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wow...pretty low point for the Beavs...they got shut out by 3-7 Air Force
 
Beavers need to fire their AD now.

Yes, it sucks what happened to the Pac-12 but becoming its self-appointed savior isn't doing anyone any good.

Beavers play that schedule and can't even get bowl eligible?!?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Beavers need to fire their AD now.

Yes, it sucks what happened to the Pac-12 but becoming its self-appointed savior isn't doing anyone any good.

Beavers play that schedule and can't even get bowl eligible?!?
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I don't know how anybody can blame Smith. He saw this coming. There was no reason for him to go down with the program when he had a much better opportunity.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't know how anybody can blame Smith. He saw this coming. There was no reason for him to go down with the program when he had a much better opportunity.
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Nobody was mad that Smith left... It was things such as not practicing and not doing other coaching duties while he was still the coach.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Beavers need to fire their AD now.

Yes, it sucks what happened to the Pac-12 but becoming its self-appointed savior isn't doing anyone any good.

Beavers play that schedule and can't even get bowl eligible?!?
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Did the AD have any responsibility for the conference falling apart and all the players that left OSU? I'm honestly not sure. OSU needs to be smart and hire better people where it makes sense.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Nobody was mad that Smith left... It was things such as not practicing and not doing other coaching duties while he was still the coach.
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That I would understand. I thought he'd done a great job. Didn't know about the not practicing, etc.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Did the AD have any responsibility for the conference falling apart and all the players that left OSU? I'm honestly not sure. OSU needs to be smart and hire better people where it makes sense.
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IMO the Beavers's goal should have been:

Football - get to a bowl game.
Mens & Womens basketball - get into the tournament.
Baseball - College World Series.

You do that, you will be welcomed into the Big 12 or Big 10.

Big 12 teams currently get $40 million each.

Mountain West currently gets $5 million each.

Maybe, maybe this new Pac 12 will get $10 million each.

If OSU and WSU lose the lawsuit against the MW over the poaching penalty then what? Money that OSU could have used to buyout Tinkle, to make a big splash in baseball NIL will go to pay schools to come to the Pac 12.

Beavers have played in a bowl game the last 3 seasons. First year playing against the MW and we don't make a bowl game?!? Not acceptable.
 

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[Woods] WSU coach Jake Dickert on playing Oregon State this weekend: “I’ve never gotten into ‘they’re our buddy.’ Oregon State is not our buddy. They would have left us as fast as we would have left them.”
 
SlyPokerDog said:
IMO the Beavers's goal should have been:

Football - get to a bowl game.
Mens & Womens basketball - get into the tournament.
Baseball - College World Series.

You do that, you will be welcomed into the Big 12 or Big 10.
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No, the Beavers are not and never were close to being on the Big10 radar, zero chance they would've been considered regardless of those items you list or even if they did much better.

The Big12 would've been extremely unlikely to consider them even with all of the above too. The #1 #2 #3 factors the conference wants are all TV market, the Beavers just don't have that pull. Also the Big12 travel would've been a significant issue, they are pretty far from any other B12 school to be added on their own. If there was enough pull or multiple teams yes the conference would consider it just as other conferences have done, but the Beavers don't have that pull.

WSU might do much better than getting to a bowl game in football and we've heard zero noise about them getting a B12 invite. Its just was never realistic option to aim for with either school.

Trying to rebuild the Pac12 as best they can long term was the clear best move. Kind of sucks losing so much of that cash to the MWC buyouts - but that is a one time cost so I can see where WSU/OSU just said screw it lets do whatever we can to make the Pac12 as strong as we can long term.

Of course in football the Beavs would've much preferred to do better and get to a bowl game. When most of the players and the head coach left that was always going to be a challenge. Unfortunately its gone much worse than hoped or expected.

The AD needs to setup a good structure for the program to succeed 3-5+ years from now. Coaches and players drive what happens the next season much more than the AD.
 
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ehizzy3 said:
Clemons is a beast
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He is. But unfortunately it took us until the last game of the season to throw the ball his way more!! He’ll probably transfer. I don’t blame him. Our QB situation is garbage. Nobody to get him the ball.

Terry is a beast as well.
 
Wazzu's football program is about to go down the drain now. Their OC along with their star quarterback, John Mateer, is headed to Oklahoma. Their QB coach is gone. Their DC got fired. Currently, there's around 20 players in the transfer portal. As of this morning their head coach is leaving for Wake Forest. And they still have their Holiday Bowl game against Syracuse coming up.
 
tlongII said:
Wazzu's football program is about to go down the drain now. Their OC along with their star quarterback, John Mateer, is headed to Oklahoma. Their QB coach is gone. Their DC got fired. Currently, there's around 20 players in the transfer portal. As of this morning their head coach is leaving for Wake Forest. And they still have their Holiday Bowl game against Syracuse coming up.
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Wow. Wake Forest is considered an upgrade over WSU?!?
 
tlongII said:
Wazzu's football program is about to go down the drain now. Their OC along with their star quarterback, John Mateer, is headed to Oklahoma. Their QB coach is gone. Their DC got fired. Currently, there's around 20 players in the transfer portal. As of this morning their head coach is leaving for Wake Forest. And they still have their Holiday Bowl game against Syracuse coming up.
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Kind of seems like what the Beavers went through but for some reason it was a year later in Wazzu.

I guess the hope for the conference right now is that Boise St makes a run in the CFP.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Wow. Wake Forest is considered an upgrade over WSU?!?
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well, the Pac-X still isn't a legal FBS conference yet. They only have 7 FBS members and need 8. They were hoping for a couple of AAC schools but that ship sailed. They have taken too much of an adversarial stance with what's left of the MWC, and have followed up with a lawsuit to try and wriggle out of the contract they signed. Which also means they have developed a reputation as an overly litigiousness organization

the landscape of options has pretty much dwindled down to Texas State (unless they can convince UTEP to back out of it's pledge to join the MWC). But Texas State has made a lot of noise about committing to staying in the Sun Belt conference. That may be negotiating 101 but like a lot of these schools, the travel costs of joining the Pac-X are extremely heavy compared to the media pay-outs. There was a rumor that Texas State was demanding the Pac-X pay a 20M buy-in with a guarantee of a partial annual coverage of travel costs. And UTEP would have demanded similar (that may explain the Pac's desperation, hail-mary lawsuit against the MWC as it would pretty much eat up all the settlement money OSU/WSU got from the 10 departing members)

bottom of the barrel options are New Mexico State or Sam Houston State

now Sacramento St. is a possibility, But they are currently an FCS school, and the rule is that the elevation from FCS to full FBS requires a 2-year probationary period. So Sac. State would not elevate the Pac at 8 FBS schools till 2027, at the earliest. And without an opportunity to be eligible for the FBS playoffs, it will be next to impossible for the Pac-X to even get a tentative media deal.

The MWC was willing to merge with the Pac-2, and do so under the PAC name. Just as long as the Pac-X accepted all of the MWC schools as full members. And doing that would have fit all the self-righteous rhetoric the Pac-2 spouted about the collapse of the Pac-12. AND, as a bonus, OSU/WSU could have kept all of the settlement money they were awarded. But no, OSU/WSU were better than that! The Pac-12's hubris is the main reason why it collapsed. And the hubris of OSU/WSU thinking they were superior to the MWC enough they could dictate terms may have painted themselves into a pretty bad corner.

so then, the WSU head coach has an opportunity to escape this mess and uncertainty and actually be a HC in one of the Power-4 conferences. Easy decision
 
wizenheimer said:
now Sacramento St. is a possibility, But they are currently an FCS school, and the rule is that the elevation from FCS to full FBS requires a 2-year probationary period. So Sac. State would not elevate the Pac at 8 FBS schools till 2027, at the earliest. And without an opportunity to be eligible for the FBS playoffs, it will be next to impossible for the Pac-X to even get a tentative media deal.
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Had not heard this before - interesting. So if the Pac had Sac State join for the 2025 season then it would only be the 2026 season they are still on probation. I guess I'm not sure what exactly the costs to the conference of one team being on probation would be.
 
wizenheimer said:
the landscape of options has pretty much dwindled down to Texas State (unless they can convince UTEP to back out of it's pledge to join the MWC). But Texas State has made a lot of noise about committing to staying in the Sun Belt conference. That may be negotiating 101 but like a lot of these schools, the travel costs of joining the Pac-X are extremely heavy compared to the media pay-outs. There was a rumor that Texas State was demanding the Pac-X pay a 20M buy-in with a guarantee of a partial annual coverage of travel costs. And UTEP would have demanded similar (that may explain the Pac's desperation, hail-mary lawsuit against the MWC as it would pretty much eat up all the settlement money OSU/WSU got from the 10 departing members)
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There isn't a chance of Texas State joining on its own to the Pac. There would need to be a number of much closer teams (UTSA, North Texas, etc) to even entertain that thought. They do want to move to a bigger conference eventually - but they have time and will be strategic in growing the program. The school has plenty of money and improvements coming either way so there is no rush. I live nearby and am on campus a lot and know a lot of staff personally.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Had not heard this before - interesting. So if the Pac had Sac State join for the 2025 season then it would only be the 2026 season they are still on probation. I guess I'm not sure what exactly the costs to the conference of one team being on probation would be.
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the cost is that the NCAA would not recognize the Pac-X as an FBS conference. Meaning they couldn't be eligible to participate in the playoffs or share in playoff revenue. And that would be true for 2 seasons, 2025 & 2026. That would be the case for all 7 programs. There might even be an escape clause for a program like Boise St. The MWC would probably welcome back Boise St. and San Diego St. Do you think Boise St. wants to be ineligible for the payofss then next 2 seasons?

that's not to say the Pac-X can't add Sac State. They may do that. But they really need to find that 8th member before next season, and it's pretty certain that any prospective member like Texas St or UTEP is leveraging their power vs the Pac's desperation.

I'd imagine the last thing the Pac-X wants to do is add scandal-plagued New Mexico St.. But they have become an option as just about all the other options have bailed
 
wizenheimer said:
the cost is that the NCAA would not recognize the Pac-X as an FBS conference. Meaning they couldn't be eligible to participate in the playoffs or share in playoff revenue. And that would be true for 2 seasons, 2025 & 2026. That would be the case for all 7 programs. There might even be an escape clause for a program like Boise St. The MWC would probably welcome back Boise St. and San Diego St. Do you think Boise St. wants to be ineligible for the payofss then next 2 seasons?

that's not to say the Pac-X can't add Sac State. They may do that. But they really need to find that 8th member before next season, and it's pretty certain that any prospective member like Texas St or UTEP is leveraging their power vs the Pac's desperation.

I'd imagine the last thing the Pac-X wants to do is add scandal-plagued New Mexico St.. But they have become an option as just about all the other options have bailed
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2025 (next year) the 5 MWC schools will not have joined but its the 2nd grace year of less than 8 schools.

So yeah seems like 2026 would be the problem. I wonder if the Pac can have NM St or another school temporarily for 1-2 years only? Maybe give them a huge payout and consideration to eventually be a full member.

Theres really no point to add Sac State if it doesn't help get the conference to 8 schools.
 
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