and minimize mistakes

UCLA decided it couldn't afford more than about 3-4 games with Dante Moore as the starter, so they benched him and now Moore is in the portal

a program having a 4-year starter at QB, like Justin Herbert, is going to be extremely rare going forward
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from the Athletic:

View attachment 60213

I'm not sure if the Day 1 numbers + the other 29 days of the portal will track last season. But if there was a 44% increase in day 1 entries, it's notable that over 2100 players entered last year's portal. If it tracks, that could mean nearly 3000 players entering this December....yeeeeesh
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anyway, we know the big NIL bucks are headed to QB's. It would be interesting to know what positions after QB are the best paid:

* I'm assuming WR's are a little higher on the food chain than RB's

* OT's, especially LT's and maybe C's might be as valuable as WR's. For left-handed QB's (like Dillon Gabriel), RT's might be critical

* my guess is that elite edge rushers and CB's might be competing for the 2nd most NIL money. Oregon played its best this season when Dorlus and Burch were on the edges while Khyree Jackson and Jahlil Florence were healthy at the corners. In the CCG, Burch only played half of the first Q, Florence didn't even travel, and Jackson was hobbled
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I think nil is (on avg)

QB
DE
OT
DT
C/OL
LB
CB
WR
RB

Mainly because it’s easier to put a young player in at WR/RB/CB than those other places that really need weight room development.

A truly elite, elite level corner or wr is probably above DT. I don’t see them making elite OT or DE money
 
Natebishop3 said:
The second one. At least that’s what they think.
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Only one of them is being pushed off the team. If Gabriel was really that irreplaceable would they have told them this is Jackson Arnold’s team now?

Or is Jackson that good?
 
Predator said:
I think nil is (on avg)

QB
DE
OT
DT
C/OL
LB
CB
WR
RB

Mainly because it’s easier to put a young player in at WR/RB/CB than those other places that really need weight room development.

A truly elite, elite level corner or wr is probably above DT. I don’t see them making elite OT or DE money
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I agree with the big fellas being in super high demand. That's why Oregon's strategy of hitting the trenches hard out of high school makes a ton of sense to me.
 
Think the Rob & Phil are pissed or concerned that Lanning has lost all big games to UW, especially with this with so much on the line?
 
Hoopguru said:
Think the Rob & Phil are pissed or concerned that Lanning has lost all big games to UW, especially with this with so much on the line?
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Not really, Lanning is using NIL to fill out the team he inherited, we've yet to see the team he is building. He's recruiting at a higher level than Mario.

I think Rob and Phil see a bright future.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Not really, Lanning is using NIL to fill out the team he inherited, we've yet to see the team he is building. He's recruiting at a higher level than Mario.

I think Rob and Phil see a bright future.
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He seems a class act and is winning at a higher level then Mario too. I may not like the state of college football at all, but things are trending up overall for Oregon. I hope Dan is their coach for a long time

STOMP
 
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kjironman1 said:
You can't really argue against the points made. OSU made their bed.
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Beaver fans are understandably upset with how things have shaken out. After decades of sucking, that the football program was finally starting to compete makes the new reality especially tough. They're going through the stages of loss now which of course includes lashing out/blaming others & as always the Canzano is Johnny on the spot to capitalize on their grief via clicks spinning how it's all their hated rival's fault. Eventually acceptance will set in and the actual villains (Conference leaders, USC & their own failure to do what was necessary to compete over the years) will rightfully be blamed, but at the end of the day this sucks for all NW college football fans.

STOMP
 
Haakzilla said:
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If the 12-team were this year, the seeding would be completely different. Since they wouldn't have had to arbitrarily monkey with in order to shoehorn Bama into the top 4, FSU would have been 3rd, Texas would be 4 and Bama would be 5, setting up a Bama-Texas rematch in the second round.
 
HailBlazers said:
Sucks the ducks are too scared to play in the Civil War anymore.
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wizenheimer said:
I've said before that I don't have anywhere near the connections to the UofO I used to have back in the Bellotti days, and even for a bit in the Chip days. A couple of people I knew have departed this life. Another actually retired to Pago Pago...true story

but I do have an occasional conversation with a couple of people who know a little about the thinking in Eugene

when UofO people said they wanted to continue the Civil War, part of it was sincere, but a large part of it was PR to try and take the sting out of the situation (if you noticed, that was said in the first 2 or 3 days after the move was announced and it generally been radio silence from Eugene about the CW since)) I've been told that the AD knew that continuing the CW, especially an annual home-and-home series, was going to be next to impossible to pull off with the demands of Big-10 scheduling and the reality of Power-5 OOC schedules

still, there was a little sentiment at the UofO to try and keep some form of it going.

But all that was before the idiotic tsunami of bile and venom that OSU administrators, OSU alums in the legislature, and OSU fans have sprayed at the UofO in the last two months. They've been blaming the UofO for the collapse of the PAC when anybody with a functioning brain can see the lie in that. But the capper was that insane legislative hearing last week when the OSU president kept whining about how the UofO was responsible for OSU's budget issues. She actually said the UofO should pay for the 40M hole in OSU's AD budget; and even suggested that the UofO should pay the full bill for OSU's 10.4M budget for athletic scholarships...for how many years she didn't say, maybe because she finally realized how idiotic she sounded

what she didn't deal with, was that OSU's desire for the UofO to be in the same boat...a Pac-3...because apparently that's what would be 'fair'...well, if that were the case OSU would still have the same 40M hole in their athletic budget. In other words, that 40M hole would still be there if Oregon was in the BIG or the Pac-3. Meaning, it's not Oregon's fault

I'm told that pathetic attempt to play the victim in front of the legislature and blame Oregon has royally pissed off the movers and shakers at the UofO, including Phil Knight. And before OSU went ballistic at the UofO PK was rumored to be pretty sympathetic. But apparently he's pivoted to some real anger at what OSU has been saying and he's all out of sympathy
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wizenheimer said:
and, speaking of Oregon keeping the Civil War going, it won't happen next year and Oregon's OOC schedule has been set for the next few years:

the Ducks are not going to cancel home-and-home pairings with Ok State, Boise St, and Baylor. And likely not with Utah State. And I don't think Oregon will be eager to schedule a trap game OOC with OSU when it would be their Super Bowl, and they would spend all summer preparing tor Oregon while Oregon was preparing for the Big-10 schedule

no Power-5 team with designs on a Big-10 championship is going to schedule two or three difficult games in their OOC schedule. I'm thinking the earliest opening might be 2027
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Oregon made a lot of efforts to get this game scheduled. Despite playing in Corvallis, they'll still have 7 home games, which has been fairly standard for many years.
 
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Tince said:
Oregon made a lot of efforts to get this game scheduled. Despite playing in Corvallis, they'll still have 7 home games, which has been fairly standard for many years.
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How much are they paying the Ducks to play them?

They're paying all their Mountain West opponents a million dollars each. Ducks should get at least $2 or 3 million.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, I think so

it's too bad because he seems like a really quality young man and he really likes it at Oregon. But I just don't see starting material there
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Why not? This has been one of the shittiest narratives I have ever seen about a player. He has one of the best arms in the country and has a perfect build for the position. He looked really shaky in his prior experiences, but this year in extensive playing time for a back up, he actually performed quite well with a very limited playbook. His stats this year were great. He made a number of great throws. Nothing you could say about his performance this season would suggest that "he doesn't have it". Your opinion actually really pisses me off. Don't take it personally, you are not alone. It's just stupid.
 
wizenheimer said:
comparing Gabriel to Ward:

Gabriel certainly put up better numbers on much better efficiency:

for passing...

Ward:

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Ward:

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I haven't heard anything from my 'source' about how Oregon views Gabriel vs Ward. I do know that the Duck coaches really liked that Bo Nix played all the snaps he did with a minimum of mistakes. QB mistakes can really kill a team, much like Ward's mistakes against Oregon last season killed the Cougars

my hunches:

* Oregon has Gabriel as the #1 want; Ward may not even be 2nd or 3rd

* Oregon has weighted Gabriel's 4.8 TD/Int ratio vs Ward at 3.0 and found Ward wanting

* I think there's some significant hidden meaning in the rushing numbers. Ward has been sacked, a lot. Now, one way to look at it is he had worse OLines and he was trying to make plays. But another way to look at it is that Ward was too slow in completing his reads and ended with indecision, causing many of those sacks. Meanwhile Gabriel moved quicker thru his progressions and was more decisive in either running or throwing the ball away and living to play another down

when Ward was on he played at an elite level. When he wasn't he was often awful. And when he went into awful mode it wasn't for 2 or 3 quarters, it was for 2 or 3 or 4 games
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I hate these transfer/covid rules. Imagine waiting your turn in a program just to have some player with 4+ years of service at two others school be given the same opportunity as you(when he SHOULD be out of eligibility and ineligible to play because of transfer rules). I hate this new system. It will be better when the COVID players are flushed out, but it's fucking ridiculous.
 
Paine Tablet said:
Why not? This has been one of the shittiest narratives I have ever seen about a player. He has one of the best arms in the country and has a perfect build for the position. He looked really shaky in his prior experiences, but this year in extensive playing time for a back up, he actually performed quite well with a very limited playbook. His stats this year were great. He made a number of great throws. Nothing you could say about his performance this season would suggest that "he doesn't have it". Your opinion actually really pisses me off. Don't take it personally, you are not alone. It's just stupid.
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LOL...yeah, I'm sure you have a better handle on Ty's actual talent and readiness to be the starter than the Oregon coaching staff. They have watched Ty for 2 years and their reaction is that they want Gabriel with the 2nd choice being Ward....and maybe Dante Moore if they can swing it
 
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