OT: All-Rookie teams announced

[Fez Hammersticks]

First Team:

Shumpert was joined by Cleveland's Kyrie Irving (Rookie of the Year), Minnesota's Ricky Rubio, Denver's Kenneth Faried, Golden State's Klay Thompson, San Antonio's Kawhi Leonard and Detroit's Brandon Knight (in order of most votes)

 

[Boise Blazer]

Say what you want but the true defintion of love is a Blazers fan that is willing to get kicked in the nuts over and over again waiting for good part. Or maybe thats the definition of insanity, i always get those two mixed up. Either way every time I see something like this I lose more and more hope for this team's management and I dont think I had a whole lot of hope to begin with. Oh well, good for Faried I suppose.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

This is why you always take the BPA.

 

[Boise Blazer]

This is why you always take the BPA.

QFT. Period.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Why isn't Nolan Smith on this list? Must be a typo ...

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Player A:
21.9 PER | 103 DRtg | 4.6 WS | PER36: 16.4 PPG 12.2 RPG

Player B:
7.8 PER | 109 DRtg | -0.3 WS | PER36: 11.1 PPG 4.1 APG

 

[Mediocre Man]

This is why you always take the BPA.

Also why there is a huge need for a real GM

 

[PapaG]

First Team:

Shumpert was joined by Cleveland's Kyrie Irving (Rookie of the Year), Minnesota's Ricky Rubio, Denver's Kenneth Faried, Golden State's Klay Thompson, San Antonio's Kawhi Leonard and Detroit's Brandon Knight (in order of most votes)

That's a really shitty rookie first team. Worst in my memory. Two Top 10 picks from this draft, right?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I disagree...

Irving was a monster and Rubio ran the Wolves like a seasoned vet -- they absolutely fell apart when he went down with his injury.

Faried was a double-double machine and more than held his own against bigs much taller than himself. I think he's the next Ben Wallace.

 

[craigehlo]

Also why there is a huge need for a real GM

Or scouts that can actually evaluate talent.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Or scouts that can actually evaluate talent.

I've been driving the FIRE CHAD BUCHANAN bandwagon since last June. That draft was totally unacceptable.

 

[RoyToy]

Still waiting for the day when people realize the trade was never Faried for Nolan

Until then...

 

[PapaG]

I disagree...

Irving was a monster and Rubio ran the Wolves like a seasoned vet -- they absolutely fell apart when he went down with his injury.

Faried was a double-double machine and more than held his own against bigs much taller than himself. I think he's the next Ben Wallace.

Rubio had a PER of 14.6 and shot 36% from the field, with 25% the 10 games before he was out for the year.

 

[KingSpeed]

Why isn't Nolan Smith on this list? Must be a typo ...

Hahahahahahaha!

 

[Blaze01]

Still waiting for the day when people realize the trade was never Faried for Nolan

Until then...

Do tell....

 

[oldmangrouch]

Still waiting for the day when people realize the trade was never Faried for Nolan

Until then...

Do tell....

Silly wabbit - we passed on Faried so we could have the chance to have Felton crap all over the locker-room. If we had taken Faried, Denver would have backed out of the deal and refused to trade their walking tumor for our PG!

Of course, if that is true it makes the decision even LESS justifiable....

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Jesus Fucking Christ. How long do we have to hear this one note repeated?
Funny how everything went quiet when Faried WASN'T PLAYING AT ALL until half of Denver's team went down with injuries.
Here's a bet for you: this is the high point of Faried's career. Yes, his numbers might improve slightly. But then he will slide into a journeyman role and bounce around the league. He is what he is. He plays hard, and he's not particularly skilled. He's a great rebounder who's a PF in a SF body. Unless you're Dennis Rodman (who could actually play amazing defense, which Faried has shown no sign of) that doesn't get you much in this league. He's a poor man's Shawn Marion.
Go back and look at all the all-rookie selections over the years. Here're some first-teamers (I'm not even going to bother with second-teamers, like JONNY FLYNN) over the years:
Darren Collison (now, who is it who keeps venting spleen about the idea that we pursue him?)
Tyreke Evans (RoTY - now being shopped by Sacramento)
Brook Lopez (the forgotten man, a center who rebounds less than some guards)
Michael Beasley (given away for cap room)
Al Thornton (who?)
Randy Foye
Jorge Garbajosa (actually a good choice, but didn't last long)
Charlie Villenueva
Channing Frye
Emeka Okafor
Ben Gordon
Kirk Hinrich
Drew Gooden
Marc Jackson
DARIUS MILES

I could go on. Note that Damon Stoudemire was RoTY while Kevin Garnett just made the second team. If I could be bothered I would go through and list players who didn't make either rookie team but were better than most who did, but I'll let somebody else do that. Call them the "All-Billups Team".

(NOTE: I'm not saying that Nolan Smith will be Chauncey Billups. (I predict a solid career on a good Italian team.) I'm not saying we made the right pick (the right pick was Mirotic). I'm just FUCKING SICK OF THE MOANING!)

 

[jlprk]

Nolan was a Nate pick. I wouldn't blame newbie Buchanan at all. Where is Isaiah Thomas on the Rookie team? He ranked 3rd among rookies in win shares.

 

[Blaze01]

You know I read people here and elsewhere mention that the Nolan over Faried pick was a Nate pick or that it was a required part of the DEN deal, and I call bullshit on both....

Where is the proof? This is all speculation...or regurgitated speculation....basically...bullshit....

and even if it wasn't what GM lets the coach override him on a 1st round pick? and do you really think that if Buchanan was in the room and said "No don't do that, Faried is better" and the the team went with Nate anyway, that they would NOT view him (Buchanan) later in a positive light as a full time GM candidate? ie Maybe we should have listened to the guy?

The fact is Buchanan's track record as a SCOUT and as a temporary GM are not good....HE is the head talent evaluator for college players is he not? He has been the temporary GM for the most part of the last 2 years, has he not? Should he not have the loudest voice in the room? This team has not drafted a relevant player (Batum) for its roster since 2008!

Claver in 2009, E-Will\Babbitt\Armon Johnson in 2010 and now Nolan Smith in 2011....Not one of those guys has been a meaningful contributor to this roster...three straight years, it is completely unacceptable...

The bottom line is that either he is a bad scout, or he has no BALLS to speak up and defend his analysis when it matters...or both....and for that reason he shouldn't even be remotely considered as a GM , and I question his ability as a scout...

You can't blame every pick on Allen & Nate...If that truly is the case (and I do not think it is), then why even bother having a GM or scouts?

Allen likes to be convinced, he likes to have his GM\scouts convince him on why they should go with one player over another....ie you need to have conviction, confidence and a set of balls....and I think this whole GM search shows that Buchanan has none of those qualities...

You now I wonder upon reflection if Allen wishes he had not fired Cho, who basically was a full year ahead on the realization of what needed to happen with this team.....Cho was right, this team needs a rebuild...a SIGNIFICANT rebuild and for telling (insisting?) on this being the course for the franchise he was shown the door....He had balls, and conviction, he just couldn't sell it.....

 

[craigehlo]

The bottom line is that either he is a bad scout, or he has no BALLS to speak up and defend his analysis when it matters...or both....and for that reason he shouldn't even be remotely considered as a GM , and I question his ability as a scout...

Well put. The buck stops with him and the simple fact is that our drafts lately have been atrocious. I don't care if PA or Nate like him, he needs to make his case and not back down.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The bottom line is that either he is a bad scout, or he has no BALLS to speak up and defend his analysis when it matters...or both....and for that reason he shouldn't even be remotely considered as a GM , and I question his ability as a scout...

The third option (which is no better) is that he correctly evaluated the players drafted, argued vociferously against them, and was simply voted down by an owner/management who doesn't respect him.

 

[jlprk]

Where is the proof? This is all speculation...or regurgitated speculation....basically...bullshit....

and even if it wasn't what GM lets the coach override him on a 1st round pick?

You really need proof that a coach who had been here 6 years and was under contract for 3 more was more powerful than a substitute pretending to temporarily play at being the GM, who had worn that silly GM hat that no one believed for about a week?

You ask how could he be overruled? How about because he was a little peanut masquerading as big bad McMillan's boss?

You really bought that Buchanan had the powers of a GM? Why would you think that?

 

[Blaze01]

You really need proof that a coach who had been here 6 years and was under contract for 3 more was more powerful than a substitute pretending to temporarily play at being the GM, who had worn that silly GM hat that no one believed for about a week?

You ask how could he be overruled? How about because he was a little peanut masquerading as big bad McMillan's boss?

You really bought that Buchanan had the powers of a GM? Why would you think that?

If that truly was the case then why wouldn't the "interim" tag already have been taken off? You don't think that Allen & co, would recognize the accuracy of his draft board\player rankings and even if they did overrule Buchanan they would at least acknowledge that he knew what he was talking about?

what about 2010? 2009? Did Buchanan get overruled then as well? Maybe Buchanan got his analysis wrong....SEVERAL tiems he has gotten it wrong in fact...

and letting Nate, a coach who doesn't even scout let alone pay attention to college basketball pick one player over another is beyond stupid...You have scouts for a reason, to correctly identify talented players...Buchanan has failed to do that..

and like I stated earlier, if he doesn't raise his have the conviction to state a case for why a player should be chosen, then he shouldn't be GM and you have to question him as a "head" scout as well....

Someone called on the radio today and made a great point, how is it that San Antonio with mostly picks in the lower half of drafts can consistently find players (or find free agent pickups) to fit thier system and POR scouts seemingly cannot?

This team cannot get a new GM and scouts soon enough IMO...and after that, you just hope they are better than what we have and not worse (Nash).

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Someone called on the radio today and made a great point, how is it that San Antonio with mostly picks in the lower half of drafts can consistently find players (or find free agent pickups) to fit thier system and POR scouts seemingly cannot?

You can't find players to fit a system when you don't have a system.

It helps that the coach is also the boss of the GM.