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Driew said:
How much did we give him? Is there a cap to how much schools can offer players?
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The only real rule is the school can't offer the players any money.

But what is happening is that NIL collectives are taking money that would normally go to the school (or previously for under-the-table payments) and paying players. Big time collectives are probably paying around $10m/year to players.
 
Tince said:
Nolen appears to be an Ole Miss lean at the moment, but Oregon is obviously in the running.
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I've read both sides feel good about their chances though OM is being more public. We shall see

Other stuff... Oregon is expected to land the commitment of NT Jericho Johnson adding to easily the highest ranked DLine class they've ever had. They are also thought to be the landing spot for transfer portal NT Derrick Harmon. Wednesday should be fun!

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/jericho-johnson-297782?view=pv

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/derrick-harmon-240214?view=cv

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
I've read both sides feel good about their chances though OM is being more public. We shall see

Other stuff... Oregon is expected to land the commitment of NT Jericho Johnson adding to easily the highest ranked DLine class they've ever had. They are also thought to be the landing spot for transfer portal NT Derrick Harmon. Wednesday should be fun!

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/jericho-johnson-297782?view=pv

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/derrick-harmon-240214?view=cv

STOMP
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Which would make back to back loaded classes on the defensive front. Stacking classes together is where programs can really do damage!

Offensive class is looking pretty weak all things considering, but I'm not worried.
 
STOMP said:
So according to rivals portal rankings, the Ducks have landed the #3 and #6 best overall players and are thought to be the likely destination for the #1 & #8

https://n.rivals.com/transfer_tracker/football/2024

STOMP
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On top of Nolen being an Ole Miss lean, all the recent reporting has Cayden Green as a Missouri lean. Looks like Oregon is likely to miss out on #1/#8 on this list... though things can change quickly!
 
Tince said:
On top of Nolen being an Ole Miss lean, all the recent reporting has Cayden Green as a Missouri lean. Looks like Oregon is likely to miss out on #1/#8 on this list... though things can change quickly!
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rumors are: Ducks would like to add Green but were more interested in Mathew Bedford, from Indiana. He is a more expereinced and versatile OLineman. He's started all over the OLine except for C. That might have a lot of value with a left-handed QB like Gabriel

I think Nolen is going to Ole Miss. And I think Green will go to Missouri

I anticipate a flip or two away from Oregon with the HS class. NLI day is Wednesday. WR Dillon Gresham may flip. And it might be hard to hang on the QB Luke Moga with the Gabriel/Moore additions. The committed class is just loaded with defensive players. Quite a reversal from the Chip Kelly years. And it's clear that Lanning prioritzes the trenches and winning the line of scrimmage

edit...just saw on On3 that A&M is back into the running for Nolen to remain and Aggie. If that's true, pretty clear the guy is leveraging, or trying to, the biggest bag he can get. I think visiting Oregon was getting the starting point offer
 
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Phatguysrule said:
School boosters can pay players as much as they want right now.

There are no restrictions on player movement year to year.

What part of becoming like the NFL will be worse for college football?
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I think the transfer portal and NIL are good things that were decades delayed

I think re-alignment is not so good, but inevitable

the big problem is that college sports, mainly football and basketball, don't have an anti-trust exemption; accordingly, no CBA

imagine the NBA with no restrictions on player movement, no draft or age limit, no impediments to super-teams in big markets, no salary cap, no power at all in the league office, but with each team required by federal law to spend an equal amount of salary on women's teams
 
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Phatguysrule said:
School boosters can pay players as much as they want right now.

There are no restrictions on player movement year to year.

What part of becoming like the NFL will be worse for college football?
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Who said it would be worse? There are a lot of details that can, in the end, make it better or worse, depending on the decisions of those details.
I was simply pointing out that this isn’t a brand new idea chip has. It is already established and there is already a model to follow if they wanted to go that way.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think the transfer portal and NIL are good things that were decades delayed

I think re-alignment is not so good, but inevitable

the big problem is that college sports, mainly football and basketball, don't have an anti-trust exemption; accordingly, no CBA

imagine the NBA with no restrictions on player movement, no draft or age limit, no impediments to super-teams in big markets, no salary cap, no power at all in the league office, but with each team required by federal law to spend an equal amount of salary on women's teams
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Exactly. Some of the details I touched on above.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think the transfer portal and NIL are good things that were decades delayed

I think re-alignment is not so good, but inevitable

the big problem is that college sports, mainly football and basketball, don't have an anti-trust exemption; accordingly, no CBA

imagine the NBA with no restrictions on player movement, no draft or age limit, no impediments to super-teams in big markets, no salary cap, no power at all in the league office, but with each team required by federal law to spend an equal amount of salary on women's teams
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Well, if it were more like a sports league you could possibly gain the same powers as a sports league.

Seems like a worthy goal.

But if you want to cut out funding for women's sports you'd have to disassociate from the college entirely I'd think.

To me, this move and keeping associated with schools sounds better than the current situation. Keeping historical rivals while hopefully correcting the elimination of the conference realignment BS.
 
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
Who said it would be worse? There are a lot of details that can, in the end, make it better or worse, depending on the decisions of those details.
I was simply pointing out that this isn’t a brand new idea chip has. It is already established and there is already a model to follow if they wanted to go that way.
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Right, so again, that's why I asked what's the difference.

Not sure what point you were trying to make.

It solves the most important problems, IMO.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well, if it were more like a sports league you could possibly gain the same powers as a sports league.

Seems like a worthy goal.
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sports leagues like the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL all have an anti-trust exemption that allows them to collectively negotiate deals at the same time the players are unionized

To get 70-80 major schools on the same page in order to apply for the exemption, and then to get all the student athletes to vote to form and join a union just seems impossible, especially considering the short-term nature of athletes' college careers.

and to legally separate football programs from the Universities seems impossible. Who owns the stadium and practice facility? What kind of lease agreements would meet the legal requirement for separation? I'd think any move in that direction would be challenged under Title IX and likely blocked
 
Phatguysrule said:
Right, so again, that's why I asked what's the difference.

Not sure what point you were trying to make.

It solves the most important problems, IMO.
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Why is everything an argument my man?

I didn’t quote anyone. I told you what my point was. That this isn’t some new idea is all. You’ve completely turned my statement into something else.
You asked what the differences were and there are quite a bit currently, which I stated.
I then went ahead and touched upon the better or worse topic that you turned my post into and said it could be either, based on decisions of the details, some of which Wiesen touched upon.
This isn’t a, you are right and I’m wrong, discussion. Why you need to make it that is beyond me…

I simply pointed out that this isn’t a groundbreaking idea chip has, as it seems is being spun by some.

So not sure what your point, or question is?
The ones you asked have been answered now a couple times?
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Why is everything an argument my man?

I didn’t quote anyone. I told you what my point was. That this isn’t some new idea is all. You’ve completely turned my statement into something else.
You asked what the differences were and there are quite a bit currently, which I stated.
I then went ahead and touched upon the better or worse topic that you turned my post into and said it could be either, based on decisions of the details, some of which Wiesen touched upon.
This isn’t a, you are right and I’m wrong, discussion. Why you need to make it that is beyond me…

I simply pointed out that this isn’t a groundbreaking idea chip has, as it seems is being spun by some.

So not sure what your point, or question is?
The ones you asked have been answered now a couple times?
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Excellent. I didn't suggest it was a new idea. I said I agreed with it.

Appreciate your feedback.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Excellent. I didn't suggest it was a new idea. I said I agreed with it.

Appreciate your feedback.
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who said you suggested this is a new idea?

did I quote you or point some specific statement out?

when I say being touted by some, I meant the media…
If I was addressing you, I would have addressed you.
You are welcome for the feedback.
 
wizenheimer said:
sports leagues like the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL all have an anti-trust exemption that allows them to collectively negotiate deals at the same time the players are unionized

To get 70-80 major schools on the same page in order to apply for the exemption, and then to get all the student athletes to vote to form and join a union just seems impossible, especially considering the short-term nature of athletes' college careers.

and to legally separate football programs from the Universities seems impossible. Who owns the stadium and practice facility? What kind of lease agreements would meet the legal requirement for separation? I'd think any move in that direction would be challenged under Title IX and likely blocked
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Agreed. But nobody thought a 12 team playoff was possible a decade ago either.

I'm not for separation of football and colleges. I think you keep it to help fund Title IX, which IMO is critically important for American society and football and basketball are fantastic mechanisms to fund it.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
who said you suggested this is a new idea?

did I quote you or point some specific statement out?

when I say being touted by some, I meant the media…
If I was addressing you, I would have addressed you.
You are welcome for the feedback.
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You've quoted me several times. Your responses were very helpful. Thanks.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
only because you quoted me first, as if I had directed my original post towards you?

sigh… round and round… lol.
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Yes, it's almost like I had a question in response to your post, so I quoted you asking for clarification.

Then you replied with a non-answer, after which you wondered why you were dismissed.

Crazy how that works...

Anyway, I appreciate your contribution to the conversation. Which was... Hmmm... not sure what you contributed...

But great effort!
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Yes, it's almost like I had a question in response to your post, so I quoted you asking for clarification.

Then you replied with a non-answer, after which you wondered why you were dismissed.

Crazy how that works...

Anyway, I appreciate your contribution to the conversation. Which was... Hmmm... not sure what you contributed...

But great effort!
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yes and your first question implied I said something I didn’t. So it was a bizarre question from the get go.

Why you love to spin circles and then talk down to those who don’t play your game is beyond me.
Why you can’t just take a statement for what it is without having to twist it into “your conversation” is beyond me.
You just love to argue, spin people’s words around and then talk down to them when they correct you on their original statement, you spin into some argument so you can feel better than thou? I dunno…
It’s humorous though.
Carry on…jebuz…
Stepping out of this. Can’t make a statement on its own without dude having an issue and demeaning my “contribution”…

wtf. Lol.
 
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